In person meetings resume...Russia's invasion of Ukraine...

[jay]

Thank you....I'm trying to give credit where credit is due, and also make light of tough times. "Laugh or cry."

I'm going to make a post soon, maybe tonight about how ridiculous the idea of the GT starting the way WT claims from my own reasoning based on observations and Scriptures...many of which I won't be able to quote exactly or even know where they are...(but I can find them).... LOL...But I think it will give us all a perspective that's just obvious, from the thinking of my someone who just breaks things down to there smallest parts.

Nomex, Robert has probably done this. Brooklyn Kevin would be able to give you a full list of where to find them.

 

[jay]

Sister Asadour, One of the many things I love about you is that you are authentic. You are uniquely you and you don’t hide your opinions, your frailties, your talents and your PUG!! You are so lovable because you are the real you!

I enjoy reading Kims thoughts they can be both serious and funny. Driven you are much the same as Kim. You speak your peace in a kind manner but you can also be point blank and very clear. That is why I love Roberts writings so much. Clear, understandable, common sense and loving. I can understand this type of writing.

 

[The God Pill]

An elder outright said in a zoom field service meeting this morning that physical memorial attendance can't be open to the public this year because that would make it harder for them to exclude the unvaccinated from physical attendance I responded by saying that if we preach informally inviting people to the memorial making vaccination a prerequisite of attendance we are as much pharmakeia pushers as evangelizers.

 

[JTK]

Oh a related note-I did my own Mask experiment quite by accident last week-I was doing a DIY project using Black Spray Paint. I decided to use an N-95 and glasses while I was using the spray paint. Not to go into any gross details but there was clear proof that the Black spray paint particles made their way into my sinuses .

SO masking is merely Virtue Signaling in my opinion and now I have my own proof because perhaps all the other Scientific Studies were "Unreliable" since CNN or Fauci did not promote them.

Really curious to hear if they will require them at meetings!

i have to undergo a "face fit" for work, because we sometimes need to cut materiels that discharge dangerous praticles into the air
in short it is an experiment to ascertain what type of face mask is suitable for a person.
it involves wearing a recommended mask for such activities connected via a tube to a computerised measurement device and then using a particle generator in an enclosed room to pump harmless particles into the air.
i then have to do light excercises like stepping up and down and head and body movements to drive the respiratory system
whilst doing so the computer measures the particles ratio in the room to inside the mask and either approves or rejects the fit.
the Guy who carrys out these tests says that face masks are all but useless if they fail this test


if we fail the test we have to get cosmetic surgery to make the mask fit better,
John

 

[Jess]

An elder outright said in a zoom field service meeting this morning that physical memorial attendance can't be open to the public this year because that would make it harder for them to exclude the unvaccinated from physical attendance I responded by saying that if we preach informally inviting people to the memorial making vaccination a prerequisite of attendance we are as much pharmakeia pushers as evangelizers.

Wow! He really said to "exclude the unvaccinated"?! I liked your response

My dad went to a funeral in Texas last week and they gave an announcement outside the church that "If you are unvaccinated, we request that you wear your mask and that you enter though a different entrance and sit in a private viewing room" (the room for breast feeding mothers and young children) My dad bucked that and refused to attend the funeral.(the gentlemen who died had all 3 shots and died of Covid in the hospital). I wonder if they would try something like this at Kingdom Halls!

 

[Jess]

When it comes to spray painting, a respirator is what is needed. Particle masks like the N-95 or cloth versions don't cut it, not even if you double, triple or quadruple mask! You never see an auto painter wearing a particle mask when he paints a car nor do you ever see a cabinet finisher spray lacquer on newly manufactured cabinets without wearing a respirator. Both scenarios are dangerous without proper protection. You are absolutely correct Sister Jess, the masks are about power and control and virtue signaling at its worst. Thank you for performing your Test and reporting your findings LOL! @Nomex Brother Nomex has all the data on masks and respirators.

Ha! Good points there! I guess I will purchase a respirator for the next plandemic, maybe even to wear to the KH? What if all of us unvaccinated showed up with Hazard Suits and Respirators to the halls? That would make a statement! (Not that we need to make a statement. Jehovah will take care of this for us. He will Set Matters Straight!).

 

[SusanB]

An elder outright said in a zoom field service meeting this morning that physical memorial attendance can't be open to the public this year because that would make it harder for them to exclude the unvaccinated from physical attendance I responded by saying that if we preach informally inviting people to the memorial making vaccination a prerequisite of attendance we are as much pharmakeia pushers as evangelizers.

