Hour of Test

I find what you are saying to be likened to a virus fighting against truth therefore I am selecting the ignore button If I was moderator I would bounce you. Bye Bye
Mick I think there is a huge misunderstand here. I think Carl agrees with you more than disagrees. It’s very important to pump the breaks and get more information before saying hurtful comments. Carl did not say that we on the forum teach an earlier resection he said Watchtower teaches that because they believe the resurrection started in 1914. It’s important to note that it’s hard to read a persons disposition thru a written comment. This how misunderstands start and feelings get hurt. Lets pump the breaks
 
Sir Mick, you seem a more agitated Mick then I remember you from past years on here. Perhaps the stress of Satan's world is bearing down on You. Perhaps a cold pint with Barnaby in town square might help. Carl is a beloved member here who is anything but a virus. It's very obvious by his posts and expressions he his a kind hearted, truth seeking soul aiming for righteousness before God. Time for a big hug from ya Mick :)


I find what you are saying to be likened to a virus fighting against truth therefore I am selecting the ignore button If I was moderator I would bounce you. Bye Bye
 
Mick I think there is a huge misunderstand here. I think Carl agrees with you more than disagrees. It’s very important to pump the breaks and get more information before saying hurtful comments. Carl did not say that we on the forum teach an earlier resection he said Watchtower teaches that because they believe the resurrection started in 1914. It’s important to note that it’s hard to read a persons disposition thru a written comment. This how misunderstands start and feelings get hurt. Lets pump the breaks
sister pump what you want but what I have written I have written. Rather than concentrate on the ruminations of those confused let's continue to keep on the watch.
 
Sir Mick, you seem a more agitated Mick then I remember you from past years on here. Perhaps the stress of Satan's world is bearing down on You. Perhaps a cold pint with Barnaby in town square might help. Carl is a beloved member here who is anything but a virus. It's very obvious by his posts and expressions he his a kind hearted, truth seeking soul aiming for righteousness before God. Time for a big hug from ya Mick :)
You give him a hug I'll hug the Christ. bye to you too
 
I find what you are saying to be likened to a virus fighting against truth therefore I am selecting the ignore button If I was moderator I would bounce you. Bye Bye
Mick, I think you may need a timeout, bro. If all that Islamo madness in jolly ole England has gotten to you, we understand, but please don't take it out on Carl. Thanks
 
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Mick, I think you may need a timeout, bro. If all that Islamo madness in Golly ole England has gotten to you, we understand, but please don't take it out on Carl. Thanks
I after being student here almost a decade have come to a watershed a catalyst in my understanding. The truth that has been extolled from here by who I believe as Jehovah's Watchman has refined not only my belief but understanding of the sacred secret of God so much so that to those who also have for a long time been undeservedly called here to be blessed with truth but continue to argue against it I can only employ the direction at 2John 10...Those who have not had time to assimilate the truths espoused by His Watchman I will extend patience as Jehovah and Christ have given me.
 
I after being student here almost a decade have come to a watershed a catalyst in my understanding. The truth that has been extolled from here by who I believe as Jehovah's Watchman has refined not only my belief but understanding of the sacred secret of God so much so that to those who also have for a long time been undeservedly called here to be blessed with truth but continue to argue against it I can only employ the direction at 2John 10...Those who have not had time to assimilate the truths espoused by His Watchman I will extend patience as Jehovah and Christ have given me.
Everyone is at a different stage.
 
Ok with your extended patience I will un ignore them God willing in two weeks.
I used to be like those performers who kept plates spinning on bamboo sticks that's what I used to do to keep ones here from stumbling trying to ease any hurt but lately I have said to myself 'just let the plates fall' it's not me that keeps them spinning it's themselves. God's word are the bamboo sticks
 
