Jehovah's Future Judgments and 666

wth

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True. But it says that in Babylon was found the blood of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth, as well as the blood of the holy ones. Furthermore, it says that God calls her acts of injustice to mind. Obviously, the beast has been in existence for several thousand years. Are we to believe that the harlot only comes on the scene in the short time of the Lord's day? Why would God only call their injustice to mind during the few years of the Lord's day and ignore the centuries of atrocities committed in the name of religion? What about all of the millions of people that have been slaughtered in the Crusades and Inquizistions and the Hundred Years War between Protestants and Catholics and on and on and on?
Babylon represents all the nations(government)from Egypt onward. Babylon the Great is something else she ride on the of the back of the beast.She is not the same is the beast.The purpose of Babylon the great is she steers the nations( As you said China is not steer by Religion) as Big Bussiness and Super Banks our doing.Also in her is the millatary industrial complex which is why they say the blood of all is found in her.Just a thought.All the past war may be considered Acts by millatary industrial. But that not saying that false Religion is not guilty too.For the new world to happen all these thing most be removed
 

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Babylon represents all the nations(government)from Egypt onward. Babylon the Great is something else she ride on the of the back of the beast.She is not the same is the beast.The purpose of Babylon the great is she steers the nations( As you said China is not steer by Religion) as Big Bussiness and Super Banks our doing.Also in her is the millatary industrial complex which is why they say the blood of all is found in her.Just a thought.All the past war may be considered Acts by millatary industrial. But that not saying that false Religion is not guilty too.For the new world to happen all these thing most be removed
So, you are saying that the military-industrial complex is responsible for the killing of the holy ones in Christ's day, pogroms against the Waldensains, the Lullards, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the 100 Years War, the 30 Years War? Amazing. Incredible, really!
 

Still Here

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You (Watchman) said, "Anyone who aspires to be a teacher of God’s word is obligated to prove by scriptural references what they teach is true."
One question. Does this apply to you?
 

Frank D

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There is absolutely no question that BTG represents the false spiritualistic teachings sourced from the original Babylon with Nimrod.
What is meant by it saying that 'the woman means the great city'?
 
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Cristo

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What is meant by it saying that 'the woman means the great city'?
She, being Babylon the Great, is a symbolic representation of the world empire of false religion that has ruled over mankind for millenniums and has been the mouthpiece for Satan in the physical realm ever since Nimrod.

Jehovah used this type of symbolic representation when Israel committed spiritual prostitution with other nations.

(Jer 3:6) “. . .‘Have you seen what unfaithful Israel has done? She is going upon every high mountain and underneath every luxuriant tree, that she may commit prostitution there.”​

Is this what you were asking, or did you mean something else by the question?
 

A B

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Old reasoning begot wrong conclusions. Hishop reason for stating that Babylon the Great is the world empire of false religions were based on not having all the actors of the play on stage.The fact may have added up back then.but at that time there were no Big Corporations Big Banks and the super wealthy
.Today the women who is riding on the goverment back is The super wealthy Corporate run world.That is what needs to be done away with. That will happen with the crash of this faninacal system.Thus with a swift pitch she will be done away with.Just a thought
The merchants mourn over the demise of the woman because she will no longer buy their cargo.
 

alan ford

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What is meant by it saying that 'the woman means the great city'?
The concept of a great and powerful city is a symbol of rebellion against God in the OT accounts. Cities like Babylon, Nineveh, and Tyre, were great cities known for their wickedness, and they were eventually judged by God. Maybe that's the connection?
 

Frank D

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Is this what you were asking, or did you mean something else by the question?
What I am asking is this:

If I say, hey Cristo who is the woman that has the name BTG on her forehead...
You I guess would reply, she is a symbolic representation of the world empire of false religion

If I asked the angel who was speaking to John, hey angel who is the woman that has the name BTG on her forehead...
The angel would say, the woman is the great city
I would then ask, what is the great city

What would the angel tell me at that point...

I would also ask, hey angel, is this great city that you say means the woman, is this the same great city that the two witnesses are said to lay dead on...

Basically, what I am trying to do is approach understanding who the woman is by trying to find out what is the great city. The angel said that the woman MEANS the great city. So, what say you, what is the great city that the angel told John the woman means?❓

[3 I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth.” 7 When they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them.+ 8 And their corpses will be on the main street of the great city that is in a spiritual sense called Sodʹom and Egypt, where their Lord was also executed on the stake.]