Wow, wow, wow!!! Speechless.

 

[SpicySpice]

An elder outright said in a zoom field service meeting this morning that physical memorial attendance can't be open to the public this year because that would make it harder for them to exclude the unvaccinated from physical attendance I responded by saying that if we preach informally inviting people to the memorial making vaccination a prerequisite of attendance we are as much pharmakeia pushers as evangelizers.

So they want to exclude the big bad unvaccinated from the memorial huh? "Keep doing this in remembrance of me" don't remember Jesus saying, but only if you've had your 'vaccine'. How sad, but typical, I'm not surprised. Good response, TGP, if I may ask, what did the Elder have to say in response to that, if anything?

 

[The God Pill]

So they want to exclude the big bad unvaccinated from the memorial huh? "Keep doing this in remembrance of me" don't remember Jesus saying, but only if you've had your 'vaccine'. How sad, but typical, I'm not surprised. Good response, TGP, if I may ask, what did the Elder have to say in response to that, if anything?

He was silent for around 8 seconds then a ministerial servant came back to the zoom meeting that was probably using the restroom past few minute and asked what he missed. No one mentioned what I said so while I was heard by people there was never a verbal response to my statement

 

[surfergirl]

An elder outright said in a zoom field service meeting this morning that physical memorial attendance can't be open to the public this year because that would make it harder for them to exclude the unvaccinated from physical attendance I responded by saying that if we preach informally inviting people to the memorial making vaccination a prerequisite of attendance we are as much pharmakeia pushers as evangelizers.

Thank you! God Pill, - I know Jehovah must have made you speak up, and I do hope those listening really think about your words of truth! It's sad so many are "mind-controlled" by the gb.

 

[SpicySpice]

He was silent for around 8 seconds then a ministerial servant came back to the zoom meeting that was probably using the restroom past few minute and asked what he missed. No one mentioned what I said so while I was heard by people there was never a verbal response to my statement

Wow. They know you're correct most likely. Good on you for speaking up

 

[SpicySpice]

I just had an idea Since we are a bunch of unclean lepers let's celebrate the Memorial together. I have the bread recipe, I'm sure you all do too, we can go out and get our wine, figure out what scriptures we will read the day of, and have our own Memorial. LoL

 

[Nomex]

This was a clear issue of bloodguilt for me. I told them that in my letter.

It is obvious to me that many know this yet choose to ignore it. When they say, things like, "well if I die (from the vaccine) I'll be resurrected." So they acknowledge with statements like that, that the vaccines are not safe, and that the reason they are doing it is because they are obeying the GB. Which to me is such hypocrisy. The circular logic of the whole thing is absolutely maddening. On the one hand they use the Bible as their "authentication" of identifying the GB as the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and then ignore any scripture that might challenge that notion. Why do we study the Bible and read scriptures at the meetings if the idea is "we prove to ourselves the truth", in we are going to be selective in what scriptures we use.

This has always been puzzling to me as it has not just been done with the vaccine issue. I was willing to overlook it before, but this crossed the line for me.

 

[SusanB]

It is obvious to me that many know this yet choose to ignore it. When they say, things like, "well if I die (from the vaccine) I'll be resurrected." So they acknowledge with statements like that, that the vaccines are not safe, and that the reason they are doing it is because they are obeying the GB. Which to me is such hypocrisy. The circular logic of the whole thing is absolutely maddening. On the one hand they use the Bible as their "authentication" of identifying the GB as the Faithful and Discreet Slave, and then ignore any scripture that might challenge that notion. Why do we study the Bible and read scriptures at the meetings if the idea is "we prove to ourselves the truth", in we are going to be selective in what scriptures we use.

This has always been puzzling to me as it has not just been done with the vaccine issue. I was willing to overlook it before, but this crossed the line for me.

Hi Nomex, What I’ve been thinking about recently is how many rules they have made that we previously just complied with. Giving honor to those taking the lead. I’m thinking that just as Jehovah allowed the Israelites to institute some things that were never from him, for example divorce, washing the hands up to the elbows, plural marriage, etc., perhaps he has just ALLOWED them to make all of these rules they have. Anyway, it’s a thought I have been having that many of their rules, counting time etc. are just traditions of men.

