Jehovah's Witness church seeks exemption from royal commission abuse in care inquiry

BARNABY THE DOG.

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I had an idea that came to mind. What if Anonymous (a collective of internet hackers) was hired to hack into the Watchtower database to see those on the registry? It would be illegal but it might provide some useful information.
“Vengeance is mine”, says Jehovah. “I will repay.”
I certainly would agree with you in sentiment PJ, and I would certainly welcome such an “act of disobedience” as they thoroughly deserve a reply to their evil in covering over their crimes. However, I do not think that we could better what Jehovah already has in mind for them.
 

PJ54

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“Vengeance is mine”, says Jehovah. “I will repay.”
I certainly would agree with you in sentiment PJ, and I would certainly welcome such an “act of disobedience” as they thoroughly deserve a reply to their evil in covering over their crimes. However, I do not think that we could better what Jehovah already has in mind for them.
This is true. If one of us did hire a group of skilled hackers, likely our conscience would bother us constantly. Also, it would likely stumble those in the Org & probably be less receptive to the those being part of the regathering when the end comes.
 

kenmuldoon55

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This article is loaded with inaccuracies. First of all, we all have to agree that anyone calling Jehovah's witnesses a 'church' isn't playing with a full deck.

It takes some doing to get past the editorial spin, but only after that do we get to an actual quote from Brother Pecipajkovski-
"Church spokesperson Tom Pecipajkovski said the Jehovah's Witnesses had cooperated since 2019 with the commission, "consistently explaining that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses does not and never has taken children, young people or vulnerable adults into care".

"Therefore, the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses does not fall within the scope of this inquiry.

"Despite repeated requests, the commission has failed to present valid reasons as to why it disagrees" so they had gone to the High Court, said Pecipajkovski in a statement today.
“consistently explaining that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses does not and never has taken children, young people or vulnerable adults into care"

Seems the JW spokesman is trying to spin what “care” means almost like he’s inferring that since there are no official WT sponsored Sunday school/day care programs or senior/special needs centers associated with the Kingdom Halls there is therefore no special oversight or moral/legal responsibility to these groups by local elders.
 
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PJ54

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“consistently explaining that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses does not and never has taken children, young people or vulnerable adults into care"

Seems the JW spokesman is trying to spin what “care” means almost like he’s inferring that since there are no official WT sponsored Sunday school/day care programs or senior/special needs centers associated with the Kingdom Halls there is therefore no special oversight or moral/legal responsibility to these groups by local elders.
He got the boot. Ever since the thread pertaining to Flat Earth.
 

kenmuldoon55

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"Into care' is a relative term. NO CHURCH takes anyone "into their care" if you are going to take the interpretation as one of an actual caregiver where someone comes into your home and is responsible for you legally. It's semantics.

But WT KNOWS that all of Jehovah's sheep are charged as being "under their care" spiritually and they know that. They are also charged with protecting the flock and keeping it clean and upholding God's law. It's the same semantics that they are playing out in court by saying about their shunning policy: "we never said you can't talk to them" or whatever exact wording they used, it was designed to be misleading because any JW would say that it's blatantly false.

It was like Gerrit Loesch's testimony and Geoffrey Jackson's where they said that they are not under the authority of WT and never have been and they don't set policy for WT. WTBS is a legal entity that the GB divulged itself from about 20 years ago. It's legal semantics. WTBS has never set spiritual policy for the organization, only the GB has. WTBS only handles the legal and financial side of things.

The real question is: What does Jehovah God, the God of TRUTH, think about their deliberate obscuring of the truth? That is the true question. Forget what imperfect men think.
Very nicely said.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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The watchtower claim that they “do not take children or adults “into” care is pure semantics and is an insult to the law of the land. Taking someone “into care” in modern parlance refers to physical or mental care subsequent to a need for such determined by a relevant physician qualified in that area. Even then, it is only done in consideration of a persons‘ best interests; a legal term referring to that one’s needs (within the human rights act) being unable to be met in domestic circumstances. I.e., specialist care. It is carried out by a qualified social worker in conjunction with qualified medical assistance in the area of need.

In religious terms, (also catered for within the same or other applicable laws in relation to the whole life care issues), care of an individuals spiritual needs is the very raision ‘d’etre that the church or religious community exists, and spiritual needs are a recognised need of the human existence - even after death, in providing a religious service to that one in an acceptable manner “according to their belief.” Therefore it is undeniably the case that the tenets of the religion that the person adheres to, is obliged, indeed required by law to provide spiritual care according to the agreed belief.

As the spiritual belief necessarily involves physical adjustment and thus mental and spiritual conformity in that belief, the physical personage (body) of that one is included in the duty of care toward that one. The fact that the scripture notes that the body is not integral to belief, (consider the resurrection and blood issues) confirms the spiritual identity involved in the possession of that body to conform to that belief. The watchtower teach respect of the body, conduct and dress of that body, it’s physical, mental and spiritual displays of faith within the congregation and critically, outside of the congregation, and in conduct seen and unseen. Thus total adherence in body and soul, in all respects because “nothing is hidden from Jehovah.”

As watchtower claim to be the very channel that Jehovah uses to “direct His people” (watchtower GB quotation) then they, the GB, claim jurisdiction in the conduct of that person, and thus care, in ALL respects physical, mental and spiritual of that body as a member of the religion. They assume control of membership and legal rights to membership (see baptism demand of allegiance to “Jehovah‘s Organisation” ). Therefore, care of that one refers to all aspects within the scope of the above claims and pretences, in all areas of need of that physical, mental and spiritual body as put forth and written in, the scriptures that they claim of themselves, ergo, the singular exactitude in the religion it expounds as “Truth” . This includes then, all the issues made against them in this investigation. I’m amazed that the Court and its representatives in law are unable to articulate such a straightforward issue and sue these bastards to their last penny and throw the whole lot of them into jail and throw away the key, nay! Melt the key down and bury its dross in the sewers of Sodom.
 

CyndiaS

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“consistently explaining that the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses does not and never has taken children, young people or vulnerable adults into care"

Seems the JW spokesman is trying to spin what “care” means almost like he’s inferring that since there are no official WT sponsored Sunday school/day care programs or senior/special needs centers associated with the Kingdom Halls there is therefore no special oversight or moral/legal responsibility to these groups by local elders.
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