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Asadour said:
The GB looks for opportunities to confuse JWs by implications and by nuanced language, They put in the pilot program letter to elders that the program would only be open to double vaxxed and their double vaxxed children if any. away would it be any different for the Memorial?
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Honestly they acted like even they weren't completely in the loop still anticipating those "additional instructions"
 
Nomex said:
The funny thing about this, (not sure if you're in the States), but OSHA are the ones who regulate this, and some of these regulations are Federal law. The Federal Government knows full well what "masks" can and cannot do. When it comes to automotive finishes, if you are spraying in a paint booth, OSHA requires by law, your employer to provide a PAPR, (Powered Air Purifying Respirator) which depending on the filters, is the same respirator type used for Hazmat. The reason you have to use a PAPR, or better yet a "Fresh Air System", which actually brings air to your mask from a "clear area, outside the painting area is because their are certain particulates that are so small only special respirators remove them so it is safe to breathe that contaminated air.

Again, the government knows full well. They have had regulations, on the books for decades. The Mandatory Medical Evaluation is required by law. Requiring anyone to where a "mask" as a filter is breaking "Caesars Law." Mandates are not law! And even if the mandates are law, why are they disregarding the law that's been on the books for forty years.

So when I know all this, because I have studied it because of what I do for a living, some jackass comparing covering your mouth when you sneeze, to wearing a "hanky" over your mouth and nose all day, is not just insulting, it's clearly insincere. I cannot unknown what some jerk tells me to do, when I have studied the facts for over 20 years, prior to this nonsense. When someone who knows NOTHING about masks and respirators is telling you to disregard something, when they know less than nothing about it, is beyond the pale, of arrogance. And then they took it one step further with the vaccine. (Something else I have studied for a very long time.) If they are not going to be honest about the mask, and cannot be bothered to spend 5 minutes doing a tiny amount of research, why would I listen to anything else they say? This was the final betrayal by the GB for me!!!

To talk down to me about this, when as soon as they open their mouths it's obvious they are lying, it's just remarkable. It's like they do not care who knows they are lying, as long as those who do not know they are lying continue to listen to them. And that is exactly what Satan has been doing for thousands of years.
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LDC works VERY strictly under OSHA requirements, including their mask requirements. They sre very proud of their exemplary OSHA compliance, even exceeding their requirements at times. I have several family members who work in LDC. My point being: they are totally aware of these requirements, and I know of LDC members writing to society about this exact topic. No way they are ignorant. 😠
 
Asadour said:
The GB looks for opportunities to confuse JWs by implications and by nuanced language, They put in the pilot program letter to elders that the program would only be open to double vaxxed and their double vaxxed children if any. Why would it be any different for the Memorial?
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Yeah, good question. Dk why it would be any different. 🤷 🤔
 
The God Pill said:
No connection 😆 it's simply a valid synonym for preaching/ers the society doesn't mind using , I was clear circumstances were such there wasn't a response I can't say I know with certainty exactly what plotting is afoot at local branch and global levels he didn't use the word exclude specifically but indicated it was important to identify vaxed and unvaxxed and admit only the former to physical attendance. I didn't hear anything about it being hybrid meeting with zoom or not. I was a half hour late to the zoom field service so specifics are I'm subpar supply.
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I got the official "s"
forms on the hybrid meetings. Both the general hybrid guidelines, and the tech for the brothers handling the audio/video/zoom tie-in. I have nothing on Covid protocols yet. I believe the Covid protocols will be held close to the vest. They will give "confidential" direction to the elders, perhaps even by region, instead of blanket. They don't want to make public announcements on "vaccine" restrictions, so likely field service group overseers will "quietly" verify individual's jab status.

They just did this with the "cleaning" to get the Halls ready. It was on the sly, get volunteers by field service group. When I sent an email "inadvertantly" hitting cc for the entire group, LOL, I directly asked if one had to be "fully vaccinated" to clean the Hall. The reply from an elder was "yes."

The hybrid setup is camera only on stage. Neither commenters on zoom, nor in-person commenters will have video of them. Audio only. All on zoom must be muted so that they cannot turn on their own audio. Watchtower conductor and chairman must be in-person. Mid-week meeting parts can be zoom or in-person, but if a dual part, both must be on zoom, or both in-person. Friends can use their devices to "associate" with those on zoom, before and after meetings.