I have no idea what he meant… but the word hour stands out to me. The Hour of Test is 3 & 1/2 years as we all know. When Jesus said “the hour is now,” was he referring to his 1st 3 & 1/2 year ministry?
I really don’t know. It’s not possible to get the sense of these things. Essentially, that’s why I concentrate on what Christ plainly told us to do. It irritates me that there is so much he said that we do not get the sense of, but I can’t do anything about that. I guess that’s for the chosen ones to know. We have enough on our plate just tying to measure up to what we are certain of. When Christ said to those that claimed to have cast out demons in his name etc, to what was he referring to when he said ‘get away from me, I never knew you’? What did he not know from them? That is our focal point. What is necessary for us to demonstrate to be recognised by Christ? It’s not academic knowledge, or even good works primarily, but the fruits, understanding and then the demonstration of the attributes of Jehovah. Once we can express those good outcomes from the ruin age of the Spirit, then “all else will be added to you.” I think the road is narrow so that we do not overtake ourselves. 😀
 
I really don’t know. It’s not possible to get the sense of these things. Essentially, that’s why I concentrate on what Christ plainly told us to do. It irritates me that there is so much he said that we do not get the sense of, but I can’t do anything about that. I guess that’s for the chosen ones to know. We have enough on our plate just tying to measure up to what we are certain of. What did he not know from them? That is our focal point. What is necessary for us to demonstrate to be recognised by Christ? It’s not academic knowledge, or even good works primarily, but the fruits, understanding and then the demonstration of the attributes of Jehovah. Once we can express those good outcomes from the ruin age of the Spirit, then “all else will be added to you.” I think the road is narrow so that we do not overtake ourselves. 😀

Scriptures for thought.​

BARNABY Said 'When Christ said to those that claimed to have cast out demons in his name etc, to what was he referring to when he said ‘get away from me, I never knew you’? ​

Romans 2:13​

For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doersa of law will be declared righteous.b

Matthew​

23 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples,+ saying: “The scribes+ and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses.+ Therefore all the things they tell+ YOU, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds,+ for they say but do not perform.

BARNABY Said 'What is necessary for us to demonstrate to be recognized by Christ?
At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial,+ but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.

Acts 10:35​

Excerpt:
In the Bible, Acts 10:35 states, "but in every nation he that feareth Him and worketh righteousness is accepted by Him". This verse is interpreted to mean that people who fear God and do what is right are acceptable to Him, regardless of their race or nationality. The verse also implies that people who fear God will treat Him with worshipful obedience and live uprightly.
 
Everyone is at a different stage.
I (Phyllis) very much recognize I am still in an intermediate stage of learning and it's not an enviable place to be. We can't learn fast enough. I think most everyone knows we are on board and believe Watchman is being used by Jehovah. However, I/we still have questions concerning the intricacies of prophesy......for instance, how things all fit together in the timeline. I would love to ask these questions but hesitate to ask on open forum for fear of being ostracized or, at least, put on the spot to defend my questions which are sometimes difficult to explain. So, usually, I sit on the sideline and try to learn by "listening" and not "speaking".

Example: This thread has taught me a lot concerning the hour of test but I now have some specific questions based on my updated understanding. An answer to one question often leads to another which sometimes may appear confrontational; however, I can assure everyone that is not the case with us. We're just trying to deepen our understanding and make all the parts fit together. Perhaps, there isn't an answer to some of our question and that's okay. (Phyllis)
 
I (Phyllis) very much recognize I am still in an intermediate stage of learning and it's not an enviable place to be. We can't learn fast enough. I think most everyone knows we are on board and believe Watchman is being used by Jehovah. However, I/we still have questions concerning the intricacies of prophesy......for instance, how things all fit together in the timeline. I would love to ask these questions but hesitate to ask on open forum for fear of being ostracized or, at least, put on the spot to defend my questions which are sometimes difficult to explain. So, usually, I sit on the sideline and try to learn by "listening" and not "speaking".

Example: This thread has taught me a lot concerning the hour of test but I now have some specific questions based on my updated understanding. An answer to one question often leads to another which sometimes may appear confrontational; however, I can assure everyone that is not the case with us. We're just trying to deepen our understanding and make all the parts fit together. Perhaps, there isn't an answer to some of our question and that's okay. (Phyllis)
Don’t worry, at least nobody has gone full Nehemiah on us. I sometimes start my comment with “I know I will get blasted for this but…”. It’s funny because I KNOW that all JW’s have been trained to defuse even belligerent interactions or just leave the conversation. But for some reason when it’s on the forum, you’d think some have actually been slapped in the face. I am guilty as well. We need Jehovah’s spirit every second of every day and still we all fail. At least we have company in each other if we are self-aware enough to recognize that we are all wrong at times. No exceptions.