 

[Nomex]

i have to undergo a "face fit" for work,

The funny thing about this, (not sure if you're in the States), but OSHA are the ones who regulate this, and some of these regulations are Federal law. The Federal Government knows full well what "masks" can and cannot do. When it comes to automotive finishes, if you are spraying in a paint booth, OSHA requires by law, your employer to provide a PAPR, (Powered Air Purifying Respirator) which depending on the filters, is the same respirator type used for Hazmat. The reason you have to use a PAPR, or better yet a "Fresh Air System", which actually brings air to your mask from a "clear area, outside the painting area is because their are certain particulates that are so small only special respirators remove them so it is safe to breathe that contaminated air.

Again, the government knows full well. They have had regulations, on the books for decades. The Mandatory Medical Evaluation is required by law. Requiring anyone to where a "mask" as a filter is breaking "Caesars Law." Mandates are not law! And even if the mandates are law, why are they disregarding the law that's been on the books for forty years.

So when I know all this, because I have studied it because of what I do for a living, some jackass comparing covering your mouth when you sneeze, to wearing a "hanky" over your mouth and nose all day, is not just insulting, it's clearly insincere. I cannot unknown what some jerk tells me to do, when I have studied the facts for over 20 years, prior to this nonsense. When someone who knows NOTHING about masks and respirators is telling you to disregard something, when they know less than nothing about it, is beyond the pale, of arrogance. And then they took it one step further with the vaccine. (Something else I have studied for a very long time.) If they are not going to be honest about the mask, and cannot be bothered to spend 5 minutes doing a tiny amount of research, why would I listen to anything else they say? This was the final betrayal by the GB for me!!!

To talk down to me about this, when as soon as they open their mouths it's obvious they are lying, it's just remarkable. It's like they do not care who knows they are lying, as long as those who do not know they are lying continue to listen to them. And that is exactly what Satan has been doing for thousands of years.

 

[SusanB]

The funny thing about this, (not sure if you're in the States), but OSHA are the ones who regulate this, and some of these regulations are Federal law. The Federal Government knows full well what "masks" can and cannot do. When it comes to automotive finishes, if you are spraying in a paint booth, OSHA requires by law, your employer to provide a PAPR, (Powered Air Purifying Respirator) which depending on the filters, is the same respirator type used for Hazmat. The reason you have to use a PAPR, or better yet a "Fresh Air System", which actually brings air to your mask from a "clear area, outside the painting area is because their are certain particulates that are so small only special respirators remove them so it is safe to breathe that contaminated air.

Again, the government knows full well. They have had regulations, on the books for decades. The Mandatory Medical Evaluation is required by law. Requiring anyone to where a "mask" as a filter is breaking "Caesars Law." Mandates are not law! And even if the mandates are law, why are they disregarding the law that's been on the books for forty years.

So when a know all this, because I have studied it because of what I do for a living, some jackass comparing covering your mouth when you sneeze, to wearing a "hanky" over your mouth and nose all day, is not just insulting, it's clearly insincere. I cannot unknown what some jerk tells me to do, when I have studied the facts for over 20 years, prior to this nonsense. When someone who knows NOTHING about masks and respirators is telling you to disregard something, when they know less than nothing about it, is beyond the pale, of arrogance. And then they took it one step further with the vaccine. (Something else I have studied for a very long time.) If they are not going to be honest about the mask, and cannot be bothered to spend 5 minutes doing a tiny amount of research, why would I listen to anything else they say? This was the final betrayal by the GB for me!!!

To talk down to me about this, when as soon as they open their mouths it's obvious they are lying, it's just remarkable. It's like they do not care who knows they are lying, as long as those who do not know they are lying continue to listen to them. And that is exactly what Satan has been doing for thousands of years.

Such a smart post. Thank you.

 

[Nomex]

perhaps he has just ALLOWED them to make all of these rules they have.

This is clearly how I have understood many things they have been doing for decades, and the fact was, I was okay with it, for the very reason you pointed out, but just like the Jewish leaders reaching the point where they had gone too far, we have to understand, there had to be Jews living who had come to understand this, and why so many readily followed Jesus. The whole "Elders appointed by Holy Spirit" thing...so Jehovah appointed Stasi to Elder positions? No, they use the Bible as their guide, but it is still done by imperfect men, who as I point out, it is impossible for them not to make mistakes. Again, it is arrogance that allows them to make such sweeping claims!

 

[Ireneo]

It is obvious that the GB does not have good arguments
That's why I invent that you have to obey without questioning or understanding
Clearly that contradicts scripture
Jesus said "if a blind man leads another, they will both fall into a pit"
In other words "don't blindly follow anyone
Paul said that Jehovah expects us to offer our bodies along with the "power of reason"
Also the whole scripture serves so that the man of God is competent for EVERY WORK
There is no text that supports the idea of blind obedience
And if they use Moses or some prophet ALWAYS in the stories they received divine instructions
I mean they were inspired
Even Jesus said that if we are sick we go to the doctor
Was Christ wrong and was actually talking about the GB?