[18 And the woman+ whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”]

[10 They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city,+ Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!’
15 “The merchants who sold these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and will weep and mourn, 16 saying: ‘Too bad, too bad, the great city, clothed with fine linen, purple, and scarlet and richly adorned with gold ornaments, precious stones, and pearls,+ 17 because in one hour such great riches have been devastated!’
“And every ship captain and every seafaring person and sailors and all those who make a living by the sea stood at a distance 18 and cried out as they looked at the smoke from her burning and said: ‘What city is like the great city?’
19 They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning, and said: ‘Too bad, too bad, the great city, in which all those who had ships at sea became rich from her wealth, because in one hour she has been devastated!’+
21 And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again.+]

17 The seventh one poured out his bowl on the air. At this a loud voice came out of the sanctuary+ from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!” 18 And there were flashes of lightning and voices and thunders, and there was a great earthquake unlike any that had occurred since men came to be on the earth,+ so extensive and so great was the earthquake. 19 The great city+ split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great+ was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath.+ 20 Also, every island fled, and mountains were not found.+ 21 Then great hailstones, each about the weight of a talent,* fell from heaven on the people,+ and the people blasphemed God because of the plague of hail,+ for the plague was unusually great.
 
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alan ford

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Tyre was also known for its commerce, and was also likened to a prostitute in Isaiah. Also was known for its maritime power (similarity to BTG sitting on waters?)

To me seems like BTG as a great city is a composite of these great cities mentioned in OT. All of them are like aspects of BTG.
 

Frank D

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She, being Babylon the Great, is a symbolic representation of the world empire of false religion

During the 42 months of the 8th king any and all that are taking a stand against him, will be in captivity by him. All those that take the mark and support him will be living their life not in captivity by him but they will still be under his rule as to what and how they can live their live under his rule. Do you really think that what you call 'the world empire of false religion' will continue on during the 42 months as to be on hand for the 7th bowl of wrath to come upon it?

Do you think when WW3 breaks out and then as a consequence the 8th king is installed, that ONLY the WTS/JWs (true religion:rolleyes:) goes down due to war and 8th king?

When the 42 months come for the 8th king, do you think that of those that refuse the mark, that they will be made up 100% of JWs and no other people from any other religions?

Do you think the great crowd is made up of 100% JWs and no other people from any other religions?

BTW, what is the judgment that starts with house of God...is it WW3 or the 42 months of the 8th king?

In regard to the GT that the GC come out of, is the GT WW3 or the 42 months?
 
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Cristo

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Tyre was also known for its commerce, and was also likened to a prostitute in Isaiah. Also was known for its maritime power (similarity to BTG sitting on waters?)

To me seems like BTG as a great city is a composite of these great cities mentioned in OT. All of them are like aspects of BTG.
Great observation, thanks for that.

Yes, most major cities in the regions which were epicenters of trade and would no doubt also be a focal point for false worship. These great cities such as Babylon and Tyre were in a sense Satans main hubs of avenue into the physical realm through the many false practices that were performed in these locations. Thus, Babylon the Great, also known for her spiritistic practices must encompass the whole world in our generation as you bring out.

What I am asking is this:

If I say, hey Cristo who is the woman that has the name BTG on her forehead...
You I guess would reply, she is a symbolic representation of the world empire of false religion

If I asked the angel who was speaking to John, hey angel who is the woman that has the name BTG on her forehead...
The angel would say, the woman is the great city
I would then ask, what is the great city

What would the angel tell me at that point...

I would also ask, hey angel, is this great city that you say means the woman, is this the same great city that the two witnesses are said to lay dead on...

Basically, what I am trying to do is approach understanding who the woman is by trying to find out what is the great city. The angel said that the woman MEANS the great city. So, what say you, what is the great city that the angel told John the woman means?❓

[3 I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth.” 7 When they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them.+ 8 And their corpses will be on the main street of the great city that is in a spiritual sense called Sodʹom and Egypt, where their Lord was also executed on the stake.]

