Jehovah’s Witnesses Mysteriously Delete Two Shunning Videos

Shekinah

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Two videos intended for the Witnesses’ online version of the convention have been deleted from the streaming versions of the assembly program, with no explanation. Some think this could have something to do with the Rebekah Vardy documentary that's been released.

 

Ms_ladyblue

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Two videos intended for the Witnesses’ online version of the convention have been deleted from the streaming versions of the assembly program, with no explanation. Some think this could have something to do with the Rebekah Vardy documentary that's been released.

This is very creepy and disturbing. How in the world can JW’s believe this is part of Jehovah’s ”loving arrangement?”
It’s that “bad is good, good is bad“ mentality. It creates division. It’s satanic!

I‘ve brought this out before that my daughter hasn’t talked to me in over a year simply because I questioned her and her husband as to the GB’s decisions about the vaccines. I’m not even DF. I’ve tried to reach out by calling or texting but to know avail. That was eight months ago. So I decided to reach out yesterday to text her but still haven’t heard back. I guess they call themselves ‘standing firm for righteousness and staying loyal to Jehovah.’
Well, maybe one they’ll wake up….hopefully not too late.
 

Soul Sage

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The disfellowshipping arrangement is not balanced. While it's true some individuals exceed the guidelines and shun disfellowshipped family members even in emergency situations and therefore don't realize they are giving a really bad example of their conduct and abandoning such a parent in their old age as the video suggests. Imagine if your old mother is calling you to help her get groceries, an important matter. Even though she's disfellowshipped. Would you go against bible scripture to honor your father and mother in their old age especially? Yes, you would be going against that bible scripture. Going to such an overzealous extreme like that would be disturbing. I believe that's why they took the video down. The mom looked old on the video call and to ignore an old parents need is dishonorable. They probably saw that as a public relations problem and took it down cause of that. Next time they would probably make the mom seem more younger.
 

goldie

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The disfellowshipping arrangement is not balanced. While it's true some individuals exceed the guidelines and shun disfellowshipped family members even in emergency situations and therefore don't realize they are giving a really bad example of their conduct and abandoning such a parent in their old age as the video suggests. Imagine if your old mother is calling you to help her get groceries, an important matter. Even though she's disfellowshipped. Would you go against bible scripture to honor your father and mother in their old age especially? Yes, you would be going against that bible scripture. Going to such an overzealous extreme like that would be disturbing. I believe that's why they took the video down. The mom looked old on the video call and to ignore an old parents need is dishonorable. They probably saw that as a public relations problem and took it down cause of that. Next time they would probably make the mom seem more younger.
I know of a sister who's disfellowshipped father was dying in the hospital and her sister had called to ask her to come see him before he passed, she refused because he was disfellowshipped! How incredibly sad!
 

SusanB

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This is very creepy and disturbing. How in the world can JW’s believe this is part of Jehovah’s ”loving arrangement?”
It’s that “bad is good, good is bad“ mentality. It creates division. It’s satanic!

I‘ve brought this out before that my daughter hasn’t talked to me in over a year simply because I questioned her and her husband as to the GB’s decisions about the vaccines. I’m not even DF. I’ve tried to reach out by calling or texting but to know avail. That was eight months ago. So I decided to reach out yesterday to text her but still haven’t heard back. I guess they call themselves ‘standing firm for righteousness and staying loyal to Jehovah.’
Well, maybe one they’ll wake up….hopefully not too late.
Yes, I‘m sure this will hit home with many who are being shunned by their family. It shouldn’t happen in family relationships and especially for doctrinal issues. I am sorry for you and all who have been injured from this cruel behavior.
 

SusanB

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The disfellowshipping arrangement is not balanced. While it's true some individuals exceed the guidelines and shun disfellowshipped family members even in emergency situations and therefore don't realize they are giving a really bad example of their conduct and abandoning such a parent in their old age as the video suggests. Imagine if your old mother is calling you to help her get groceries, an important matter. Even though she's disfellowshipped. Would you go against bible scripture to honor your father and mother in their old age especially? Yes, you would be going against that bible scripture. Going to such an overzealous extreme like that would be disturbing. I believe that's why they took the video down. The mom looked old on the video call and to ignore an old parents need is dishonorable. They probably saw that as a public relations problem and took it down cause of that. Next time they would probably make the mom seem more younger.
This is the same principle:

Mark 7:9-10: “Further, he said to them: “You skillfully disregard the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. For example, Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death.’”

