Is The Man Of Lawlessness Forgiven, If he Repents??

Hi, can someone clarify if this man of lawlessness is supposed to be forgiven IF he repents ??

I am really confused because I thought the counterfeit wheat is "bundled up and burned" ?


Revelation speaks about those anointed ones being more or less forgiven IF they repent on Christ's return ?

Thanks
 

PJ54

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Hello! These articles might be of help!
 
Hi, can someone clarify if this man of lawlessness is supposed to be forgiven IF he repents ??

I am really confused because I thought the counterfeit wheat is "bundled up and burned" ?


Revelation speaks about those anointed ones being more or less forgiven IF they repent on Christ's return ?

Thanks
Hi there,


Thanks you so much for the links.


Firstly, I understand whom or what the identity of 'the man of lawlessness' is.


I am just lost, and I can't understand IF 'he' is permanently punished or destroyed, WITHOUT forgiveness according to some Bible scriptures and Robert's articles. Or, very confusingly on the other hand, like in Revelation where Jesus warns UNLESS they repent of their sins they will not be forgiven??

Is Revelation application for the composite man of lawlessness ?


Are those anointed ones in Revelation being warned to repent or else..face punishment, EXACTLY same identy as the composite man of lawlessness? Or is Revelation's repent warning refering to the innocent bunch of naive GENUINE anointed ones, whom DID NOT realise that there is 'a man of lawlessness' amongst them ?? I hope my question is understandable ?


Are those who make up the composite man of lawlessness given a second chance PROVIDED they repent or, does Jesus offer to forgive strictly applies to the naive innocent other anointed ones, who failed to see or recognise thus, followed the evil seed sown amongst them ?


I'm still confused and would be grateful for your kind straight forward answer, please. This is much appreciated.


Many thanks
 
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DR74minus

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I suspect that the MOL will be forgiven "IF" he repents. Only Jehovah knows if he will repent or not.

Jesus did say that one would be given many strokes ( Death) the other a few stroke ( Life )

But I think you already answered your own question. If not yet then those articles will help.

If not then I can't help you.

Cheers.
 
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Truth_Seeker

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"For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned". Hebrews 6:4‭-‬8

"No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. And you know what restrains him now, so that he will be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is removed. Then that lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will eliminate with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not accept the love of the truth so as to be saved. For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness." 2 Thessalonians 2:3‭-‬4‭, ‬6‭-‬12

The answer is no. Judah repented but it didn't help because there was no forgiveness for him. Then he went and hunged himself.
 

DR74minus

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Judas did show remorse but was he truly repentant? The record does not show that he asked Jesus or Jehovah for forgiveness. He did acknowledge to the priests that he made a bad call and tried to give the money back.
As far a the MOL Jehovah will be the judge.
 
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BagdadBill

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7 times 7 times. God has all the time in the world and patience that I could never be capable of. Be joyous that I am not God because I can't even imagine his patience and mercy on us. I would have nuked the place a long time ago. I do enjoy when people make mention of forgiveness.. Let's test my big talk.
Ted Bundy, Jeffery Epstein and Charles Manson are sitting on a park bench and you walk by. Your brain recollects what you recall of the three.
How much will God forgive? I don't honestly know. If you think you know the answer, ask yourself if you would forgive yourself for your sins and remember, someone likely has equal or greater sins than you and might be forgiven when that time come.
Will you sin against Jehovah and question his mercy? I play both sides of this in my mind. The want of forgiveness of my sins and they are many but also the recollection that possibly there is someone who could repent and receive a greater gift from God of mercy.
I guess I'm rambling again but think about it. We are a speck of dust.
 

Truth_Seeker

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21. "Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord,did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!" Matt. 7
41. "The Son of man will send his angels, and they will collect out from his Kingdom all things that cause stumbling and people who practice lawlessness, 42 and they will pitch them into the fiery furnace.h There is where their weeping and the gnashing of their teeth will be." Matt. 13
 
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Truth_Seeker

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2 However, brothers, ccerning the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be alarmed either by an inspired statement or by a spoken message or by a letter appearing to be from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here.3 Let no one lead you astray* in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first 4. and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,* so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you, I used to tell you these things?6 And now you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he will be revealed in his own due time. 7 True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint is out of the way. 8 Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence. 9 But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan+ with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders* 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved." 2 Thes. 2

The bible appears to show that the man of lawlessness knew God before went into rebellion. If we talk about the lawlessness practiced before knowing Jehovah that's different.
 

