Jesus Name - Proof of the GB's Deceptive Teaching of the Faithful Slave
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MickHewitt
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I agree: They keep insisting 'Jehovah is a God of order!' It sounds more like a requisite of Goebell's? Rather, Jehovah is a God of harmony..yes? We see it in creation this harmony...ok it is an orderly way...but would it not be better expressed 'harmony' instead of ORDER!? They put it that way to instill fearful order to them?
Patricia
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Harmony, yes. Order used in the same sense, okš¤. Not in the sense of order of importance / hierarchy šš¤“which is the sense I get when they say organization
Truth_Seeker
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"This is the word that came to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying: 2 āStand in the gate of the house of Jehovah and proclaim there this message, āHear the word of Jehovah, all you people of Judah who enter these gates to bow down to Jehovah. 3 This is what Jehovah of armies, the God of Israel, says: āReform your ways and your actions, and I will allow you to keep residing in this place.+ 4 Do not put your trust in deceptive words and say, āThis is* the temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah!ā+ 5 For if you truly reform your ways and actions; if you truly uphold justice between a man and his neighbor;+ 6 if you do not oppress foreign residents, orphans,* and widows;+ if you do not shed innocent blood in this place; and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm;+ 7 then I will allow you to keep residing in this place, in the land I gave to your forefathers for all time.āāā*8 āBut you are putting your trust in deceptive words+āit will bring absolutely no benefit. 9 Can you steal,+ murder, commit adultery, swear falsely,+ make sacrifices* to BaŹ¹al,+ and follow after gods you had not known, 10 and then come and stand before me in this house that bears my name and say, āWe will be saved,ā despite your doing all these detestable things? 11 Has this house that bears my name become a cave of robbers in your eyes?+ Here I have seen it for myself,ā declares Jehovah". Jeremiah 7
Jehovah organisation does not reside anywhere in particular on earth. As long as people that represent Him keep themselves unspotted from the world they can belong to the heavenly one, otherwise they will be cut off.
"For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed if they had been thinking of that country which they left, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them."
Hebrews 11:14ā-ā¬16
Jehovah organisation does not reside anywhere in particular on earth. As long as people that represent Him keep themselves unspotted from the world they can belong to the heavenly one, otherwise they will be cut off.
"For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed if they had been thinking of that country which they left, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them."
Hebrews 11:14ā-ā¬16
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MickHewitt
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It seems undeniable that they use wordsmiths, neural nudging; their harmony is with 1914 so everything has to synchronise with Christ already here and all done!
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Jehovahsloyalchild
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The day is coming when JW organization will be nomore...Jehovahs purpose to gather those who bear His Holy name and teach the basic doctrinal truths whom preach the good news of His coming kingdom will have been accomplished. Once the harvest separation is completed only true worship will remain and it won't exist in any organization but will come from the heart in Jehovahs kingdom. He will be the our one true God our temple in which we will worship him with a sincere heart spirit and truth. As Jesus put it so beautifully there will come a time when the only place of worship will come from one's heart with spirit and truth.
John 4:23
Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.
Acts 15
After they finished speaking, James replied: āMen, brothers, hear me. 14 SymŹ¹eĀ·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written: 16 āAfter these things I will return and raise up again the tent of David that is fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, 17 so that the men who remain may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things,
Revelation 21
I did not see a temple in it, for Jehovah God the Almighty is its temple, also the Lamb is. 23 And the city has no need of the sun nor of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp was the Lamb. 24 And the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25 Its gates will not be closed at all by day, for night will not exist there. 26 And they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. 27 But anything defiled and anyone who does what is disgusting and deceitful will in no way enter into it; only those written in the Lambās scroll of life will enter.
We should do our utmost to maintain our focus on Jehovah and His coming kingdom. Let us not get caught up with the apostasy and the GB the workers of Lawlessness the modern day Pharisees. Satan wants our focus to be on the things that cause stumbling but Jehovah wants our focus, love, faith and trust in HIM š
John 4:23
Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.