Again, on the Covid protocols, they have had so many leaked documents etc. that they are sometimes even just telling the CO, and then he tells the elders. Then group overseers "quietly" vet their group.......

With the cleaning prep for opening the Halls, it is "fully vaccinated only." LDC is "fully vaccinated only." With the world temporarily lifting some mandates, it is not clear yet if some regions might allow those not "fully vaccinated" into the Hall. We will see soon.

Personally, I am at the point that I would feel like I was giving my approval to this madness by setting my foot in the Kingdom Hall. No way. 😖
 
Joe MacTeeg said:
I got the official "s"
forms on the hybrid meetings. Both the general hybrid guidelines, and the tech for the brothers handling the audio/video/zoom tie-in. I have nothing on Covid protocols yet. I believe the Covid protocols will be held close to the vest. They will give "confidential" direction to the elders, perhaps even by region, instead of blanket. They don't want to make public announcements on "vaccine" restrictions, so likely field service group overseers will "quietly" verify individual's jab status.

They just did this with the "cleaning" to get the Halls ready. It was on the sly, get volunteers by field service group. When I sent an email "inadvertantly" hitting cc for the entire group, LOL, I directly asked if one had to be "fully vaccinated" to clean the Hall. The reply from an elder was "yes."

The hybrid setup is camera only on stage. Neither commenters on zoom, nor in-person commenters will have video of them. Audio only. All on zoom must be muted so that they cannot turn on their own audio. Watchtower conductor and chairman must be in-person. Mid-week meeting parts can be zoom or in-person, but if a dual part, both must be on zoom, or both in-person. Friends can use their devices to "associate" with those on zoom, before and after meetings.

Again, on the Covid protocols, they have had so many leaked documents etc. that they are sometimes even just telling the CO, and then he tells the elders. Then group overseers "quietly" vet their group.......

With the cleaning prep for opening the Halls, it is "fully vaccinated only." LDC is "fully vaccinated only." With the world temporarily lifting some mandates, it is not clear yet if some regions might allow those not "fully vaccinated" into the Hall. We will see soon.

Personally, I am at the point that I would feel like I was giving my approval to this madness by setting my foot in the Kingdom Hall. No way. 😖
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Thanks for keeping us up-to-date on this craziness, Joe!🤗
 
CyndiaS said:
very proud of their exemplary OSHA compliance, even exceeding their requirements at times.
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I commented on this earlier on also, thanks for the confirmation. I didn't know about the letters, but I think it's quite possible the truth is one of two things, the GB ignored this obvious fact, or they delegate so much out, that this issue has not even been brought to their attention. In either case I do not think they have a legitimate excuse, and how you can claim they are ignorant is at the very least a stretch.
CyndiaS said:
My point being: they are totally aware of these requirements, and I know of LDC members writing to society about this exact topic. No way they are ignorant.
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This just confirms how easy it is for them to lie. Not only that, as I forgot to mention in the previous comment, their is also medical evaluation form that is also required by law to be filled out and reviewed by a doctor, to determine if you are healthy enough to wear a respirator. And as I have also pointed out, if your claim and by "your" I mean the GB or anyone else who makes this lame excuse, if you claim the masks are not respirators, you again have condemned yourselves in your lie. You claim a face covering is some kind of filter, that is the definition of a respirator. So either it is a respirator and you obey the law concerning respirators, or if your claim is those laws do not apply because they are not respirators, well either way your a d*mn liar. If the law does not apply because it is not a respirator, then they do not do anything to filter out Covid no matter how much you'd like it too, or it is a respirator and you are required to obey established 40 year old safety laws and regulations. And children cannot legally wear a respirator, because a respirator has to be fitted properly, again that's the law, and no one has ever made child sized respirators.

This claim that they care about people, yeah they care what people think of their image, and that's all they really care about. But obviously they do not care about what actual JW's think, becasue they can just DF them. The best damage control method possible.
 
Joe MacTeeg said:
I got the official "s"
forms on the hybrid meetings. Both the general hybrid guidelines, and the tech for the brothers handling the audio/video/zoom tie-in. I have nothing on Covid protocols yet. I believe the Covid protocols will be held close to the vest. They will give "confidential" direction to the elders, perhaps even by region, instead of blanket. They don't want to make public announcements on "vaccine" restrictions, so likely field service group overseers will "quietly" verify individual's jab status.