 

[Joe MacTeeg]

Some got it before the gb endorsements because they didn't know there was a worldwide scheme going on and they fell into the trap that was set for all mankind. I know a member who got the jab, now suffering side effects. She is one of the many who will no longer attend this forum, and have left of their own choice, they were not banned, but they've left because of certain wolf-like personalities. Their names are not disclosed to protect the innocent.
The compassion, or lack thereof, on the part of some is quite frankly, jawdropping.
I noted the heavy editing of one of the posts after this post. Well, at least that appears a bit more compassionate.

Your post is from yesterday morning, and you just edited it again for how many times now? Soon it will be unrecognizable. And you lied about me editing my reply. All can see my replies were not edited. This is deceptive in the extreme. I call it out once more. And you still refuse to answer the question, which many want to know: "Are you the same person who was posting as "BibleStudent"?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Don’t know, In my cong there is a cleaning team that checks on mail weekly and does a clean so it will be as usual but returning to meetings no hit of that here in U.K. Many of the bros have concluded that door to door work won’t resume. I am not happy about this at all. We will have to wait and see.

The Watchtower spoksman stated in a news interview that even if the door to door work could be resumed, it probably will not because in the last 10 years there has been a marked decline in results in the door to door ministry. They say there have been more good results in the current methods being used that from the door to door ministry.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Your post is from yesterday morning, and you just edited it again for how many times now? Soon it will be unrecognizable. And you lied about me editing my reply. All can see my replies were not edited. This is deceptive in the extreme. I call it out once more. And you still refuse to answer the question, which many want to know: "Are you the same person who was posting as "BibleStudent"?

Yes, I edited my post today, I confess, I did edit my post this morning, to further clarify a point made. I didn't realize that it was a crime to edit a post on this forum.

It can be very clearly seen by anyone who is interested (boring) that my edit consisted of adding the following words" there was a worldwide scheme going on and they fell into the trap that was set for all mankind" following the words "they didn't know".

 

[Joe MacTeeg]

Yes, I edited my post today, I confess, I did edit my post this morning, to further clarify a point made. I didn't realize that it was a crime to edit a post on this forum.

It can be very clearly seen by anyone who is interested (boring) that my edit consisted of adding the following words" there was a worldwide scheme going on and they fell into the trap that was set for all mankind" following the words "they didn't know".

And will you answer the question as to if you are BibleStudent?

 

[CyndiaS]

An elder outright said in a zoom field service meeting this morning that physical memorial attendance can't be open to the public this year because that would make it harder for them to exclude the unvaccinated from physical attendance I responded by saying that if we preach informally inviting people to the memorial making vaccination a prerequisite of attendance we are as much pharmakeia pushers as evangelizers.

So I'm wondering if that means, at least for the Memorial this year, that the GB has not as of yet, instructed congregation elders to allow vaxxed only to attend the in-person Memorial? Also, how did the brother respond to your comment? And by "evangelizers" do you mean the "Evangelical" denomination (

 

[The God Pill]

So I'm wondering if that means, at least for the Memorial this year, that the GB has not as of yet, instructed congregation elders to allow vaxxed only to attend the in-person Memorial? Also, how did the brother respond to your comment? And by "evangelizers" do you mean the "Evangelical" denomination (

No connection it's simply a valid synonym for preaching/ers the society doesn't mind using , I was clear circumstances were such there wasn't a response I can't say I know with certainty exactly what plotting is afoot at local branch and global levels he didn't use the word exclude specifically but indicated it was important to identify vaxed and unvaxxed and admit only the former to physical attendance. I didn't hear anything about it being hybrid meeting with zoom or not. I was a half hour late to the zoom field service so specifics are I'm subpar supply.

 

[יהוה_saves]

So I'm wondering if that means, at least for the Memorial this year, that the GB has not as of yet, instructed congregation elders to allow vaxxed only to attend the in-person Memorial? Also, how did the brother respond to your comment? And by "evangelizers" do you mean the "Evangelical" denomination (

The GB looks for opportunities to confuse JWs by implications and by nuanced language, They put in the pilot program letter to elders that the program would only be open to double vaxxed and their double vaxxed children if any. Why would it be any different for the Memorial?

@The God Pill my edit: actually- i don’t understand why it’s even an issue at all. If you’re vaxxed fine, if you’re not fine. What’s the problem? why are they doing this?