How will we know who are Christ's true brothers?

LuisMerino9412

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I have some questions.
I know that in future the sheep will be scattered and everyone will be confused because of everything that will be happening. But how will those who will belong to the great crowd (the faithful ones that will inherit the earth) know what to do?
Besides, once the tribulation is cut short and the brothers of Christ are sealed, how will they know who are truly the brothers of Christ? As they will be infused with holy spirit just like them, will the holy spirit reveal that to them? And what will they do once the chosen ones are killed? Will there some "leaders" in charge of them assigned right before the chosen ones are killed just like it happened with Joshua and Elisha when Moses died and Elijah was "taken" to heaven?
I asked you this because there will be a lot of false prophets and christs during the last days and will perform great signs and miracles just like Jesus warned about. So, how will we distinguish them from the true brothers of Christ?
Robert, if you see this I would love it to be answered in a podcast. Please. Haha. :) 😅
I think this is a very important question because on this will depende the life of many people in the future. Those who will be mislead will have no future. Thank you.
 
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SusanB

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I have some questions.
I know that in future the sheep will be scattered and everyone will be confused because of everything that will be happening. But how will those who will belong to the great crowd (the faithful ones that will inherit the earth) what to do?
Besides, once the tribulation is cut short and the brothers of Christ are sealed, how will they know who are truly the brothers of Christ? As they will be infused with holy spirit just like them, will the holy spirit reveal that to them? And how will they act once the chosen ones are killed? Will there some "leaders" in charge of them assigned right before the chosen ones are killed just like it happened with Joshua and Elisha when Moses died and Elijah was "taken" to heaven?
I asked you this because there will be a lot of false prophets and christs during the last days and will perform great signs and miracles, and Jesus warned about them. So, how will we distinguish them from the true brothers of Christ?
It would be good if Robert discusses this in a podcast haha. Because on this will depende the life of many people in the future. Thank you. :)
I think we can look at the pattern of Jesus and how people knew he was the Messiah. Jesus performed miracles. In the book of Joel we read that God will pour out his spirit on his sealed anointed ones. And the way he spoke was clearly notable as well. No doubt when the Chosen ones prophesy it will harmonize with what we know about God’s word and clarify/correct the unknowns or wrong understandings. Jesus was known as a “teacher” because he taught God’s word correctly and it affected people’s heart. I think it will be similar with the Chosen Ones but it will be important to stay fresh with bible knowledge now so that it “clicks” in our brain when we hear it.

Matthew 9:33: “and after the demon had been expelled, the speechless man spoke. Well, the crowds were amazed and said: “Never has anything like this been seen in Israel.”

Matthew 13:54: “After coming into his home territory, he began to teach them in their synagogue, so that they were astounded and said: “Where did this man get this wisdom and these powerful works?”

John 7:45-46: “Then the officers went back to the chief priests and Pharisees, and the latter said to them: “Why did you not bring him in?” The officers replied: “Never has any man spoken like this.”

Joel 2:28-31: “After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions. And even on my male slaves and female slaves I will pour out my spirit in those days. And I will give wonders in the heavens and on the earth, Blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood Before the coming of the great and awe-inspiring day of Jehovah.”

Daniel 11:33-35: “And those having insight among the people will impart understanding to the many. And they will be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for some days. But when they are made to stumble, they will be given a little help; and many will join with them by means of smooth speech. And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and a whitening until the time of the end; because it is yet for the time appointed.”
 

kirmmy

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Another hint: 1 John 4:3

But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.

There are many more in the Bible. If you have a solid grounding in the truth you won't have a problem telling the true from the false.
 

Watchman

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In the eighth chapter of Romans, Paul wrote about the revealing of the sons of God. In the 3rd chapter of Colossians Paul added: "For you died, and your life has been hidden with the Christ in union with God. When the Christ, our life, is made manifest, then you also will be made manifest with him in glory."

After Jesus was resurrected he appeared to over 500 people. They had all been pre-selected; meaning, that they had faith in Jesus before he died and arose. No unbeliever saw Jesus after he rose from the dead. We can expect that same pattern in the future. The sons of God will not be revealed to unbelievers.
 

PJ54

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This scripture came to mind!
(Matthew 24:23-28) 23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 28 Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
 

PJ54

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In the eighth chapter of Romans, Paul wrote about the revealing of the sons of God. In the 3rd chapter of Colossians Paul added: "For you died, and your life has been hidden with the Christ in union with God. When the Christ, our life, is made manifest, then you also will be made manifest with him in glory."

After Jesus was resurrected he appeared to over 500 people. They had all been pre-selected; meaning, that they had faith in Jesus before he died and arose. No unbeliever saw Jesus after he rose from the dead. We can expect that same pattern in the future. The sons of God will not be revealed to unbelievers.
What about the Great Crowd?
 
