In regards to homosexuality in the congregations.

PJ54

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Recently, I was talking to one the friends who works as a mechanic where he & his son were talking with me about where everything went downhill for the friends. It seems when the global congregation merge happened our congregation was dissolved & assimilated into the neighboring Halls. There was another brother I talked to, where he told me the whole ordeal threw many of the friends off. After, mentioning the matter I heard a younger brother (I don't know if he was one anymore after the merge) in our old congregation has passed away. The nature of the situation was cloudy but I learned that he got involved with the wrong crowd & dabbled into the "alternative way of life" along with drug use. Afterwards, I heard there were three younger sisters that were doing something similar & it became known. I remember the dad mentioning that the Org really needed to focus on the millennials & zoomers since the Org is starting to have mainly the older generations. It was a sad situation to hear but it now has me wonder how rampant is this & why the Society hasn't addressed this & tried to focus on the younger generations.
 

The God Pill

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Recently, I was talking to one the friends who works as a mechanic where he & his son were talking with me about where everything went downhill for the friends. It seems when the global congregation merge happened our congregation was dissolved & assimilated into the neighboring Halls. There was another brother I talked to, where he told me the whole ordeal threw many of the friends off. After, mentioning the matter I heard a younger brother (I don't know if he was one anymore after the merge) in our old congregation has passed away. The nature of the situation was cloudy but I learned that he got involved with the wrong crowd & dabbled into the "alternative way of life" along with drug use. Afterwards, I heard there were three younger sisters that were doing something similar & it became known. I remember the dad mentioning that the Org really needed to focus on the millennials & zoomers since the Org is starting to have mainly the older generations. It was a sad situation to hear but it now has me wonder how rampant is this & why the Society hasn't addressed this & tried to focus on the younger generations.
Honestly given the gender imbalance of brothers and sisters I had the impression with the vast increase in content meant to appeal to emotions over more cerebral persuasion that the org was consciously catering to sisters. I don't see the meetings as anything any more than multimedia anxiety medication for anyone with a low tolerance for cortisol a cultivated atmosphere of faux safe space. Modernizing the meetings with endless streams of electronic devices and videos isn't catering to old people and they have dozens of animated cartoons for children and whiteboard animations oriented toward older kids and teens. If anything I'd say it's the elderly, adult brothers and people of any age or gender that are hungry for depth/meat that aren't being catered to.
 

PJ54

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Honestly given the gender imbalance of brothers and sisters I had the impression with the vast increase in content meant to appeal to emotions over more cerebral persuasion that the org was consciously catering to sisters. I don't see the meetings as anything any more than multimedia anxiety medication for anyone with a low tolerance for cortisol a cultivated atmosphere of faux safe space. Modernizing the meetings with endless streams of electronic devices and videos isn't catering to old people and they have dozens of animated cartoons for children and whiteboard animations oriented toward older kids and teens. If anything I'd say it's the elderly, adult brothers and people of any age or gender that are hungry for depth/meat that aren't being catered to.
Yeah it does seem that the elderly are getting tossed aside since they can't do as much as they used to. I suppose there's an attempt at damage control all the while overlooking new problems. It's like the Org is a submarine & it went way too deep to the point it's slowly imploding on itself.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Recently, I was talking to one the friends who works as a mechanic where he & his son were talking with me about where everything went downhill for the friends. It seems when the global congregation merge happened our congregation was dissolved & assimilated into the neighboring Halls. There was another brother I talked to, where he told me the whole ordeal threw many of the friends off. After, mentioning the matter I heard a younger brother (I don't know if he was one anymore after the merge) in our old congregation has passed away. The nature of the situation was cloudy but I learned that he got involved with the wrong crowd & dabbled into the "alternative way of life" along with drug use. Afterwards, I heard there were three younger sisters that were doing something similar & it became known. I remember the dad mentioning that the Org really needed to focus on the millennials & zoomers since the Org is starting to have mainly the older generations. It was a sad situation to hear but it now has me wonder how rampant is this & why the Society hasn't addressed this & tried to focus on the younger generations.
I was under the impression that they were focusing on the younger generation. Maybe not the specific issues concerning younger generations?
 

Sunshower

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It just goes to show how disconnected the GB/org is to what is happening in the world. While they think they are “modern” by feeding the people animations and more interactive content, it really isn’t catered at anyone.

My mom is an elderly woman, she knows nothing of technology. The countless times she wasn’t able to log onto Zoom cause she had no clue what she was doing are endless.