If we should not speak abusively of our parents, neither should we shun them and in fact we are obligated to honor them.
 

kenmuldoon55

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Jehovah never shunned His people when they turned apostate but for many years appealed to them through the prophets to return to Him and be healed.
Even as the King of Babylon was laying siege to Jerusalem, Jehovah entreated them to surrender and take advantage of His mercy and continue living even though that life would now be in Babylon.
Jesus reiterated the reality and rightness of this divine merciful pattern in the prodigal son parable where when the father saw his son from afar returning home, raced out to tearfully embrace and welcome the boy home.
Unfortunately, this divine principle of mercy and compassion for Jehovahs lost sheep gets lost on the WT leadership who behave more like the other son in the parable who was bitter and spiteful and wanted to see punishment meted to his brother for ever having left his fathers house in the first place.
By implementing the whole shunning process the WT leadership has, as Susan quoted above, skillfully nullified Gods principles of mercy in favor of their self assumed Faithful and discrete slave status and the “you must never cross us or else you’ll suffer” mentality.
 
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Soul Sage

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This is the same principle:

Mark 7:9-10: “Further, he said to them: “You skillfully disregard the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. For example, Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death.’”

If we should not speak abusively of our parents, neither should we shun them and in fact we are obligated to honor them.

Thank you, that is the scripture I had in mind. And some have took the disfellowshipping arrangement too far. Such as not honoring their parents in an emergency situation and when they are on their death bed. Disfellowshipping arrangement was to not make fellowship with people that were unrepentant sinners but you still are obligated to honor your parents even if they made poor decisions in their life. That's why that video was in particularly bad taste. It actually promotes the idea of dishonoring your old parent in need. I believe that's why they omitted it.
 

Deborah

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I know of a sister who's disfellowshipped father was dying in the hospital and her sister had called to ask her to come see him before he passed, she refused because he was disfellowshipped! How incredibly sad!
Good lord Goldie that is awful. When my aunt died back in 80's her funeral was packed at funeral home. She was df for 🚬 for years. She was in her 70's I guess it depends on mindset of family members.

When my cousin died in 2017 all her kids showed up even df daughter she was close to and never stopped speaking too.

When her son was df years before she passed away they fought via appeal and his df was no more. She said to me "NOBODY MESSES WITH MY KIDS"!! HER HUSBAND WAS AND STILL IS ELDER. He is almost 90. NOT USED MUCH THOUGH DUE TO ILLNESS.

Another sisters daughter got df for getting pregnant. Her mother said I will not stop talking to MY DAUGHTER. She left the truth. Her husband was an elder, not sure of his status now.

So I guess it depends on how indoctrinated folks are.

Reminds me of video I watched where father was so indoctrinated he did little to bring take down filthy freak who was messing with his young daughter .

He said he was so INDOCTRINATED. Can't remember if I saw video on this forum or somewhere else. Can you imagine .

I remember what indoctrination can do. I was really into it for awhile. But I would like to hope if I had a child, and saw a nasty man or woman messing with my child I would not be so twisted up that i did nothing.

This df business is way over the top. 😔

Don't mess with those momma bears and her cubs. ☺
 
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Melinda

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Thank you, that is the scripture I had in mind. And some have took the disfellowshipping arrangement too far. Such as not honoring their parents in an emergency situation and when they are on their death bed. Disfellowshipping arrangement was to not make fellowship with people that were unrepentant sinners but you still are obligated to honor your parents even if they made poor decisions in their life. That's why that video was in particularly bad taste. It actually promotes the idea of dishonoring your old parent in need. I believe that's why they omitted it.
Recently I talked to my daughters childhood Witness friend. She has kept in touch with me when her parents turned their back on her when she got in trouble at age 17 as many do. She left home and her parents were strict about not having contact with her. She is now 45 yrs old. A year ago she got word that her dad had a stroke and was in the hospital and was not going to make it. She drove for hours to get to the hospital to see her father before it died. When she got to the hospital room her brother, sister and friends were in the room. Her mother came in… she had not seen her mother in 25 years. Her mother went around the room hugging everyone. When she got to her own daughter she reached her hand out to shake her daughters hand… “she said hello I am Barb I don’t think I’ve met you before“. Her mother did not recognize her own daughter.
 

Nomex

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but for many years appealed to them through the prophets to return to Him and be healed.
When you actually contrast what Jehovah has allowed his people to endure and what WT tries to stop people from enduring. Like I have pointed out, Jehovah did stop Satan from telling "his apostate driven lies" to Eve. He allowed the lie to be told, and how they reacted to the lie was the test. What WT does is the opposite. Jehovah allows us free will, WT does everything it can to remove our freewill. Just the fact that we can fellowship with our non-JW family, but if someone was baptized when they were 10-12 years old, and then decided later they do not want to be one of JW's, that somehow justifies shunning. There is no balance in the way WT handles DF'ing.

