Jehovah’s Witnesses Mysteriously Delete Two Shunning Videos

[Liv4ever]

Videos don't just suddenly appear. Perhaps at least a year is involved in the process. Events on the world stage keep unfolding fast and furious, while the flow from the video department is just a trickle in comparison. Some are saying that the Vardy case and the situation in Norway come into play. Maybe so, but when you are dealing with feedback from 9 million directions, the big picture gets more complicated.

However it's noteworthy that the latest update opens announcing a more favorable relationship between Jehovah's witnesses and the government. This will offset any loss in Norway by a thousand fold.

 

[kenmuldoon55]

When you actually contrast what Jehovah has allowed his people to endure and what WT tries to stop people from enduring. Like I have pointed out, Jehovah did stop Satan from telling "his apostate driven lies" to Eve. He allowed the lie to be told, and how they reacted to the lie was the test. What WT does is the opposite. Jehovah allows us free will, WT does everything it can to remove our freewill. Just the fact that we can fellowship with our non-JW family, but if someone was baptized when they were 10-12 years old, and then decided later they do not want to be one of JW's, that somehow justifies shunning. There is no balance in the way WT handles DF'ing.

I also believe it is meant as a loyalty test. Loyalty to WT, not to Jehovah. The fact that they can get people to treat their own family this way, speaks volumes. It's another form of mind control, and it's something that effects a person ability to reason properly. My brother had accused me of something for years, which never made any sense to me because we both had the same information, and it was like he had made up his mind and facts didn't matter. For years I never corrected him because I couldn't figure out what he was talking about. Then finally I realized he believed something complete devoid of the facts, I explained the truth of the situation, and he acted like he was hearing it for the first time but he probably still believes his version of reality.

On another occasion a friend of mine had a retaliative die while DF'ed and I mentioned it to this one elder, and he said the person was not going to be resurrected because they were df'd at the time of their death.

Another time a family friend has two DF'd Kids, and one was in the hospital, and the daughter was trying to get a hold of her Mom, who was out of town staying with an Elder and his wife, and they would let the daughter talk to her Mom. The daughter called me, and I had to call the Mom.


You cannot ever convince me that this is a "loving provision." It's just one more thing imperfect and judgemental men in positions of power can abuse!

The fact that WT has become so desperate so as to entrust 12 year old children to make such a weighty decision namely, baptism, just to give the impression of organizational growth is beyond ludicrous.

 

[Neoluna]

Since the beginning of Covid and esp. the vaccine rollout this organization has been on a moronathon. Brothers and sisters have acted and treated each other in a way i would have never imagined over this experimental injection and it has festered and fractured the brotherhood all due to the fact the governing body will not take a day off from crazy. Clearly all of this is living proof of Jehovahs own words when he stated Satan was one of his wisest angels.

 

[Neoluna]

The fact that WT has become so desperate so as to entrust 12 year old children to make such a weighty decision namely, baptism, just to give the impression of organizational growth is beyond ludicrous.

Do the math and read the numbers in the annual reports. There is no growth in the organization, period. I would assume pointing out there own pathetic numbers to the gaslighted would also be tad amount to apostacy.

 

[Soul Sage]

Matthew 24:9-11. “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold."

That sounds exactly what happened, especially during the covid period. And whatever is to come next. Covid was just a precursor to what evil will come next. During that mass psychosis brainwashing experience of constant fake news even the GB wasn't immune to the fake news about vaccines and masking working. And then we have the department of INJUSTICE who defends criminals like Anthony Fauci and others for spreading fear mongering lies and saying covid started in nature when it was a lab leak. Which I believe was an intentional release. It came at the perfect time, during a U.S. election year and they had a SARS test phase panel a few months earlier and the man who invented the PCR rapid testing of covid, Kary Mullis who was in opposition to Anthony Fauci and even warns of their agenda. He somehow dies 2 months before covid is talked about on the news. And his PCR tests greatly manipulated testing worldwide when hospitals put the sensitivity levels for covid up high like they were told to do by protocol. So instead of testing for the covid 19 strand, the PCR test would test all other covid strands which is common in flus. And this mind shattered the public into believing the lies and manipulation of some of the most evil people in this world. It was a false sense of safety and security. And as a result, what do we see now? The love of many has grown cold. I see it now with Kingdom Halls not having the same in person attendance like before. But it's no better than in the world. With these weaponized agencies making up stories to convict and imprison their political opponents. It's no different than what Emperor Nero did to Rome. Blaming the great fire on Rome on Christians when it was planned by Nero and his counsel to imprison and sentence to death their opposition and it's what killed some of the apostles. To be politically correct, you see news media always talking about how white supremacy is one of the biggest problems we are dealing with. They can't outright say that Christians are one of the biggest problems so they have to code their language and say it's white supremacists doing this and that. Sadly, the Watchtower doesn't get into political details about this when we are living in a political world. You can say that you don't think a man should dress up like a woman and go into womens bathrooms and you'll be called a white supremacist by MSNBC, CNN, NBC and other news media. You can say that you don't agree on abortion and people will automatically put you in a political camp even though you aren't involved in the voting process. So instead of saying I'm politically neutral, I just say I'm politically based because I believe in the bible and Jesus words.