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Jodan

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(Matthew 24:23-28) 23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be. 28 Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

From those Scriptures, it seems YOU will know he is here for YOURSELF just like YOU know when YOU see lightning in the sky. It appears that just as we ALL can see lightning that we ALL will see Jesus. Based on those Scriptures, if YOU have to depend on someone else telling YOU Jesus is here then that is a warning not to believe them. This rules out him coming invisible or him only appearing to chosen ones.

28 so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin, and he will be seen by those earnestly looking for him for their salvation.

Also, it seems that when he is made manifest/his manifestation is when he comes in glory with his angels and gathers his chosen ones and judges the nations. This timing would be Armageddon, so that would rule out any so-called coming/presence/manifestation/revelation of him coming prior to that time.

The Kingdom of God is in your midst

Likewise, the manifestation and revelation of Christ are spoken of in the same manner. For example, in his first letter to the Thessalonians Paul wrote concerning the presence of Jesus: “For what is our hope or joy or crown of exultation—why, is it not in fact you?—before our Lord Jesus at his presence?” — 1 Thessalonians 2:19

“Moreover, may the Lord cause you to increase, yes, make you abound, in love to one another and to all, even as we also do to you; to the end that he may make your hearts firm, unblamable in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.” — 1 Thessalonians 3:12-13

In the passages above the apostle makes it clear that standing before God in blamelessness at the presence of the Lord Jesus is the end of it. That is when the Christians realize the hope to which they were called. That is when they receive their crown. Paul referred to the same outcome at the revelation of Jesus, where he wrote: “So that you do not fall short in any gift at all, while you are eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ. He will also make you firm to the end, that you may be open to no accusation in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.” — 1 Corinthians 1:7-8

Likewise, the inspired apostle revealed that the manifestation is the end of it, saying: “I give you orders that you observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ. This manifestation the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times…”— 1 Timothy 6:13-15

In the passages above Paul spoke of being “unblamable in holiness” at the parousia, as well as being “open to no accusation” at the revelation and day of Jesus Christ and being “spotless and irreprehensible…until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Being unblamabale, irreprehensible and open to no accusation are interchangeable. That being true, it is evident that parousia, manifestation and revelation are corresponding terms.

2 Thessalonians 1:6 This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you. 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.

30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.

16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.

51 Look! I tell YOU a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

31 “When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
 
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Liv4ever

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John 13:35," By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.”
 

StopTheInsanity

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I have some questions.
I know that in future the sheep will be scattered and everyone will be confused because of everything that will be happening. But how will those who will belong to the great crowd (the faithful ones that will inherit the earth) know what to do?
Besides, once the tribulation is cut short and the brothers of Christ are sealed, how will they know who are truly the brothers of Christ? As they will be infused with holy spirit just like them, will the holy spirit reveal that to them? And what will they do once the chosen ones are killed? Will there some "leaders" in charge of them assigned right before the chosen ones are killed just like it happened with Joshua and Elisha when Moses died and Elijah was "taken" to heaven?
I asked you this because there will be a lot of false prophets and christs during the last days and will perform great signs and miracles just like Jesus warned about. So, how will we distinguish them from the true brothers of Christ?
Robert, if you see this I would love it to be answered in a podcast. Please. Haha. :) 😅
I think this is a very important question because on this will depende the life of many people in the future. Those who will be mislead will have no future. Thank you.
My guess would be that the message/directive that they share will have to be in harmony with God's word and his stated purpose. If they use something like Project Blue Beam to project fake messiah's in the sky, they will tell everyone to worship the image of the wild beast/UN and to take the mark and to become transhuman. The REAL Christ would do no such thing.

Galations 1:8:

However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed

So, look at the content of what these manifested ones SAY. They should be 100% in harmony with what has already been said in the scriptures.

The other suggestion is to pray to Jehovah for clarity on whether these "messiahs" are really from him, just like Gideon did with the dew on the fleece. Ask him for a sign, specifically, that no one else will know since the elites can't read your mind, and if it comes true, then you know it's the real deal and if doesn't then don't listen do them.

Judge 6:36-40:

36 Then Gidʹe·on said to the true God: “If you are saving Israel by means of me, just as you have promised, 37 here I am laying a fleece of wool on the threshing floor. If there is dew on the fleece only but all the ground around it is dry, then I will know that you will save Israel by means of me, just as you have promised.” 38 And that is how it happened. When he rose up early the next day and wrung the fleece, he squeezed off enough dew from the fleece to fill a large banquet bowl with water. 39 However, Gidʹe·on said to the true God: “Do not let your anger burn against me, but let me ask just once more. Let me, please, make just one more test with the fleece. Please let the fleece alone be dry while there is dew all over the ground.” 40 So that is what God did that night; only the fleece was dry, and there was dew all over the ground.
 
