How does the Watchtower come to it's end?

Jahrule

Jahrule

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As far as I am concerned they have already collapsed. They just don't realize it yet. Where are the JWs? I haven't seen them in years. I heard from one about a week or so ago. They called my phone to tell me about a convention or something. But when they learned my name they disappeared again. I ask them to text me the info so I could attend, and they never did. So while the Watchtower may still exist, they only exist for themselves now.
 
Ms_ladyblue

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Driven said:
Does your statement (referenced above) really make sense to you? It doesn’t to me. The thread is the question of “How Does the Watchtower come to it’s end” not will it come to an end. It’s God’s word that tells us it will come to its end at Isaiah 30:13-14: “So this error will be for you like a broken wall, Like a bulging high wall ready to fall. It will crash suddenly, in an instant. It will be broken like a large potter’s jar, So completely smashed that no fragment among its pieces will be left To rake the fire from the fireplace Or to scoop water from a puddle.”

I have no idea who you think is throwing the baby out with the bathwater but that really isn’t the question. Are you trying to persuade the forum members to stay inside the organization? Then, perhaps you want to start your own thread rather than introduce a new topic on this thread. The question Nomex is asking has nothing to do with Saul nor David.
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Thank you @Driven
I couldn’t have said it any better. 🤗
 
Sunshower

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A lot of what has stated already, I agree with.

The way I see it WT has shot itself in the foot with their covid policy. At first they said it was everyone’s own decision to get jabbed or not. That should have been the end of it. But the fear porn they started in GB update 3 of last year prepared us for the extreme stand they have taken now. I don’t think it’s far fetched to say you need a QR code or health passport to get into the halls next.

Also, more and more countries are waking up to the fact that WT has this database of sexual predators. If that would ever be released it will wake up a whole lot of JW’s who now still believe it’s an apostate driven lie. You notice in everything that they do that they’re losing grip. That is why they double down on unity and neutrality, while WT itself has neither.

There are a lot of people having doubts already but who are afraid to speak up. Once that fear of being df-ed is gone you will see a large exodus. Combine that with the political elements who want to rid the world of religion and the collapse of the wall is complete.
 
Melinda

Melinda

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Sunshower said:
Also, more and more countries are waking up to the fact that WT has this database of sexual predators. If that would ever be released it will wake up a whole lot of JW’s who now still believe it’s an apostate driven lie. You notice in everything that they do that they’re losing grip. That is why they double down on unity and neutrality, while WT itself has neither.
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I think it's going to be something bigger than the Australian Royal Commission.....something global. You'll see all the members of the GB on the stand and they will all lie just like Geoffrey Jackson. They will lie to the world and to Jehovah's Witnesses. They will have no where to hide.
 
Sunshower

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coinlady said:
I think it's going to be something bigger than the Australian Royal Commission.....something global. You'll see all the members of the GB on the stand and they will all lie just like Geoffrey Jackson. They will lie to the world and to Jehovah's Witnesses. They will have no where to hide.
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I hope they will be put on the stand and put to shame for all the world to see.
 
SusanB

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Jahrule said:
As far as I am concerned they have already collapsed. They just don't realize it yet. Where are the JWs? I haven't seen them in years. I heard from one about a week or so ago. They called my phone to tell me about a convention or something. But when they learned my name they disappeared again. I ask them to text me the info so I could attend, and they never did. So while the Watchtower may still exist, they only exist for themselves now.
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My husband did see a cart (with the bros/sisters) at a bus stop the other day. But this is a bus stop in a very unpopulated area of the island. Almost like they just wanted the cars driving by to see them but it would be very unlikely anyone would be there in person outside of a very few isolated ones.
 
MickHewitt

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Driven said:
My husband did see a cart (with the bros/sisters) at a bus stop the other day. But this is a bus stop in a very unpopulated area of the island. Almost like they just wanted the cars driving by to see them but it would be very unlikely anyone would be there in person outside of a very few isolated ones.
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Yes I have it confirmed for some weeks now that the cart work is operational in my area!
 
StillA_WorshiperOfJah

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Jahrule said:
As far as I am concerned they have already collapsed. They just don't realize it yet. Where are the JWs? I haven't seen them in years. I heard from one about a week or so ago. They called my phone to tell me about a convention or something. But when they learned my name they disappeared again. I ask them to text me the info so I could attend, and they never did. So while the Watchtower may still exist, they only exist for themselves now.
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Before the scam-demic carts were a comman sight where I live. Since they announced the reinstatement of the public ministry, I have not seen one - masked or unmasked.
 
Nomex

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coinlady said:
I think it's going to be something bigger than the Australian Royal Commission.....something global.
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I know some here follow Alex Jones. He's one of the reasons I am here because I was sure, if Satan ruled the world what the world was telling us had to be lies.

One of the ways, probably the biggest way the puppet masters pull the strings of the faces of government is by compromising them. 60 years ago, even 50 years ago they could do that by framing a politician with a hooker, and if they found out the politician was gay, and they could use the threat of exposing that to control the politician. Well that doesn't work anymore, and hasn't for decades.

There was a Roman emperor Titus I think, who was a known pedophile. I believe that part of the intoxication of power is being able to do what ever you want without consequences. Alex Jones has made the case that this is the way they have controlled these politicians is by getting them involved in pedophilia. Not that too many years ago, there were some young adults who came forward and accused powerful politicians of this very thing, but one of the ways they get away with this is by using orphans, and getting them addicted to drugs, and when they get old enough, and have the courage to talk about what happened to them they have no credibility because they are drug addicts.

Now I'm not making any accusations about how far up the pedo problem goes within WT, I have no idea, but I would not rule anything out. What I am thinking though is there is no way the government doesn't know about it, and that they can and will use it! It would not surprise me if CIA operatives have infiltrated the Org, just like the Stasi did. And have been gathering evidence to drop the hammer on WT, whenever the feel like it.