Nehemiah 13:25: “So I reprimanded them and called down a curse on them and struck some of the men and pulled out their hair and made them swear by God: “You should not give your daughters to their sons, and you should not accept any of their daughters for your sons or yourselves.”
 
I (Phyllis) very much recognize I am still in an intermediate stage of learning and it's not an enviable place to be. We can't learn fast enough. I think most everyone knows we are on board and believe Watchman is being used by Jehovah. However, I/we still have questions concerning the intricacies of prophesy......for instance, how things all fit together in the timeline. I would love to ask these questions but hesitate to ask on open forum for fear of being ostracized or, at least, put on the spot to defend my questions which are sometimes difficult to explain. So, usually, I sit on the sideline and try to learn by "listening" and not "speaking".

Example: This thread has taught me a lot concerning the hour of test but I now have some specific questions based on my updated understanding. An answer to one question often leads to another which sometimes may appear confrontational; however, I can assure everyone that is not the case with us. We're just trying to deepen our understanding and make all the parts fit together. Perhaps, there isn't an answer to some of our question and that's okay. (Phyllis)

Excerpt:​

So, the hour of trial or test will be the final judgement of Jesus of all those on earth with rewards and punishments, within a relatively short time period, as if an hour.​

Search results for: hour of test what is it> https://e-watchman.com/​

https://e-watchman.com/ ​


JEHOVAH HIMSELF HAS BECOME KING ​

Epilogue> https://jehovah-is-king.com/epilogue/​

 
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I (Phyllis) very much recognize I am still in an intermediate stage of learning and it's not an enviable place to be. We can't learn fast enough. I think most everyone knows we are on board and believe Watchman is being used by Jehovah. However, I/we still have questions concerning the intricacies of prophesy......for instance, how things all fit together in the timeline. I would love to ask these questions but hesitate to ask on open forum for fear of being ostracized or, at least, put on the spot to defend my questions which are sometimes difficult to explain. So, usually, I sit on the sideline and try to learn by "listening" and not "speaking".

Example: This thread has taught me a lot concerning the hour of test but I now have some specific questions based on my updated understanding. An answer to one question often leads to another which sometimes may appear confrontational; however, I can assure everyone that is not the case with us. We're just trying to deepen our understanding and make all the parts fit together. Perhaps, there isn't an answer to some of our question and that's okay. (Phyllis)
I sent you a couple of links but apparently they're not working I'm going to have to get back to you -sorry for the delay
 
I (Phyllis) very much recognize I am still in an intermediate stage of learning and it's not an enviable place to be. We can't learn fast enough. I think most everyone knows we are on board and believe Watchman is being used by Jehovah. However, I/we still have questions concerning the intricacies of prophesy......for instance, how things all fit together in the timeline. I would love to ask these questions but hesitate to ask on open forum for fear of being ostracized or, at least, put on the spot to defend my questions which are sometimes difficult to explain. So, usually, I sit on the sideline and try to learn by "listening" and not "speaking".

Example: This thread has taught me a lot concerning the hour of test but I now have some specific questions based on my updated understanding. An answer to one question often leads to another which sometimes may appear confrontational; however, I can assure everyone that is not the case with us. We're just trying to deepen our understanding and make all the parts fit together. Perhaps, there isn't an answer to some of our question and that's okay. (Phyllis)

Okay these links are working.​

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Excerpt: ​

So, the hour of trial or test will be the final judgement of Jesus of all those on earth with rewards and punishments, within a relatively short time period, as if an hour​

​

When is the hour of test coming upon the world? https://e-watchman.com/hour-test-world/​

The hour of test coming upon the world https://e-watchman.com/the-hour-of-test-coming-upon-the-world/​