 

[kenmuldoon55]

Matthew 24:9-11. “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold."

That sounds exactly what happened, especially during the covid period. And whatever is to come next. Covid was just a precursor to what evil will come next. During that mass psychosis brainwashing experience of constant fake news even the GB wasn't immune to the fake news about vaccines and masking working. And then we have the department of INJUSTICE who defends criminals like Anthony Fauci and others for spreading fear mongering lies and saying covid started in nature when it was a lab leak. Which I believe was an intentional release. It came at the perfect time, during a U.S. election year and they had a SARS test phase panel a few months earlier and the man who invented the PCR rapid testing of covid, Kary Mullis who was in opposition to Anthony Fauci and even warns of their agenda. He somehow dies 2 months before covid is talked about on the news. And his PCR tests greatly manipulated testing worldwide when hospitals put the sensitivity levels for covid up high like they were told to do by protocol. So instead of testing for the covid 19 strand, the PCR test would test all other covid strands which is common in flus. And this mind shattered the public into believing the lies and manipulation of some of the most evil people in this world. It was a false sense of safety and security. And as a result, what do we see now? The love of many has grown cold. I see it now with Kingdom Halls not having the same in person attendance like before. But it's no better than in the world. With these weaponized agencies making up stories to convict and imprison their political opponents. It's no different than what Emperor Nero did to Rome. Blaming the great fire on Rome on Christians when it was planned by Nero and his counsel to imprison and sentence to death their opposition and it's what killed some of the apostles. To be politically correct, you see news media always talking about how white supremacy is one of the biggest problems we are dealing with. They can't outright say that Christians are one of the biggest problems so they have to code their language and say it's white supremacists doing this and that. Sadly, the Watchtower doesn't get into political details about this when we are living in a political world. You can say that you don't think a man should dress up like a woman and go into womens bathrooms and you'll be called a white supremacist by MSNBC, CNN, NBC and other news media. You can say that you don't agree on abortion and people will automatically put you in a political camp even though you aren't involved in the voting process. So instead of saying I'm politically neutral, I just say I'm politically based because I believe in the bible and Jesus words.

 

[kenmuldoon55]

I just tell people I voted for Gods Kingdom a long time ago

 

[SusanB]

Do the math and read the numbers in the annual reports. There is no growth in the organization, period. I would assume pointing out there own pathetic numbers to the gaslighted would also be tad amount to apostacy.

Hi Neoluna, I did a chart to compare side by side and thought that perhaps you hadn’t seen it. It is proof that what you are saying is correct. Although the peak publishers and average publisher is up, the number being baptized is down, total congregations are down, Memorial partakers are up and bible studies are almost half of what they were in 2018.

 

[PJ54]

Hi Neoluna, I did a chart to compare side by side and thought that perhaps you hadn’t seen it. It is proof that what you are saying is correct. Although the peak publishers and average publisher is up, the number being baptized is down, total congregations are down, Memorial partakers are up and bible studies are almost half of what they were in 2018.

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Looking at the hours in field service in 2022 is just insane how much it went down. I say this because the last one has a period rather than a comma. Is that correct?

 

[SusanB]

Looking at the hours in field service in 2022 is just insane how much it went down. I say this because the last one has a period rather than a comma. Is that correct?

Clerical error. It should be a comma.