I also think it likely that the Gov may have used that leverage to control the WT response to Covid. Something like, "We'll give you all these Covid relief benefits, and funding if you go along with our narrative, or the alternative is, all your members will find out that the 'Apostate driven lies' are not lies so much."

And then when they are done using them, they will expose them anyway! And they won't be able to hide like they did in Australia.

When the entire body is subpoenaed and they have to testify, how would they be able to spin that?


I don't know....obviously we'll have to wait and see, but I would think Jehovah would want to expose them! This is one of Satan's worst evils! And I would think Satan wants to expose them too!
 
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Sandman

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Sunshower said:
A lot of what has stated already, I agree with.

The way I see it WT has shot itself in the foot with their covid policy. At first they said it was everyone’s own decision to get jabbed or not. That should have been the end of it. But the fear porn they started in GB update 3 of last year prepared us for the extreme stand they have taken now. I don’t think it’s far fetched to say you need a QR code or health passport to get into the halls next.

Also, more and more countries are waking up to the fact that WT has this database of sexual predators. If that would ever be released it will wake up a whole lot of JW’s who now still believe it’s an apostate driven lie. You notice in everything that they do that they’re losing grip. That is why they double down on unity and neutrality, while WT itself has neither.

There are a lot of people having doubts already but who are afraid to speak up. Once that fear of being df-ed is gone you will see a large exodus. Combine that with the political elements who want to rid the world of religion and the collapse of the wall is complete.
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I for one do not care, been there done that. I was DF FOR Quite a few years. Just recently got "reinstated" as if I needed a man to tell me that my worship is acceptable.. only stupidity and no common sense makes you believe that worship isn't acceptable because you made mistakes.. Oh I forgot Jesus died for....... ( Perfect people) No... for those who realize they cannot live up to Godly standards with out the ransom of christ.
 
Nomex

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Sandman said:
No... for those who realize they cannot live up to Godly standards with out the ransom of christ.
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And somehow the examples of "exemplary" people who made it into the Bible, of all the billions of people who have lived, we have to live up to their example. Sorry, but I have news for everyone, they are in the Bible because they were the only ones who could pull that off. Also why there are so few of them, spanning a couple thousand years. And out of those people, you still had, a bunch of screw ups! I mean David had an affair, and had her husband killed after the fact to cover it up...yet what he did right got him into the Bible.

So what about the rest of us? Did Jesus only die for less imperfect people? I think the fact of the matter is, many in the "truth" hide their imperfections with "righteous indignation" and "judgement from the Bible" to hide their arrogance and intolerance, and their inability to actually act "Christ like".
 
BARNABY THE DOG.

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Nomex said:
That's not a click bait title, it's an actual question. I grew up in the truth, (WT) and so clearly not something I'd ever even considered until I landed here.

And so, being the analytical mind that I am, I cannot help but speculate how this might happen, and to be honest, I am at a loss.

Perhaps it's because there is a part of me, even though I know I should not, but really wants it to happen. And so perhaps that clouds my perception of things.

But I'm really wondering what people think will lead to and ultimately cause the fall of the WT!?
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The watchtower has built its reputation on Jehovah’s name. Everything about it is attached to the name. I cannot see the dissolution of the watchtower passing without reference to Jehovah of their treachery to the significance of that name. Jesus was taunted by those at his execution when the crowd said to him, to pray for his god to take him down from the stake. My opinion would be then, that the fall of the watchtower is marked by its betrayal of the truth. What would be the point of it otherwise? Look at the fall of Jerusalem - another example. The flock has to understand that the Watchtower is abandoned by Jehovah, that they have lied about 1914 and that their faith is misplaced. Jesus had to stand alone. “My God, why have you forsaken me?” We all have to go through the same mill and stand alone in our faith. Those lingering in the watchtower, have not yet gotten their oil. The same principles applied to the anointed are the same directed at the flock, surely? The outcome is no different, only the reward. I assume then, that the fall of the watchtower will not be academic and an assumed martyrdom to the cause, but a scripturally clear issue of betrayal that the flock will, without doubt, view as apostasy of the very standards claimed by the governing body. I cannot see it going to its destruction in such a way that the flock and the public can view it as persecution . That would elevate the leadership as it did during the First World War when they were jailed. The leadership have to be exposed in their wrongdoing, just as the priests were seen to be when exposed in the inner sanctum of the temple.
 
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Soul Sage

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Driven said:
Does your statement (referenced above) really make sense to you? It doesn’t to me. The thread is the question of “How Does the Watchtower come to it’s end” not will it come to an end. It’s God’s word that tells us it will come to its end at Isaiah 30:13-14: “So this error will be for you like a broken wall, Like a bulging high wall ready to fall. It will crash suddenly, in an instant. It will be broken like a large potter’s jar, So completely smashed that no fragment among its pieces will be left To rake the fire from the fireplace Or to scoop water from a puddle.”

I have no idea who you think is throwing the baby out with the bathwater but that really isn’t the question. Are you trying to persuade the forum members to stay inside the organization? Then, perhaps you want to start your own thread rather than introduce a new topic on this thread. The question Nomex is asking has nothing to do with Saul nor David.
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That scripture is talking about false religion. Jehovah Witnesses are not a false religion. Is it perfect? No it's not and there will be problems in all organizations. My example of King Saul and David is a reflection of your own standing. Given the chance, would you take matters into your own hands and kill King Saul or would you rely on Jehovah to take care of his anointed? Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a saying which refers to dismissing Jehovah and his organization entirely and condemning it just cause of the leadership's mistakes. It applies to this topic because I don't think the organization will end. It may be forced to go underground due to tyrannical government but won't come to an absolute end.
 
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