When is the hour of test? https://e-watchman.com/when-is-the-hour-of-test/​

THE HOUR OF JUDGMENT https://e-watchman.com/the-hour-of-judgment/​

The hour of the judgment is nigh https://e-watchman.com/hour-judgment-nigh/​

When Is the Hour of the Judgment? https://e-watchman.com/when-is-the-hour-of-the-judgment/​

The Hour of Darkness Approaches https://e-watchman.com/hour-of-darkness-approaches/​

JEHOVAH HIMSELF HAS BECOME KING ​

Epilogue https://jehovah-is-king.com/epilogue/​

 
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I (Phyllis) very much recognize I am still in an intermediate stage of learning and it's not an enviable place to be. We can't learn fast enough. I think most everyone knows we are on board and believe Watchman is being used by Jehovah. However, I/we still have questions concerning the intricacies of prophesy......for instance, how things all fit together in the timeline. I would love to ask these questions but hesitate to ask on open forum for fear of being ostracized or, at least, put on the spot to defend my questions which are sometimes difficult to explain. So, usually, I sit on the sideline and try to learn by "listening" and not "speaking",

Example: This thread has taught me a lot concerning the hour of test but I now have some specific questions based on my updated understanding. An answer to one question often leads to another which sometimes may appear confrontational; however, I can assure everyone that is not the case with us. We're just trying to deepen our understanding and make all the parts fit together. Perhaps, there isn't an answer to some of our question and that's okay. (Phyllis)
Thank you for speaking my heart Phyllis. I'm not new here but like you I mostly sit on the sidelines and listen. I've learned a lot but I feel like it's only a drop in the bucket.
Sometimes it take someone to say the same thing that's been said many times but to say it in a different way before I finally get it.
And then too, my memory ain't what it used to be.
And I don't want to appear confrontational or stupid either.
It's so easy to be misunderstood when on a platform like this compared to speaking face to face. You're not alone.🫂
 
I (Phyllis) very much recognize I am still in an intermediate stage of learning and it's not an enviable place to be. We can't learn fast enough. I think most everyone knows we are on board and believe Watchman is being used by Jehovah. However, I/we still have questions concerning the intricacies of prophesy......for instance, how things all fit together in the timeline. I would love to ask these questions but hesitate to ask on open forum for fear of being ostracized or, at least, put on the spot to defend my questions which are sometimes difficult to explain. So, usually, I sit on the sideline and try to learn by "listening" and not "speaking".

Example: This thread has taught me a lot concerning the hour of test but I now have some specific questions based on my updated understanding. An answer to one question often leads to another which sometimes may appear confrontational; however, I can assure everyone that is not the case with us. We're just trying to deepen our understanding and make all the parts fit together. Perhaps, there isn't an answer to some of our question and that's okay. (Phyllis)
Thank you Phyllis for putting also my exact feelings into words. And a sincere Amen to that.
 
Bruthas and sistahs. That was a funky break from a song I used to listen to. Please, my brothers and sisters don't be quick to be offended and don't be afraid to edit your comments. I do it all the time after a spell of witnessing what is around us. This wicked world wants to twist us all. Satan if I can name names. I used to consider the idea that Watchtower was under attack, and maybe they are or were. If they were under attack for declaring truths, are we not even more of a target here? If I was one of those beelzebub former angels I would spend my time watching out for anyone close to the real truth.
I have had the luxury of not being employed for a while and if I am honest, God has let me finally relax for a minute and enjoy my surroundings. Whatever the reason, I have been blessed with a home in a place that is peaceful and I am still trying to get my brain wrapped around the why.
I spend too much time trying to explain why. Having understood that I am finally just learning how to appreciate the here and now because in a minute it can be snatched up.
Sometimes you don't have to ask why.
The longer I live the more important the words of Jesus become to me. I've spent a lot of time in the Greek scriptures hoping to latch onto that groove that would let me help others.
The actual words of Jesus as quoted in the gospels are the most important words we can ever read. I will dare to say if you even focus your effort there, you won't go wrong. By the time I showed up at the kingdom hall I had regurgitated 20 years of what other churches had to offer. This is a time based thing.
Don't be offended if God accepts someone a little less holy than you.
Don't be offended if God accepts someone a little less holy than you.
Don't be offended if God accepts someone a little less holy than you.
 