[18 And the woman+ whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”]

[10 They will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and say: ‘Too bad, too bad, you great city,+ Babylon you strong city, because in one hour your judgment has arrived!’
15 “The merchants who sold these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of their fear of her torment and will weep and mourn, 16 saying: ‘Too bad, too bad, the great city, clothed with fine linen, purple, and scarlet and richly adorned with gold ornaments, precious stones, and pearls,+ 17 because in one hour such great riches have been devastated!’
“And every ship captain and every seafaring person and sailors and all those who make a living by the sea stood at a distance 18 and cried out as they looked at the smoke from her burning and said: ‘What city is like the great city?’
19 They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and mourning, and said: ‘Too bad, too bad, the great city, in which all those who had ships at sea became rich from her wealth, because in one hour she has been devastated!’+
21 And a strong angel lifted up a stone like a great millstone and hurled it into the sea, saying: “Thus with a swift pitch will Babylon the great city be hurled down, and she will never be found again.+]

17 The seventh one poured out his bowl on the air. At this a loud voice came out of the sanctuary+ from the throne, saying: “It has come to pass!” 18 And there were flashes of lightning and voices and thunders, and there was a great earthquake unlike any that had occurred since men came to be on the earth,+ so extensive and so great was the earthquake. 19 The great city+ split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell; and Babylon the Great+ was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fury of his wrath.+ 20 Also, every island fled, and mountains were not found.+ 21 Then great hailstones, each about the weight of a talent,* fell from heaven on the people,+ and the people blasphemed God because of the plague of hail,+ for the plague was unusually great.

Lol...Frank man, you crack me up. You don't have to ask me, or an angel, the answer is right where I pointed you to in the bible earlier. Jehovah tells us that Babylon the Great is the woman who represents all the false spiritistic practices throughout the world.

(Re 18:23-24) “. . .and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled. 24 Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.””​

She is the mother of the disgusting things on the earth; therefore, she must represent the source of all things that are spiritually unnatural in the physical realm. However, the true source is obviously Satan, who uses her as his mouthpiece to sway humanity away from the true God.

As we consider these disgusting things from the standpoint of Christendom it would most certainly include the trinity doctrine("you can be like God"), the immortal soul("you wont die"), hellfire, and the rapture from the standpoint of all good men/women are taken up to heaven (pre/post trib), etc...

Can anything be more disgusting than the two lies that Satan used to create evil when he told them to Eve? I don't think so.

As you can see, Christendom has done nothing but parrot Satan's false claims from the Garden of Eden, and it is as clear as clean water that Christendom represents Satan. There is no other religion on the face of this earth that has ever done what Jehovahs Witnesses have done to spread the name of God in spirit and truth. Be it as it may, there are lies yes, dirty water, but until you can acknowledge both, the lies in Christendom AND the truth in the WTS, I see no further reason to discuss these things with you.
 
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Frank D

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You don't have to ask me, or an angel, the answer is right where I pointed you to in the bible earlier.
:ROFLMAO:

[23 No light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; for your merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, and by your spiritistic practices all the nations were misled.]

I am not ignoring that it says that, but in as much as it does say that it also says this:

[18 And the woman+ whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”]

How is she the great city? What is that great city? How are the two-witnesses said to lay there when they are killed?
 

Cristo

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The great city...Babylon...the empire of false religion when that scripture was written.
 

Frank D

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The great city...Babylon...the empire of false religion when that scripture was written.
When that Scripture was written by John in the first century Babylon had already been destroyed in 539BCE. In John's time the great city would seem to be either Rome or Jerusalem. IDK, all I do know is it says 'the woman means the great city'. And yes, she is said to have spiritistic practices and all the nations are misled by them.
 
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Cristo

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When that Scripture was written by John in the first century Babylon had already been destroyed in 539BCE. In John's time the great city would seem to be either Rome or Jerusalem. IDK, all I do know is it says 'the woman means the great city'. And yes, she is said to have spiritistic practices and all the nations are misled by them.
You are correct, nevertheless Babylon was the epicenter of false worship. I was wrong when I said "when it was written"...had my mind elsewhere.
 

Frank D

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You are correct, nevertheless Babylon was the epicenter of false worship. I was wrong when I said "when it was written"...had my mind elsewhere.
Okay, so according to you, the great city is Babylon. So, the two-witnesses are going to symbolically lay in Babylon when they are killed and in Babylon is also where Jesus was killed?

[18 And the woman+ whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”]

What is that great city?

The great city...Babylon

[8 And their corpses will be on the main street of the great city that is in a spiritual sense called Sodʹom and Egypt, where their Lord was also executed on the stake.]
 
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Frank D

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Is that an answer right in front of us...

[18 And the woman+ whom you saw means the great city that has a kingdom over the kings of the earth.”]
[8 And their corpses will be on the main street of the great city that is in a spiritual sense called Sodʹom and Egypt, where their Lord was also executed on the stake.]
 
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