They just did this with the "cleaning" to get the Halls ready. It was on the sly, get volunteers by field service group. When I sent an email "inadvertantly" hitting cc for the entire group, LOL, I directly asked if one had to be "fully vaccinated" to clean the Hall. The reply from an elder was "yes."

The hybrid setup is camera only on stage. Neither commenters on zoom, nor in-person commenters will have video of them. Audio only. All on zoom must be muted so that they cannot turn on their own audio. Watchtower conductor and chairman must be in-person. Mid-week meeting parts can be zoom or in-person, but if a dual part, both must be on zoom, or both in-person. Friends can use their devices to "associate" with those on zoom, before and after meetings.

Again, on the Covid protocols, they have had so many leaked documents etc. that they are sometimes even just telling the CO, and then he tells the elders. Then group overseers "quietly" vet their group.......

With the cleaning prep for opening the Halls, it is "fully vaccinated only." LDC is "fully vaccinated only." With the world temporarily lifting some mandates, it is not clear yet if some regions might allow those not "fully vaccinated" into the Hall. We will see soon.

Personally, I am at the point that I would feel like I was giving my approval to this madness by setting my foot in the Kingdom Hall. No way. 😖
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How do I celebrate the memorial at home the correct way without the KH or zoom?
 
jay said:
How do I celebrate the memorial at home the correct way without the KH or zoom?
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That is a great question. If one feels that the KH is doing it correctly, and can't physically go, or does not have zoom access, there is usually a phone tie-in as well. And one can get their own emblems if desired.

But, an entire bigger subject, is whether one accepts the way JW's celebrate the Memorial.

I think most important is how one personally views what Christ has done for us in giving his life. We can reflect deeply that evening on that, and Jehovah and Christ will bless us.
 
Joe MacTeeg said:
That is a great question. If one feels that the KH is doing it correctly, and can't physically go, or does not have zoom access, there is usually a phone tie-in as well. And one can get their own emblems if desired.

But, an entire bigger subject, is whether one accepts the way JW's celebrate the Memorial.

I think most important is how one personally views what Christ has done for us in giving his life. We can reflect deeply that evening on that, and Jehovah and Christ will bless us.
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Thank you very much Bro. Joe. That is what I have plans of doing but wondered if that was acceptable. I really don't want to go to the Hall with all of the possible rules and I have never zoomed.
 
Joe MacTeeg said:
That is a great question. If one feels that the KH is doing it correctly, and can't physically go, or does not have zoom access, there is usually a phone tie-in as well. And one can get their own emblems if desired.

But, an entire bigger subject, is whether one accepts the way JW's celebrate the Memorial.

I think most important is how one personally views what Christ has done for us in giving his life. We can reflect deeply that evening on that, and Jehovah and Christ will bless us.
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The only thing I would like to add to that is that we should all reflect on what Jesus has done for us, deeply, every day!
 
Driven said:
Hi Jess, I’m not sure about the talk part of the marking. But people can become marked. It comes from 2 Thessalonians 3:13-15: “For your part, brothers, do not give up in doing good. 14 But if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter, keep this one marked and stop associating with him, so that he may become ashamed. 15 And yet do not consider him an enemy, but continue admonishing him as a brother.”. What is means is that if someone is being rebellious or “walking disorderly” in the congregation and not obedient but hasn’t done anything warranting disfellowshipping, then he/she can become marked in that the friends just don’t associate socially. But they still participate in meetings and field service. The brothers can prevent that one from commenting at the meetings, but I think they have to publicly announce restrictions on that person if that happens, but I’m not sure. Actually, I haven’t seen it used or explained in a talk in many years. So, I’m not the best source for an explanation. Read the whole chapter for a better explanation.
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Ahhhh I had never heard of it. Thank you for explaining 😳
 
The God Pill said:
No connection 😆 it's simply a valid synonym for preaching/ers the society doesn't mind using , I was clear circumstances were such there wasn't a response I can't say I know with certainty exactly what plotting is afoot at local branch and global levels he didn't use the word exclude specifically but indicated it was important to identify vaxed and unvaxxed and admit only the former to physical attendance. I didn't hear anything about it being hybrid meeting with zoom or not. I was a half hour late to the zoom field service so specifics are I'm subpar supply.
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Sorry I misread the post. I get what you mean by "evangelizers" now. 👍
 
Yes at our Zoom meeting yesterday it was announced our first Sunday meeting will be at Kh 3rd April. Don’t need to be jabbed or mask wearing a personal choice, but recommend. Those doing items from platform can choose mask or not. Any rules by Caesar must be adhered too. Restrictions will continue with regard to field service and other use of Kh not permitted. Have you see my own web site http://www.christ2coming.org this is designed for interested people.
 