I (Phyllis) very much recognize I am still in an intermediate stage of learning and it's not an enviable place to be. We can't learn fast enough. I think most everyone knows we are on board and believe Watchman is being used by Jehovah. However, I/we still have questions concerning the intricacies of prophesy......for instance, how things all fit together in the timeline. I would love to ask these questions but hesitate to ask on open forum for fear of being ostracized or, at least, put on the spot to defend my questions which are sometimes difficult to explain. So, usually, I sit on the sideline and try to learn by "listening" and not "speaking".

Example: This thread has taught me a lot concerning the hour of test but I now have some specific questions based on my updated understanding. An answer to one question often leads to another which sometimes may appear confrontational; however, I can assure everyone that is not the case with us. We're just trying to deepen our understanding and make all the parts fit together. Perhaps, there isn't an answer to some of our question and that's okay. (Phyllis)
This problem as stated has an undercurrent of sisters feeling subservient to men and/or head knowledge. Learning the truth is not head knowledge. People often acquaint it with such. It’s not the case. Everything that we require to love Jehovah - intrinsically, is already written in our hearts. It is perhaps more accurate to note that the spirit of the creator is within our “life”, the object that Jehovah “breathed into his (Adam’s ) nostrils and he became a living thing”. The command is to “love Jehovah with all your heart and mind, your soul,” This is not head knowledge. Head knowledge is understanding prophesy and that has to be given to one. It is not acquired through learning, but from insight, inspiration from Jehovah if we are to believe our own rhetoric. It gives us the power of discernment over the common philosophical reasoning of man, and makes us think “Yes - this is true.” Thus we can “disregard” the speaker (man) (but disregard the appointment of the speaker at your own peril for they are one and the same), and make that truth our own. But how do we make truth our own, unless we feel it from within and “recognise my (Christ’s) voice?”. It is because we are aware of our spirituality and it awakens to our reasoning. Many, too many, suppress their absorption of the spirit by valuing head knowledge above the sensual realisation of what “truth” actually is. Truth must be imbibed into the soul.

There are two outstanding examples of this in scripture. One is the conversion of Paul. When we read of his conscience about how he, with his head knowledge of Judaism as preached, participated in the slaughter of Christian’s whom were following the example of Christ. We see how years later, his understanding of the attributes of Jehovah had altered his course in life. It is a fine illustration of how the heart informs the head (knowledge). The second example is of Christ’s reply to Pilate when he asked “What is truth?” That is something that can only come from within:- how can any explanation be understood and with meaning, unless one is first aware of its existence?

This is the primary common-denominator of all of us here. Did Jehovah on bringing Adam to life, give him an instruction manual to learn how he was to feel, how to express his thankfulness on coming to awareness, how to maintain his perfection, how he was to respond to these sensations? Recent conversations here on site suggest that the first response of Adam on seeing Eve for the first time was of a sexual partner. But was it? Our first experience in youth of our fellow beings is one of friendship and encounter. Love grows through appreciation of all the faculties of the Spirit, only one aspect of which is head knowledge. There was no need for explanation that we find in the bible, so it stands to reason, that there was no need of Adam to have a ‘bible’ then to teach us how to love one another and our God Jehovah.

So why should sisters remain quiet or be “less than” in terms of contribution? I have learnt far more from sisters here than I have ever learnt elsewhere about the truth., Susan, Edith, Melinda and all the others and from long ago, Raven, who was too aware of the hammering sisters get and never divulged her gender. What she did not know about the bible was scant indeed. Essentially then, the bible instructs us on what is important to our salvation and warns us to be ready. It does not tell us how to love, but that we should. The same with respect for each other, our values toward each other. Submission, in context, is not to be interpreted as “less than”, but within the context that Jehovah meant it to be for the sake of His view of order and completion. There is no subservience in that, only the required respect for Jehovah’s order of things, and which are perfect. One only has to look to watchtower for an example of how misunderstanding, shallowness of application and appalling waste of contributions in balance of thinking from the sisterhood, lies untapped and rejected in the progression of truth amongst those seeking Jehovah.