Yet this reminds me of the talk from David Splane at last year’s convention. It was the bit after the first part of Daniel.
He said there are brothers and sisters who say that the folks at Bethel aren’t connected to the “real world” and the he made this sweeping motion with his arm and said “We don’t have to talk about those brothers anymore.”
I remember being so offended at that. I have had to care for my chronically ill husband for over 10 years, had to work fulltime and had to do the cleaning and administration at home. Really, David Splane, is your life like that in your monastery? I think not.

They have no clue. And they certainly don’t know what the young are going through, the indoctrination they get at school from the rainbow movement. Of course this is the parents problem to them. Like their meaningless articles at jw.org, they shout but don’t give a solution. Just throwing a few scriptures out there isn’t really productive or helpful.
 

PJ54

Well-known member
It just goes to show how disconnected the GB/org is to what is happening in the world. While they think they are “modern” by feeding the people animations and more interactive content, it really isn’t catered at anyone.

My mom is an elderly woman, she knows nothing of technology. The countless times she wasn’t able to log onto Zoom cause she had no clue what she was doing are endless.

Yet this reminds me of the talk from David Splane at last year’s convention. It was the bit after the first part of Daniel.
He said there are brothers and sisters who say that the folks at Bethel aren’t connected to the “real world” and the he made this sweeping motion with his arm and said “We don’t have to talk about those brothers anymore.”
I remember being so offended at that. I have had to care for my chronically ill husband for over 10 years, had to work fulltime and had to do the cleaning and administration at home. Really, David Splane, is your life like that in your monastery? I think not.

They have no clue. And they certainly don’t know what the young are going through, the indoctrination they get at school from the rainbow movement. Of course this is the parents problem to them. Like their meaningless articles at jw.org, they shout but don’t give a solution. Just throwing a few scriptures out there isn’t really productive or helpful.
I hear you. I live with my grandmother who struggles to use technology. I think many of the elderly have an understandable aversion to technology. It's something they weren't around most of their lives. Also, besides living with her my schizoaffective uncle is with us & it's a real challenge dealing with him. Plus, it doesn't help that I'm the only one in my family who learned the Truth. There isn't many things the Society has on the situations like these.
 

Nomex

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I think the fact is, they have really always been this way to a large degree. When I was really young I found a cigarette, If i was a teenager I was 13, but I might have been younger. I crawled under the house and "smoked it." I didn't inhale, all I really did was suck the smoke into my mouth and blow it back out. Back then, just being on the School you were treated like you were baptized. My dad found out about it, and took me to the elders and I was "privately reproved" even though I wasn't even baptized. When I think back on things like that and realize how completely absurd it was/is, it's still hard to believe. Any way, I came to realize many years later there is no "pouring oil on you head" They have one tool in their toolbox, and that is "reproof". And "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

None of it has really changed. The root of this problem is they are a bunch of snobs who look down their noses at the rest of us peasants. They have no real intent to "help" anyone if it requires anything like listening and making changes.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I think the fact is, they have really always been this way to a large degree. When I was really young I found a cigarette, If i was a teenager I was 13, but I might have been younger. I crawled under the house and "smoked it." I didn't inhale, all I really did was suck the smoke into my mouth and blow it back out. Back then, just being on the School you were treated like you were baptized. My dad found out about it, and took me to the elders and I was "privately reproved" even though I wasn't even baptized. When I think back on things like that and realize how completely absurd it was/is, it's still hard to believe. Any way, I came to realize many years later there is no "pouring oil on you head" They have one tool in their toolbox, and that is "reproof". And "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

None of it has really changed. The root of this problem is they are a bunch of snobs who look down their noses at the rest of us peasants. They have no real intent to "help" anyone if it requires anything like listening and making changes.
@Nomex

You see, that’s the kind of problems me and my husband handled. Those were situations for us as parents to take care of. Jehovah says that it’s our responsibility as parents to raise our children. But never would we cover for them if they would do something that was a gross sin against Jehovah.

But with minor issues such as yours or for example, my oldest child…my son was around 15 years old (he wasn’t baptized yet, but an unbaptized publisher) he also gave talks.
And one night while we were still getting ready for the meeting, he was already ready but for some reason he thought he’d help himself to a beer from the fridge. I happened to notice one missing and he was looking suspicious lol. Anyway, I looked at him straight in the eye and asked him if he drank that missing beer….he knew he was caught! We just handled it though. It never occurred to us to go to the elders. He was fine, never did it again.

With you smoking a cigarette… most kids will want to ‘try it out.’ I think my son, who I just mentioned, told me years later he tried it too. But he’s never smoked and still doesn’t.

We were never what you call strict parents, although sometimes kids can think otherwise 🙄
Anyway, we were not going to let those ‘snobs’ pass judgment on our children who they weren’t responsible for ….. we were. They really don’t want to help they just wanted to find a reason to correct you all the time.
 