 

[Deborah]

I just tell people I voted for Gods Kingdom a long time ago

Wow!! That brings back memories from old talks. I remember being instructed to say just that Ken from waaay back in those days. ☺

 

[kenmuldoon55]

Hi Neoluna, I did a chart to compare side by side and thought that perhaps you hadn’t seen it. It is proof that what you are saying is correct. Although the peak publishers and average publisher is up, the number being baptized is down, total congregations are down, Memorial partakers are up and bible studies are almost half of what they were in 2018.

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[kenmuldoon55]

Great stats Susan.Thanks.

 

[kenmuldoon55]

Wow!! That brings back memories from old talks. I remember being instructed to say just that Ken from waaay back in those days. ☺

 

[kenmuldoon55]

Get strange looks sometimes after saying that but usually opens an opportunity to give a further witness.

 

[StopTheInsanity]

This is very creepy and disturbing. How in the world can JW’s believe this is part of Jehovah’s ”loving arrangement?”
It’s that “bad is good, good is bad“ mentality. It creates division. It’s satanic!

I‘ve brought this out before that my daughter hasn’t talked to me in over a year simply because I questioned her and her husband as to the GB’s decisions about the vaccines. I’m not even DF. I’ve tried to reach out by calling or texting but to know avail. That was eight months ago. So I decided to reach out yesterday to text her but still haven’t heard back. I guess they call themselves ‘standing firm for righteousness and staying loyal to Jehovah.’
Well, maybe one they’ll wake up….hopefully not too late.

A lot of us have been "cancelled" because of questioning the decisions over vaccines. All of those JW's gave Jehovah evidence that they officially believe that the GB is infallible and have put them up on an idol pedestal.

 

[StopTheInsanity]

The disfellowshipping arrangement is not balanced. While it's true some individuals exceed the guidelines and shun disfellowshipped family members even in emergency situations and therefore don't realize they are giving a really bad example of their conduct and abandoning such a parent in their old age as the video suggests. Imagine if your old mother is calling you to help her get groceries, an important matter. Even though she's disfellowshipped. Would you go against bible scripture to honor your father and mother in their old age especially? Yes, you would be going against that bible scripture. Going to such an overzealous extreme like that would be disturbing. I believe that's why they took the video down. The mom looked old on the video call and to ignore an old parents need is dishonorable. They probably saw that as a public relations problem and took it down cause of that. Next time they would probably make the mom seem more younger.

I remember reading in one of the WT's publications that in an emergency one can make an exception, but I can't seem to find it. WT's search engine isn't very robust.

 

[StopTheInsanity]

Thank you, that is the scripture I had in mind. And some have took the disfellowshipping arrangement too far. Such as not honoring their parents in an emergency situation and when they are on their death bed. Disfellowshipping arrangement was to not make fellowship with people that were unrepentant sinners but you still are obligated to honor your parents even if they made poor decisions in their life. That's why that video was in particularly bad taste. It actually promotes the idea of dishonoring your old parent in need. I believe that's why they omitted it.

They have even taken it so far as to say that a funeral cannot be attended by faithful JW's. So, if disfellowshipping is supposed to serve two functions:

1) to protect the congregation from a bad influence and
2) to bring the erring one to their senses

then how would either of those apply to a dead person? They can't influence anyone who might attend their funeral and they certainly won't come back to their senses. Plus, Romans says that "they wages sin pays is death". What about that scripture, WT???

 

[StopTheInsanity]

The fact that WT has become so desperate so as to entrust 12 year old children to make such a weighty decision namely, baptism, just to give the impression of organizational growth is beyond ludicrous.

Not only that, but there's a talk that Tony Morris gave at a 2015 convention where he implied that if a teenager was old enough to drive, then they were old enough to get baptized and, if they weren't baptized, then perhaps the parents should withhold the driver's license. That directly contradicts what Geoffrey Jackson said in a JW Broadcast episode when he said that no one should ever be pressured to get baptized.

 

[kenmuldoon55]

Not only that, but there's a talk that Tony Morris gave at a 2015 convention where he implied that if a teenager was old enough to drive, then they were old enough to get baptized and, if they weren't baptized, then perhaps the parents should withhold the driver's license. That directly contradicts what Geoffrey Jackson said in a JW Broadcast episode when he said that no one should ever be pressured to get baptized.

More cockamamie direction from the know it all’s on “Kings” drive.