From a psychological point of view, it is wisdom personified to view the unification of the mindset of women and men as one being - the completeness of the human psyche. It may not be far from the truth to understand that the success of marriage, and the reason for its success in the way of Jehovah, is the fact that when united in mind, man and woman form a completeness of the intended human nature. Thus, far from being “less than” a man, as viewed by watchtower and other religions, and men in general it has to be said, they are the completion of man, the completion of the whole psyche. Far from being at the “intermediate stage of learning” Phyllis, you and all other women who use their intuition from the heart, are at the apex of understanding, far more likely than any man. Intellectual learning is of no value, unless it is warmed and embellished and put into motion and action by love (of the meaning of the attributes of Jehovah) - and women understand that far more wholesomely than man. Show me a watchtower man that has insight into the application of mercy, justice and understanding and who can bleed for such in the case of widows and children. Something else is required and it’s tempered and exposed by love born of understanding the attributes of Jehovah. Thus listening and sharing together as one is the essential factor. Obeying the order of things that springs from it, as does its reasoning upon it correctly, only contributes to that. No one is “less than” the other.
 
So why should sisters remain quiet or be “less than” in terms of contribution? I have learnt far more from sisters here than I have ever learnt elsewhere about the truth.,
Funny you mention that. I agree. The sisters here and also in the Hall taught me more than I might have expected. It was a rare exception but I was allowed to be a study of two sisters. Sisters tend to expect more from you and are pleased when you actually learn. Sometimes I wonder about how Holy Spirit works because most of the really potent statements I ever heard at a kingdom hall were made by sisters who had heard enough and decided to let themselves be heard, regardless of the fallout.
When you hear truth spoken, you don't really care about the source. Is it any of our business if God uses women to slip the truth to us from a direction we didn't expect?
Jehovah uses every means at his disposal and sometime it means being sly. A sister makes a comment and maybe at first you don't absorb it all but later when you replay the tape you hear what you were supposed to hear.
That's how God works in general. It doesn't apply just to any one venue. If God finds a listening ear, he will give you plenty to listen to.
 

Scriptures for thought.​

BARNABY Said 'When Christ said to those that claimed to have cast out demons in his name etc, to what was he referring to when he said ‘get away from me, I never knew you’? ​

Romans 2:13​

For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doersa of law will be declared righteous.b

Matthew​

23 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples,+ saying: “The scribes+ and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses.+ Therefore all the things they tell+ YOU, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds,+ for they say but do not perform.

BARNABY Said 'What is necessary for us to demonstrate to be recognized by Christ?
At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial,+ but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.

Acts 10:35​

Excerpt:
In the Bible, Acts 10:35 states, "but in every nation he that feareth Him and worketh righteousness is accepted by Him". This verse is interpreted to mean that people who fear God and do what is right are acceptable to Him, regardless of their race or nationality. The verse also implies that people who fear God will treat Him with worshipful obedience and live uprightly.
Thanks for your help Kevin. Most appreciated.
 
This problem as stated has an undercurrent of sisters feeling subservient to men and/or head knowledge. Learning the truth is not head knowledge. People often acquaint it with such. It’s not the case. Everything that we require to love Jehovah - intrinsically, is already written in our hearts. It is perhaps more accurate to note that the spirit of the creator is within our “life”, the object that Jehovah “breathed into his (Adam’s ) nostrils and he became a living thing”. The command is to “love Jehovah with all your heart and mind, your soul,” This is not head knowledge. Head knowledge is understanding prophesy and that has to be given to one. It is not acquired through learning, but from insight, inspiration from Jehovah if we are to believe our own rhetoric. It gives us the power of discernment over the common philosophical reasoning of man, and makes us think “Yes - this is true.” Thus we can “disregard” the speaker (man) (but disregard the appointment of the speaker at your own peril for they are one and the same), and make that truth our own. But how do we make truth our own, unless we feel it from within and “recognise my (Christ’s) voice?”. It is because we are aware of our spirituality and it awakens to our reasoning. Many, too many, suppress their absorption of the spirit by valuing head knowledge above the sensual realisation of what “truth” actually is. Truth must be imbibed into the soul.