Please remember Saul . Our brothers are still our brothers, Jehovah’s orgnisation is still his chosen people since over 100 yrs he will discipline it in his own due time. Jesus after deliberately stumbling many disciples about eating human flesh, turned to Peter and said ‘are you not going also’ what did Peter say, ‘where too’. Peter did not leave, we must endure. Or Satan wins.
 
Joe MacTeeg said:
The implication was unmistakable. If I were to share in being part of endorsing these injections and mandates, leading to the demise of children even..........it was as serious as when Moses told those families to step away and separate themselves. Before the earth opened and swallowed them up.
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It is incomprehensible to me how anyone (especially) in a position of authority could tolerate what is being done as it relates to mandating the vax, and coercion to get the vax.

What is the way forward for the organization? How can people go along with this? Joe MacTeeg: Your faith and conviction are exemplary (from my view... that I am by no means exalting). Those complicit with this must repent... and I think in a public way due to the damage that is being done.
 
LifeLearning said:
It is incomprehensible to me how anyone (especially) in a position of authority could tolerate what is being done as it relates to mandating the vax, and coercion to get the vax.

What is the way forward for the organization? How can people go along with this? Joe MacTeeg: Your faith and conviction are exemplary (from my view... that I am by no means exalting). Those complicit with this must repent... and I think in a public way due to the damage that is being done.
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There will be ones to repent after they have been disciplined by Jehovah. But some will not and that is where you will find weeds.
 
JTK said:
how are they going to invite interested ones?
please come and join us in the Memorial, oh! but make sure your are fully vaxxed and wearing a mask if you choose to attend
oh and please bring confirmation of your vaccination status with you otherwise we cannot allow you to enter the kingdom hall
and please make sure all of your family who wish to come along do so also.
just as well they only have possesion to the keys for the Kingdom halls and not the Keys for the Kingdom of God
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This stance by those in a position of authority is about to stumble many seeking the truth.
 
LifeLearning said:
This stance by those in a position of authority is about to stumble many seeking the truth.
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Well. One would have to guess why they did it but it doesn’t look to me like it was to honor Jehovah, our Creator. According to the GB they did it to remain in the ”land of the living” and to be obedient to the superior authorities. But for me those don’t pass the smell test.
 
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"It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master."
 
Driven said:
Regarding the “strongly recommended“ masks, well you are slaves. You just thought you were slaves of Jehovah but now, other masters have taken control. They will tell you what to wear, what to think, what to say and what to do.
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Makes no sense to open up the halls but have everyone come in masked and not be able to see their faces, all breathing in the same air anyway. Anyone worried about getting covid could simply stay on zoom. I don't know how I feel about going in.
 
TruthLover said:
Makes no sense to open up the halls but have everyone come in masked and not be able to see their faces, all breathing in the same air anyway. Anyone worried about getting covid could simply stay on zoom. I don't know how I feel about going in.
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I don’t know if you have seen this video by Robert Hendricks, dated February 2, 2022. I’ll intro it a bit with my notes.

I guess they do math like the worldly politicians do. He said that the organization has grown by 3%. The annual statistics for 2021 show the average number of publishers was only up to .7% and that is after being down by .6% in 2020. Not sure what statistics he is using.

So, here are the highlights that I got from the video. The date that the public preaching and public meetings stopped was March 20, 2022. It’s nice to have that date. He said this decision has unified us and we are all on the same page. Setting up the virtual convention so soon is really a modern day miracle. I think he literally meant it was a miracle. He said the congregants are content, unified and peaceful.

I actually don’t know what to say except that it shows deception and that for those of us who are not unified with them and who are not in agreement, we do not matter one bit to them. It is all about the appearance and attracting new members

Listen for yourself:

 
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