I also believe it is meant as a loyalty test. Loyalty to WT, not to Jehovah. The fact that they can get people to treat their own family this way, speaks volumes. It's another form of mind control, and it's something that effects a person ability to reason properly. My brother had accused me of something for years, which never made any sense to me because we both had the same information, and it was like he had made up his mind and facts didn't matter. For years I never corrected him because I couldn't figure out what he was talking about. Then finally I realized he believed something complete devoid of the facts, I explained the truth of the situation, and he acted like he was hearing it for the first time but he probably still believes his version of reality.

On another occasion a friend of mine had a retaliative die while DF'ed and I mentioned it to this one elder, and he said the person was not going to be resurrected because they were df'd at the time of their death.

Another time a family friend has two DF'd Kids, and one was in the hospital, and the daughter was trying to get a hold of her Mom, who was out of town staying with an Elder and his wife, and they would let the daughter talk to her Mom. The daughter called me, and I had to call the Mom.


You cannot ever convince me that this is a "loving provision." It's just one more thing imperfect and judgemental men in positions of power can abuse!
 

Deborah

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Recently I talked to my daughters childhood Witness friend. She has kept in touch with me when her parents turned their back on her when she got in trouble at age 17 as many do. She left home and her parents were strict about not having contact with her. She is now 45 yrs old. A year ago she got word that her dad had a stroke and was in the hospital and was not going to make it. She drove for hours to get to the hospital to see her father before it died. When she got to the hospital room her brother, sister and friends were in the room. Her mother came in… she had not seen her mother in 25 years. Her mother went around the room hugging everyone. When she got to her own daughter she reached her hand out to shake her daughters hand… “she said hello I am Barb I don’t think I’ve met you before“. Her mother did not recognize her own daughter.
How sad and sick. Makes me just cry.
 

Soul Sage

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I believe in the disfellowshipping arrangement but I agree that it goes too far. It makes a stumbling block for many. Some have a super sensitive conscience which is the main problem where "wrongthink" like not agreeing to 1914 teaching is akin to being an apostate. It made me think of the quote in Star Wars. "Only a sith deals in absolutes." You always have to think of the possibility that certain theories aren't absolutes even though it may have some truth to it.
 

Nomex

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I agree that it goes too far.
One thing WT does very well is taking scripture out of context, to support their version and or interpretation of scriptures. Someone on here explained that the reason the scripture says, "not even eating with such one" is because they had their Bible studies in there homes, and often would have a meal together afterwards, and that is what that was referencing. One thing that has always bothered me though, is the over arching reasoning of most the large majority of the brothers, is the complete lack of love. The is "no love among themselves." It is a very conditional and superficial "love."

I think the best example of this, is there was a family in one congregation I was in, and their adult son was DF'd but in a metal institution. On his good days they could bring him to the meetings. The father was not a Witness, so the aging mother would bring him. The Son after one meeting, reached out and tried to say "Hi" to one of the Elders, and he dodged him like he was dodging a football player. I'll never forget it, it was 100% evil. There was no excuse for that treatment. When a doctrine or policy get's people to act like this, there is something completely wrong on a root level with the policy!


Part of the problem is what I have said for a long time. There is no policy in place to help people who are struggling with this system. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. DF'ing is the only tool they have, so every problem is a nail that needs to be hammered!
 

Soul Sage

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I remember working together with some other JW. Apparently I didn't know one of the workers there was disfellowshipped, I was told later on. He would just keep to his work and wouldn't talk about personal things. Though we rarely talked anyway. Does it mean I should quit my job because of a disfellowshipped person is working there. Such sensitive drivel is really a bad curse and it stumbles others that become aware of the situation. So then they think, they wouldn't want to be a witness because of such a matter when really it was a super sensitive person causing division that exceeds what is written in scripture.
 

Sundial

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I know of a sister who's disfellowshipped father was dying in the hospital and her sister had called to ask her to come see him before he passed, she refused because he was disfellowshipped! How incredibly sad!
Luke 6:38 ...For with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.” Ouch for that brain washed daughter.
 

PJ54

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The disfellowshipping arrangement is not balanced. While it's true some individuals exceed the guidelines and shun disfellowshipped family members even in emergency situations and therefore don't realize they are giving a really bad example of their conduct and abandoning such a parent in their old age as the video suggests. Imagine if your old mother is calling you to help her get groceries, an important matter. Even though she's disfellowshipped. Would you go against bible scripture to honor your father and mother in their old age especially? Yes, you would be going against that bible scripture. Going to such an overzealous extreme like that would be disturbing. I believe that's why they took the video down. The mom looked old on the video call and to ignore an old parents need is dishonorable. They probably saw that as a public relations problem and took it down cause of that. Next time they would probably make the mom seem more younger.
It's as a bible principle being violated:

1 Timothy 5:1–16 ESV​

8 But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
 
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