I’m going to plop this here since it’s the closest topic for it. I originally wrote it for Dorothea, who has seen it already. But I had posted it on the other forum the very day it got shut down. I didn’t get the memo till after I posted it lol. I figured that perhaps others may get some benefit from it as well. I put a lot of work into it and it’s not gonna do much on the defunct forum now. So here goes:
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Hi Dorothea,
I totally resonate with you. I think most of us can say that there’s been things that never sat right, but we just pushed them aside. ‘I don’t really think that’s right, but what do I know? So whatever’
…again and again …and again. However, it’s a rising crescendo as of late. The GB pushing this vaccine, like I said was the last straw for me. My conscience is between me, Jehovah and Jesus. Jehovah has not authorized any man or group of men to override my conscience as to what I inject into my body. And each person individually has to decide that for themselves, not being coerced by anyone else. Yeah, that gets me fired up lol
But as for the hand gestures, there’s primarily two that I’ve noticed heavily. Disclaimer: I’m by no means an expert on this …I’ve just come across a lot of info over the years. I don’t dig too deeply into it because following the rabbit hole too far down only leads to one place …full on Satanism. I have no desire to get to know “the deep things of Satan” but I would definitely recommend that you do your own research on this. Just be aware that it’s a tough slog. Like any research, there’s so much information that you have to wade through to find out what you’re really after. But piercing the smokescreen as regards “the machinations of the devil” I find is worthwhile. A person has a harder time protecting themselves from that which they are unaware of. Invisibility is a great tool for all who love to deceive.
Back to business …The hand sign most prevalent is the Triple 6 (666, ok or perfect sign,
) The upright fingers are shown at varying degrees. Sometimes they are barely up, other times they are very upright. David Schafer loves using this. Sanderson will also use it. With Schafer it’s extremely obvious, but Sanderson uses it more on the sly. There was one talk, I think during the last convention?? that Schafer used pretty much only that gesture for every point he made, often using both hands. I had never seen it so blatantly prior. My husband and I just looked at each other in disbelief. My husband is more sceptical than I am but even he couldn’t dismiss it as ‘well maybe this, or maybe that’. It was that nonsensical and in your face.
The other prominent one is the Roc sign (making a triangle or pyramid shape with the hands) This one has many variations. But as used by WT representatives, it’s usually a straight up delta triangle …pretty easy to identify. When standing, its shown with arms hanging down fairly naturally, hands resting near lower half of torso. It gets more obviously unnatural the higher up on the torso they do this. When sitting, the triangle is usually formed in their lap. Branch representatives in interviews can often be seen doing this. Often times, it’s most prevalent at the beginning of a talk or part. However, these gestures are not always used in every part. It’s like the rings. Sometimes they wear them, sometimes not.
The key is being aware of the context in which the gesture is used. That’s the thing …does this gesture make sense? I’m sure you’ll agree that in your regular life with regular people, the Roc sign is rarely seen. It’s just not something that people do. The
is only used when people want to say something’s perfect. And even that is fairly rare. That is the context in regular life. Seeing it as a gesture all the time when they are not even talking about something being perfect is not normal. Especially with the knowledge that undesirable people attribute their own meanings to these gestures.
It can be hard to tell if someone is using a gesture completely genuinely or if it’s actually one of these signals. Nor is it necessarily possible to understand what the meaning is that they’ve attributed to that sign. Satan’s workers hijack all sorts of natural things to represent their disgusting symbolism, butterflies and rainbows being classic examples. But we don’t need to have full understanding of what they’re communicating to know that they are saying something with their hands. You don’t deny someone is speaking a foreign language just because you don’t understand what they are saying. Rather, that is the exact reason you believe that they are speaking a foreign language …you don’t understand the meaning of their words. Likewise, these gestures don’t make sense to the regular viewer. Genuine gestures contribute to more understanding. They accentuate what is actually meant by the speaker. Context is key.
So yeah, I’ve seen other signs but they aren’t as obvious nor nearly as common. It gets more difficult when efforts are made to disguise the gesture by inserting it in a context that seems to make sense. Usually this is where your gut tells you that something is still off. For example, in one of the updates, Sanderson did the hand over heart. He was using this in the context of caring for the brothers, which could indicate that this is genuine. However, his body language cues were off. It was a cold, robotic delivery. I didn’t get the feeling of any real warmth from him. So while his words provided the appropriate context, his “being” did not. That can often be excused by the nerves of an inexperienced speaker. But is that the case with Sanderson? He’s well used and quite comfortable up on the platform. Also, how normal is it for Sanderson to use this gesture? I’ve never noticed him using that gesture before. That doesn’t mean he never has, but it does show that it’s not a common gesture for him.
In an older update about how our brothers were doing in Russia, Lett invited Sanderson to share with the audience some information about how things were going. Immediately after saying that, Lett brought his pointer finger to his bottom lip for a split second while looking directly at Sanderson. According to my understanding, this indicates to be careful about what you say, aka keep some pertinent things quiet. Of course, a viewer is most likely going to immediately look at Sanderson to see what he has to say, thus missing Lett’s quick gesture …not that they would pick up on its meaning even if they did catch it. It easily gets dismissed as ‘perhaps his lip was itchy’. Perhaps, perhaps not. It’s interesting that I looked further and found a picture of Sanderson with the brothers in Russia. Sanderson wasn’t throwing any gestures for the camera but a man on the far left of the group was. It was the Roc sign. I, also, found a video in a Russian court room and I believe that Sanderson directed the Roc sign at the judge. Interestingly enough again, I seen Geoffrey Jackson doing the same when he testified before the Australian Royal Commission. Look it up, it’s VERY interesting to see how our representatives acted in those court proceedings, besides the Roc sign I caught. I quite honestly felt very ashamed to be a JW after seeing that footage.
But as you can see with these other “sightings”, I cannot be dogmatic in the least. These are instances that triggered my “spidey senses” but no, I can’t prove it concretely. Neither would I try to argue that those are without doubt definite instances of Masonic hand gestures. Each person that analyzes those scenes may have a different take on it. To know for sure would require a lot more hard evidence that none of us have. We just can’t know for sure.
Part 2 is next
When you watch the broadcasts, you may notice how the speaker sitting at the desk often places both his hands on the Bible. Different brothers do it, but they do it the same. I always thought it was a little odd …but whatever (as usual lol) Then I came across some information that was talking about placing hands on the Bible in the Masonic Lodge and it had a picture. Now I’ve never been to a Masonic meeting nor do I wish to attend one. I also can’t remember whether it was done in a ritual or just a regular occurrence in a meeting. But that reminded me of what I had noticed the brothers on the Broadcast doing that I had felt seemed odd. Anyways, take it as you will and do your own research