Acts 15
After they finished speaking, James replied: āMen, brothers, hear me. 14 SymŹ¹eĀ·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written: 16 āAfter these things I will return and raise up again the tent of David that is fallen down; I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, 17 so that the men who remain may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things,
Revelation 21
I did not see a temple in it, for Jehovah God the Almighty is its temple, also the Lamb is. 23 And the city has no need of the sun nor of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp was the Lamb. 24 And the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25 Its gates will not be closed at all by day, for night will not exist there. 26 And they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. 27 But anything defiled and anyone who does what is disgusting and deceitful will in no way enter into it; only those written in the Lambās scroll of life will enter.
We should do our utmost to maintain our focus on Jehovah and His coming kingdom. Let us not get caught up with the apostasy and the GB the workers of Lawlessness the modern day Pharisees. Satan wants our focus to be on the things that cause stumbling but Jehovah wants our focus, love, faith and trust in HIM š
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Truth_Seeker
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Then the glory of Jehovah entered the temple* through the gate facing the east.+ 5 A spirit then raised me up and brought me into the inner courtyard, and I saw that the temple had become full of the glory of Jehovah.+ 6 Then I heard someone speaking to me out of the temple, and the man came and stood beside me.+ 7 He said to me:āSon of man, this is the place of my throne+ and the place for the soles of my feet,+ where I will dwell among the people of Israel forever.+ The house of Israel will no longer defile my holy name,+ they and their kings, by their spiritual prostitution and by the carcasses of their kings at their death. 8 By putting their threshold next to my threshold and their doorpost beside my doorpost, with only a wall between me and them,+ they defiled my holy name by the detestable things they did, so I exterminated them in my anger.+ 9 Now let them put their spiritual prostitution and the carcasses of their kings far away from me, and I will dwell among them forever.+10 āAs for you, son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel,+ so that they will feel ashamed because of their errors,+ and they should study its plan.* 11 If they feel ashamed of all they have done, you should make known to them the ground plan of the temple, its arrangement. Ezechiel 43.
Here it says that the Spirit of Jehovah will live forever in the temple of Israel. As we all know His spirit departed from there. It's not with the organisation that Jesus's disciples set up and lately appears not to be in bethel anymore. The only one I am thinking of, and the one apostles and prophets of the old looked forward to, must be the one in the revelation 21.
I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lambās book of life.
Revelation 21:22ā-ā¬27
Here it says that the Spirit of Jehovah will live forever in the temple of Israel. As we all know His spirit departed from there. It's not with the organisation that Jesus's disciples set up and lately appears not to be in bethel anymore. The only one I am thinking of, and the one apostles and prophets of the old looked forward to, must be the one in the revelation 21.
I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb. The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lambās book of life.
Revelation 21:22ā-ā¬27
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Your reasoning is lame. You claimed the Watchtower could not be Jehovah's organization because Rutherford made up the expression. That's childish reasoning. I didn't say you denied that Israel was Jehovah's nation or that Christians were a holy nation. I was pointing out your hypocrisy. Or do you in fact deny that Israel and Christ's collection of congregations were Jehovah's organizations? Since they obviously were organizations that God used, why deny that those doing Christ's work now are?
When Jesus was on earth the Jews demanded to know who appointed him, or who gave him authority to do what he did. If the Jews who were expecting Christ did not accept his appointment it is no surprise that individuals like yourself do not accept that men could have been appointed by Christ to do a particular work.
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Rutherford was a prophet!
How else do you explain his inspired words, sent abroad 100 years in and advance of the fulfillment.
Its time for WT to reignite the prothetic campaign 'Millions now living WILL never die.".
As we are on the "cusp" of the "Last day of the last days" I say 'Stay alive till 25', 2025 that is.
How else do you explain his inspired words, sent abroad 100 years in and advance of the fulfillment.
Its time for WT to reignite the prothetic campaign 'Millions now living WILL never die.".
As we are on the "cusp" of the "Last day of the last days" I say 'Stay alive till 25', 2025 that is.
Patricia
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Agreed š
Citrine
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You got it! We just had the wrong 25 all along! Of course itās 2025! Getting my stay alive T-shirt ordered now! Letās get the word out!
DoubleThink333
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Are you suggesting that the heavenly kingdom from which Jehovah God reigns and rules is in chaos and has not yet been established...?