LuisMerino9412

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Hi, can someone clarify if this man of lawlessness is supposed to be forgiven IF he repents ??

I am really confused because I thought the counterfeit wheat is "bundled up and burned" ?


Revelation speaks about those anointed ones being more or less forgiven IF they repent on Christ's return ?

Thanks
The man of lawlessness is not part of the anointed. He pretends, fakes to be part of the anointed, but he's not. He's truly part of the seed of Satan, not Jesus' or God's. He's permitted to be among the anointed because he will be part of the test the anointed and many others must go through. He's part of the weeds mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 13. He's the foremost part of the weeds, of Satan's seed among the anointed. He will never EVER repent because he's doing Satan's work. He's part of Satan's plans. He will be destroyed by Jesus himself when He comes back. He will probably be destroyed at Armageddon or before. He might think now that nothing will happen or if it happens everything will worth it (even his death), that's Satanists thinking in some way. But when everything crumbles down and Jesus comes back, he will indeed know that he will be destroyed and will weep and gnash his teeth knowing his fate is sealed. He will then join the beast and will persecute the chosen ones (just like Judas did). At the end, maybe some of the individuals that make part of him might show some kind of regret or feel guilt (like Judas), but no forgiveness will be given to them, no chance to repent. Tragically, they will have sinned against the holy spirit, and will be destroyed forever. I personally think that some individuals will never EVER show any kind of guilt or repentance. Many of Satan's servants are psychopaths and these people do not feel any shame or regret or guilt. How will they feel or behave when the end is upon them? Will they try to find death perhaps just like Judas and Revelation 9 shows? We will have to wait for that and see. But one thing is certain, they will be destroyed in the worst way possible (just like Judas and Revelation shows).
The book of Jude even shows that these individuals have already received the second death sentence.
"These are the rocks hidden below water at your love feasts while they feast with you, shepherds who feed themselves without fear; waterless clouds carried here and there by the wind; fruitless trees in late autumn, having died twice and having been uprooted; wild waves of the sea that cast up the foam of their own shame; stars with no set course, for which the blackest darkness stands reserved forever".
 
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Hi All,


Sorry I haven't been back online since posting my last question, to check all your replies.


Thanks so much for your responses.


I'm grateful on that the majority of your clarifications is, that MOL is NOT forgiven !


I realise Rev 2.5 being told to repent is the congregation of Ephesus, which I'm guessing in symbolic Ephesus, not literal. But I need and want to understand more background to Rev 2 . 1- 5 on what leads up to the request for repentance.


I would be grateful if you can at all ? Send me link offering me better into this specific area of Rev 2. 1-5.


Many many thanks once again, all.
 

DR74minus

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Hi All,


Sorry I haven't been back online since posting my last question, to check all your replies.


Thanks so much for your responses.


I'm grateful on that the majority of your clarifications is, that MOL is NOT forgiven !


I realise Rev 2.5 being told to repent is the congregation of Ephesus, which I'm guessing in symbolic Ephesus, not literal. But I need and want to understand more background to Rev 2 . 1- 5 on what leads up to the request for repentance.


I would be grateful if you can at all ? Send me link offering me better into this specific area of Rev 2. 1-5.


Many many thanks once again, all.

Welcome to the forum. You may or may not be aware that when the master arrives like a thief in the night and makes an unexpected inspection of his household. A faithful and an unfaithful slave will be identified. it seem to me that Revelation chapter two is highlighting the two aspects of Christ's congregation.

Seems to me that Jesus is talking to the faithful ones and commending them but at the same time he is pointing out their flaws Verse 3 "...you left the love you had..." verse 14 "...adhering to the teachings of Balaam, and Nicolaus..." Verse 20 "...you tolerate that woman jezebel..." Verses 24 - 29 he tells them what they must to get rewarded.

While Jesus says they must repent, I suspect he is talking to those who will repent and get a ( few strokes. ) The Balaam, Nicolaus, and Jezebel types in the congregation aka the MOL will likely be those who do not repent, ( get many strokes ) although the urge to repent is directed to them also. I suspect they will not repent.;
 
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