There are two outstanding examples of this in scripture. One is the conversion of Paul. When we read of his conscience about how he, with his head knowledge of Judaism as preached, participated in the slaughter of Christian’s whom were following the example of Christ. We see how years later, his understanding of the attributes of Jehovah had altered his course in life. It is a fine illustration of how the heart informs the head (knowledge). The second example is of Christ’s reply to Pilate when he asked “What is truth?” That is something that can only come from within:- how can any explanation be understood and with meaning, unless one is first aware of its existence?

This is the primary common-denominator of all of us here. Did Jehovah on bringing Adam to life, give him an instruction manual to learn how he was to feel, how to express his thankfulness on coming to awareness, how to maintain his perfection, how he was to respond to these sensations? Recent conversations here on site suggest that the first response of Adam on seeing Eve for the first time was of a sexual partner. But was it? Our first experience in youth of our fellow beings is one of friendship and encounter. Love grows through appreciation of all the faculties of the Spirit, only one aspect of which is head knowledge. There was no need for explanation that we find in the bible, so it stands to reason, that there was no need of Adam to have a ‘bible’ then to teach us how to love one another and our God Jehovah.

So why should sisters remain quiet or be “less than” in terms of contribution? I have learnt far more from sisters here than I have ever learnt elsewhere about the truth., Susan, Edith, Melinda and all the others and from long ago, Raven, who was too aware of the hammering sisters get and never divulged her gender. What she did not know about the bible was scant indeed. Essentially then, the bible instructs us on what is important to our salvation and warns us to be ready. It does not tell us how to love, but that we should. The same with respect for each other, our values toward each other. Submission, in context, is not to be interpreted as “less than”, but within the context that Jehovah meant it to be for the sake of His view of order and completion. There is no subservience in that, only the required respect for Jehovah’s order of things, and which are perfect. One only has to look to watchtower for an example of how misunderstanding, shallowness of application and appalling waste of contributions in balance of thinking from the sisterhood, lies untapped and rejected in the progression of truth amongst those seeking Jehovah.

From a psychological point of view, it is wisdom personified to view the unification of the mindset of women and men as one being - the completeness of the human psyche. It may not be far from the truth to understand that the success of marriage, and the reason for its success in the way of Jehovah, is the fact that when united in mind, man and woman form a completeness of the intended human nature. Thus, far from being “less than” a man, as viewed by watchtower and other religions, and men in general it has to be said, they are the completion of man, the completion of the whole psyche. Far from being at the “intermediate stage of learning” Phyllis, you and all other women who use their intuition from the heart, are at the apex of understanding, far more likely than any man. Intellectual learning is of no value, unless it is warmed and embellished and put into motion and action by love (of the meaning of the attributes of Jehovah) - and women understand that far more wholesomely than man. Show me a watchtower man that has insight into the application of mercy, justice and understanding and who can bleed for such in the case of widows and children. Something else is required and it’s tempered and exposed by love born of understanding the attributes of Jehovah. Thus listening and sharing together as one is the essential factor. Obeying the order of things that springs from it, as does its reasoning upon it correctly, only contributes to that. No one is “less than” the other.
Thank you Barnaby for this clear and lucid explanation, from which I as a sister also can and may learn a lot. The years of 'treatment' within the WT leave their mark and it is not easy to 'just' get out from under it. But we keep trying.
 
I have no idea what he meant… but the word hour stands out to me. The Hour of Test is 3 & 1/2 years as we all know. When Jesus said “the hour is now,” was he referring to his 1st 3 & 1/2 year ministry?
"Hour" has many different meanings in the Bible so it depends on the context in order to reveal the understanding / meaning. So with that being said could you please give me the location of the scripture that you are referring to. Thank you.
 
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