Iām just gonna ask that one question and make no further comment as I donāt want to assume your position based upon one statement which I may be misinterpreting...
David Peter
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Yes ! It's all beginning to make sense now Its not 1925 but 2025 - Wow ! Let the construction begin its time for a new Beth Sarim ! The ancient worthies will need a mansion to live in , maybe we can buy the same house in San Diego since the climate is similar to Palestine . We need to start a go fund me page. Rutherford was only a hundred years off . But Fred Franz was only fifty years off with 1975 - to the fast approaching 2025. - So Who is the more correct prophet ?
DoubleThink333
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Jesusā appointment as the head of the earthly organization was backed by hundreds of scriptures found in the Bible. The GB self-proclaimed appointment by Jesus himself is not foretold in the Bible as specifically as Jesusā appointment was. There are scriptures alluding to an earthly organization being set up at some point, but there arenāt any scriptures I have found that would specifically identify the Governing Body members of the Jehovahās Witnesses organization as being the organization alluded to in scripture. And certainly their actions over the years have separated them from God.
Is just a word. Why stumble over it. I suspect it is Ok to stumble or be appalled at the W/T's false teaching, just as we are appalled at the doings of other organized religions, and other crooked organizations on the planet, Black Rock Vanguard, WEF, WHO, CDC Central banks, etc.
Gods Kingdom; the Kingdom that Christ and the 144,000 are co-rulers You know; the one that RK wrote a book about "Jehovah himself has become King"; has not; I repeat Not! yet been established in the heavens, But it will be soon.
Your question is false and misleading. Based on your crooked thinking prehaps.
Yep they might be closer to the money this time around. If not, have another bash later prehaps.
DoubleThink333
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Triggered much? Geez š canāt even ask you people a question to clarify your word salad statements without you getting your panties in a bunch! RELAX! My question was genuine. Your initial statement was misleading. What a hypocrite you are.
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Joe MacTeeg
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Robert, why do you become belligerent when people don't agree with you? It is not very Christian. Further, you again set up a straw-man. Did you read Rutherford's books where he introduced the 'two organizations, Jehovah's and Satan's'? He literally used "organization" thousands of times. Page after page. And the context in which he introduced the term, was in giving himself, as the WT President, the position of supreme unquestioned authority on earth, as God's "visible" representative. It was not just because he used the term "organization", it was the way he self-appointed himself as the visible head of an "organization" that he plain and simple made it up as "Jehovah's". (Who would dare to question "Jehovah"? ie: Rutherford for all intents and purposes.)
I did not come to these conclusions lightly, nor second hand. I never missed a month reporting time in 39 years, pioneered often, served as an elder for 28 years, gave parts on assemblies, served at Brooklyn Bethel......you might say I had a lot invested. The "pandemic" and jab push by the GB caused me to research and answer the question: "Was the Watchtower ever God's "organization?" Robert, why can't you a least respect that others may have come to a different conclusion than you? Your attitude does not become you.
I read every book, and the context in which he introduced the idea that the Watchtower was "Jehovah's organization." He plain and simple made it up, to cement his own unquestioned authority. As in: 'Everything I say is God's command. Because this is His organization. And I lead it.' ('Obey me or face the wrath of God.')
So, God selected a megalomaniac, wife-neglecting, drunkard, materialistic, bombastic, abusive, smiter-of-the-brothers, slandering, false prophet, presumptuous, power-mad, writer of Biblical rubbish; as his visible vicegerent on earth? The leader of "Jehovah's organization"? It is blasphemous. (I am not slandering him, as the evidence of his life is there for all who will look. The man did not even qualify as an elder.)
You ignored my request to define the point where God made the Watchtower "his organization", and how this alleged "approval" was shown.
The God of Truth I know, and his Son, "the truth", could never have selected the Watchtower as "his exclusive organization." That's the conclusion I reached after starting at the beginning, and reading every single book. In order. I lived 150 years of history involving the birth and evolution of the movement. I encourage anyone who wants the answer to this question, to do their own research. (The shortcut is to just read "The Finished Mystery", as it shows the so-called "spiritual food" when Christ allegedly 'inspected.' Available as a free pdf on the internet.)
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