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Jodan

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Jesus manifests himself to the anointed and then the anointed, in turn, manifest themselves to the great crowd.

When does Jesus MANIFEST himself to the anointed?
When do anointed MANIFEST themselves to great crowd?
(What Scriptures?)
 

StopTheInsanity

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When does Jesus MANIFEST himself to the anointed?
When do anointed MANIFEST themselves to great crowd?
(What Scriptures?)
Jesus manifests to the anointed:

1 Timothy 6: 13-15

13 Before God, who preserves all things alive, and Christ Jesus, who as a witness made the fine public declaration before Pontius Pilate, I give you orders 14 to observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times. He is the King of those who rule as kings and Lord of those who rule as lords,

1 John 2: 28

28 So now, little children, remain in union with him, so that when he is made manifest we may have freeness of speech and not shrink away from him in shame at his presence.

And to the great crowd:

Romans 8:17-19

17 If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together.18 For I consider that the sufferings of the present time do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us. 19 For the creation is waiting with eager expectation for the revealing of the sons of God
Matthew 13:41-43

41 The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, 42 and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.
43 At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father.

Chapter 5 on the Parousia in Robert's book covers this in detail as well as other chapters touch on it as well such as the book of Revelation
 
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Jodan

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The questions were when does Jesus MANIFEST himself to the anointed and when do anointed MANIFEST themselves to great crowd?

What/when is the timing of such? Example, before the 42-months, during, or after?

Are you aware that come, presence, manifestation, and revelation are corresponding terms? And according to the Scriptures when Jesus' manifestation/revelation/coming/presence takes place it will be when he descends from heaven with his angels and gathers his chosen ones/first resurrection.
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4 When the Christ, our life,+ is made manifest, then YOU also will be made manifest+ with him in glory.+

28 So now, little children, remain in union with him, so that when he is made manifest we may have freeness of speech+ and not shrink away from him in shame at his presence.

8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth+ and bring to nothing by the manifestation+ of his presence.

4 And when the chief shepherd+ has been made manifest, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.+

8 From this time on, there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness,+ which the Lord, the righteous judge,+ will give me as a reward in that day,+ yet not to me only, but also to all those who have loved his manifestation.

7 so that you do not lack in any gift at all, while you are eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ.+

7 in order that the tested quality of your faith,+ of much greater value than gold that perishes despite its being tested* by fire, may be found a cause for praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.+

7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus+ from heaven with his powerful angels+

27 For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior.+

26 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and of my words, the Son of man will be ashamed of that person when he comes in his glory and that of the Father and of the holy angels.+

10 and to wait for his Son from the heavens,+ whom he raised up from the dead, namely, Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath that is coming.+

31 When the Son of man+ comes in his glory, and all the angels with him,+ then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

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The following here should make very clear that the revelation/coming of Jesus takes place at Armageddon AFTER the GT.

6 This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you.+ 7 But
you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus+ from heaven with his powerful angels+ 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.+ 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction+ from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,+ and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.+ 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief,+ and they will see the Son of man+ coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.+ 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.+

16 because
the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s+ voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.+ 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds+ to meet the Lord+ in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.+

How many times do you think he comes with his angels?
How many times does he descend from heaven?
How many manifestations/revelations does Jesus have?
How many times does he gather his chosen ones?
 
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The questions were when does Jesus MANIFEST himself to the anointed and when do anointed MANIFEST themselves to great crowd?

What/when is the timing of such? Example, before the 42-months, during, or after?

Are you aware that come, presence, manifestation, and revelation are corresponding terms? And according to the Scriptures when Jesus' manifestation/revelation/coming/presence takes place it will be when he descends from heaven with his angels and gathers his chosen ones/first resurrection.
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4 When the Christ, our life,+ is made manifest, then YOU also will be made manifest+ with him in glory.+

28 So now, little children, remain in union with him, so that when he is made manifest we may have freeness of speech+ and not shrink away from him in shame at his presence.

4 And when the chief shepherd+ has been made manifest, you will receive the unfading crown of glory.+

8 From this time on, there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness,+ which the Lord, the righteous judge,+ will give me as a reward in that day,+ yet not to me only, but also to all those who have loved his manifestation.