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MickHewitt

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It just goes to show how disconnected the GB/org is to what is happening in the world. While they think they are “modern” by feeding the people animations and more interactive content, it really isn’t catered at anyone.

My mom is an elderly woman, she knows nothing of technology. The countless times she wasn’t able to log onto Zoom cause she had no clue what she was doing are endless.

Yet this reminds me of the talk from David Splane at last year’s convention. It was the bit after the first part of Daniel.
He said there are brothers and sisters who say that the folks at Bethel aren’t connected to the “real world” and the he made this sweeping motion with his arm and said “We don’t have to talk about those brothers anymore.”
I remember being so offended at that. I have had to care for my chronically ill husband for over 10 years, had to work fulltime and had to do the cleaning and administration at home. Really, David Splane, is your life like that in your monastery? I think not.

They have no clue. And they certainly don’t know what the young are going through, the indoctrination they get at school from the rainbow movement. Of course this is the parents problem to them. Like their meaningless articles at jw.org, they shout but don’t give a solution. Just throwing a few scriptures out there isn’t really productive or helpful.
Your right: They only want Caleb's icecream money by the looks!
 

PJ54

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My hall wasn’t effected by this. What exactly happened? was this a result of the kingdom hall sell offs?
In regards to the specifics, the three sisters came from the Spanish congregation & they were all best friends with each other. I got a vibe but I didn't want to jump to conclusions even though it was odd for them to come to ours since both congregations are at the same hall. As for the brother, he came from a single mother household & most of his brothers are half siblings. I believe there mom came into the Truth after having her children. As for his background I really don't know the details. I always was more on my own in regards to the associating with the friends (I've been a hermit my whole life, even before coming into the Truth).
 
Z

Zane

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I think the fact is, they have really always been this way to a large degree. When I was really young I found a cigarette, If i was a teenager I was 13, but I might have been younger. I crawled under the house and "smoked it." I didn't inhale, all I really did was suck the smoke into my mouth and blow it back out. Back then, just being on the School you were treated like you were baptized. My dad found out about it, and took me to the elders and I was "privately reproved" even though I wasn't even baptized. When I think back on things like that and realize how completely absurd it was/is, it's still hard to believe. Any way, I came to realize many years later there is no "pouring oil on you head" They have one tool in their toolbox, and that is "reproof". And "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail."

None of it has really changed. The root of this problem is they are a bunch of snobs who look down their noses at the rest of us peasants. They have no real intent to "help" anyone if it requires anything like listening and making changes.
If they followed Christ's instructions, then when a one-on-one didn't work, nor one or two more, then the issue should be brought to the congregation, not taken into secret back rooms to be privately judged. (Mt 18:15-17)

The Greek word for "congregation" is used several times in the Greek scriptures and it NEVER refers to the overseers or older men, but ALWAYS refers to the congregation itself.

Jesus was unjustly accused and condemned by a select few, and he didn't want that Jewish way of doing things to be how things are done in the Christian congregations.

Paul confronted Cephas one-on-one (Mt 18:15) and when that didn't work, and since it was already a public matter, he brought it before the congregation, as Christ commanded things to be done. (Ga 2:14)

Paul told the Corinthian congregation (2Co 1:1) that if someone "caused a sadness" (sinned) that a rebuke by the majority of the congregation was sufficient to deal with it. (2Co 2:5, 6)

And if someone questionable comes into the congregation, the whole congregation is to get involved. (1Co 14:24)
 

jay

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@Nomex

You see, that’s the kind of problems me and my husband handled. Those were situations for us as parents to take care of. Jehovah says that it’s our responsibility as parents to raise our children. But never would we cover for them if they would do something that was a gross sin against Jehovah.

But with minor issues such as yours or for example, my oldest child…my son was around 15 years old (he wasn’t baptized yet, but an unbaptized publisher) he also gave talks.
And one night while we were still getting ready for the meeting, he was already ready but for some reason he thought he’d help himself to a beer from the fridge. I happened to notice one missing and he was looking suspicious lol. Anyway, I looked at him straight in the eye and asked him if he drank that missing beer….he knew he was caught! We just handled it though. It never occurred to us to go to the elders. He was fine, never did it again.

With you smoking a cigarette… most kids will want to ‘try it out.’ I think my son, who I just mentioned, told me years later he tried it too. But he’s never smoked and still doesn’t.

We were never what you call strict parents, although sometimes kids can think otherwise 🙄
Anyway, we were not going to let those ‘snobs’ pass judgment on our children who they weren’t responsible for ….. we were. They really don’t want to help they just wanted to find a reason to correct you all the time.
There used to be a break between the public talk and the WT study so the friends could go out and have a puff. Then they were given 6 months to quit or your're "out of here".
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