7 so that you do not lack in any gift at all, while you are eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ.+

7 in order that the tested quality of your faith,+ of much greater value than gold that perishes despite its being tested* by fire, may be found a cause for praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.+

7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus+ from heaven with his powerful angels+

27 For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior.+

26 For whoever becomes ashamed of me and of my words, the Son of man will be ashamed of that person when he comes in his glory and that of the Father and of the holy angels.+

10 and to wait for his Son from the heavens,+ whom he raised up from the dead, namely, Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath that is coming.+

31 When the Son of man+ comes in his glory, and all the angels with him,+ then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

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The following here should make very clear that the revelation/coming of Jesus takes place at Armageddon AFTER the GT.

6 This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you.+ 7 But
you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus+ from heaven with his powerful angels+ 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.+ 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction+ from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,+ and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.+ 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief,+ and they will see the Son of man+ coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.+ 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.+

16 because
the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s+ voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.+ 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds+ to meet the Lord+ in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.+

How many times do you think he comes with his angels?
How many times does he descend from heaven?
How many manifestations/revelations does Jesus have?
How many times does he gather his chosen ones?

As alluded to above the revealing of the sons of God will happen after the weeds are collected out from "His Kingdom" and thrown into the fiery furnace. Mt 13:43.
 
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Jodan

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the revealing of the sons of God will happen after the weeds are collected out from "His Kingdom" and thrown into the fiery furnace. Mt 13:43.

Just as you said is what the Scriptures state, it is AFTER being pitched into the fiery furnace that the righteous shine. So, the timing of being thrown into the fiery furnace would be Armageddon, right?

Also, note there is no distinction made between anointed and great crowd when referring to 'sons of God', 'sons of kingdom', 'sheep', 'righteous ones'.
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24 He presented another illustration to them, saying: “The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field. 37 In response he said: “The sower of the fine seed is the Son of man; 38 the field is the world. As for the fine seed, these are the sons of the Kingdom, but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one, 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels. 40 Therefore, just as the weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. 41 The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom (the world/earth) all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, 42 and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be. 43 At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the Kingdom (the world/earth) of their Father. Let the one who has ears listen.

19 For the creation is waiting with eager expectation for the revealing of the sons of God.

49 That is how it will be in the conclusion of the system of things. The angels will go out and separate the wicked from among the righteous 50 and will cast them into the fiery furnace. There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be.

10 Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there. 11 But the meek will possess the earth, And they will find exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

5 “Happy are the mild-tempered, since they will inherit the earth. (kingdom)

9 For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth.

31 When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably; 36 naked* and you clothed me. I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you visited me.’ 37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left: ‘Go away from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels. 42 For I became hungry, but you gave me nothing to eat; and I was thirsty, but you gave me nothing to drink. 43 I was a stranger, but you did not receive me hospitably; naked, but you did not clothe me; sick and in prison, but you did not look after me.’ 44 Then they too will answer with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”
 
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Keep in mind that Romans is speaking about the "creation' is in eager expectation of the revealing of the sons of God. Does that imply that the creation is expected to be revealed as the sons of God too? I'll let you figure that one out.

Maybe you can ask. When did the sower of the "fine seed" begin his sowing? I'm sure there are other scriptures that clearly show a distinction between the anointed and the other sheep.

Granted all the righteous will be the children of God. But only a select number are the "Sons of the Kingdom".
Indeed "Brothers of Christ" "The Chosen Ones" " A royal Priesthood" " The Temple Of God" etc.
 
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Jodan

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No doubt there are Scriptuires that show a distinction between the anointed (those that will rule with Jesus for 1,000 years.) and the great crowd. I am not claiming otherwise. I have only said that in the ones that I cited they don't make a distinction and it is clear throughout all cited that it is about separating righteous from wicked within the whole world (God's kingdom) and takes place when Jesus comes in glory with his angels. That is when he is made manifest and his co-rulers are too.

Again, the manifestation/revelation of Jesus occurs when he comes with his angels and that is when he will gather his chosen ones/the first resurrection. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 Matthew 24:29-31 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 1 Corinthians 15:51,52
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Again, I know there are a select number of chosen ones who will rule with Jesus. So, what of it. Those that don't rule with Jesus still inherit the kingdom and are children/sons/daughters of Jehovah. He is their heavenly father. And since Jesus is Jehovah's son/child then he is brother to all, not just to his chosen.

And yes, 'creation' (which the chosen ones are part of) is expected to be revealed as children of God. But saying 'creation' is 'waiting with eager expectation for the revealing of the sons of God', isn't like mankind are waiting around wondering who will rule with Jesus. It means that they really want to get to that point because that is when the 1,000 years will begin, and they will be set free from living under Satan's world.

2 Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is.

20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope 21 that the creation itself will also be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God.
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In the spirit of 2 Timothy 3:16, Romans 3:4, Acts 17:11 and allowing the Bible to interpret itself, when is the revelation of Jesus from heaven mentioned in verse 7?

6 This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you. 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.

Is the second time that he appears that said revelation of his?
 
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