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Towards the end of the talk, he speaks about the mark of the beast and worship of the beast, using the example of or connecting it to "nationalism and celebrating worldly holidays." I thought this was supposed to be a future development. Am I misunderstanding something or mis- characterizing what he was trying to convey?? Halp! 🤦😔

 

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CyndiaS said:
Towards the end of the talk, he speaks about the mark of the beast and worship of the beast, using the example of or connecting it to "nationalism and celebrating worldly holidays." I thought this was supposed to be a future development. Am I misunderstanding something or mis- characterizing what he was trying to convey?? Halp! 🤦😔

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What the WT doesn’t comprehend is that the mark of the beast spoken of at Revelation 13, isn’t compelled on mankind until after the great tribulation has been cut short and the eighth king begins his tyrannical 42 month long rule of the world.
 
Wow..after having grown up in the truth, including going studying the Revelation book 2x at book study, somehow I missed that. And I was no slacker lol. I'll have to ask my big sister if she remembers us being taught that.
 
CyndiaS said:
Wow..after having grown up in the truth, including going studying the Revelation book 2x at book study, somehow I missed that. And I was no slacker lol. I'll have to ask my big sister if she remembers us being taught that.
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I completely understand CyndiaS. In truth, there are so many inaccuracies in the Revelation book I remember getting it at the Convention. I couldn't wait and was up late reading and digging into it. We studied it in book study a few times and I thought I had a decent grasp on it. Yeah... No.... When I came across Roberts site many years ago - Revelation finally started to make sense to me.
 
Driven said:
Yes, the Watchtower teaches that the mark of the Beast started years ago, but it cannot have started until the 8th king in Revelation comes to power.
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Yeah, if you follow the WBTS teaching, people started to receive the mark when the head of the beast was miraculously healed in 1918. So millions have died with the MotB up till now. Try and bring that up with them, the ridiculousness, and they'll just look at you strangely.

I also like their recent take that the MotB is simply nationalism. How stupid.
 
kirmmy said:
Yeah, if you follow the WBTS teaching, people started to receive the mark when the head of the beast was miraculously healed in 1918. So millions have died with the MotB up till now. Try and bring that up with them, the ridiculousness, and they'll just look at you strangely.

I also like their recent take that the MotB is simply nationalism. How stupid.
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How can they say it's nationalism when scripture is very clear that you cannot buy or sell without it??
 
Dove08 said:
How can they say it's nationalism when scripture is very clear that you cannot buy or sell without it??
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Search me. (as my Father was fond of saying.)

But here's the article I got it from:


The Bible says that people receive “the mark of the wild beast” because they follow it “with admiration,” to the point of worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3, 4; 16:2) They do this by giving worshipful honor to their country, its symbols, or its military might. As The Encyclopedia of Religion states: “Nationalism has become a dominant form of religion in the modern world.” *

I doubt nationalism will even play a part. There will be a one world government and nations will be a thing of the past. But as RK is wont to say; they haven't got a clue.
 
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kirmmy said:
Yeah, if you follow the WBTS teaching, people started to receive the mark when the head of the beast was miraculously healed in 1918. So millions have died with the MotB up till now. Try and bring that up with them, the ridiculousness, and they'll just look at you strangely.

I also like their recent take that the MotB is simply nationalism. How stupid.
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Or celebrating holidays.
Give me a break!
 
kirmmy said:
Search me. (as my Father was fond of saying.)

But here's the article I got it from:


The Bible says that people receive “the mark of the wild beast” because they follow it “with admiration,” to the point of worshipping it. (Revelation 13:3, 4; 16:2) They do this by giving worshipful honor to their country, its symbols, or its military might. As The Encyclopedia of Religion states: “Nationalism has become a dominant form of religion in the modern world.” *

I doubt nationalism will even play a part. There will be a one world government and nations will be a thing of the past. But as RK is wont to say; they haven't got a cl
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Watchman said:
I watched the whole thing. It was excruciating. Their blindness is impenetrable. It will literally require the sky to fall on their heads to get them to wake up Here is a link to the search results on e-watchman for "mark of the beast"
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Thanks!
 
kirmmy said:
Yeah, if you follow the WBTS teaching, people started to receive the mark when the head of the beast was miraculously healed in 1918. So millions have died with the MotB up till now. Try and bring that up with them, the ridiculousness, and they'll just look at you strangely.

I also like their recent take that the MotB is simply nationalism. How stupid.
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Yeah, sounds so cuckoo to me, cuz isnt the wild beast system/8th King/NWO/Coalition of Nations/U.N the very definition of GLOBALIST and NOT NATIONALIST?! Therefore if anything, pledging allegiance to that wild beast system would involve a spirit of "globalism" not nationalism, rt? Gahh..🤦 😠
 
CyndiaS said:
Yeah, sounds so cuckoo to me, cuz isnt the wild beast system/8th King/NWO/Coalition of Nations/U.N the very definition of GLOBALIST and NOT NATIONALIST?! Therefore if anything, pledging allegiance to that wild beast system would involve a spirit of "globalism" not nationalism, rt? Gahh..🤦 😠
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Exactly!
 
CyndiaS said:
Towards the end of the talk, he speaks about the mark of the beast and worship of the beast, using the example of or connecting it to "nationalism and celebrating worldly holidays." I thought this was supposed to be a future development. Am I misunderstanding something or mis- characterizing what he was trying to convey?? Halp! 🤦😔

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Remember they are working with the United Nations. I recall someone on the forum talking to the branch by letter and they were told that the U.N / W.H.O. was one of the superior authorities quoting from Romans 13. In reality, there is zero truth to this statement. The U.N. has zero authority over American nationals, the authority has not been given it. The governing over the United States is brought about by the court system which hinges on its Jurisdiction which hinges on the law which hinges on the constitution. Since the United Nations has no jurisdiction except over its members. One would have to either.. one be an actual member of their organization or two... acquiesce to them as an authority through consent.
 
noname said:
Remember they are working with the United Nations. I recall someone on the forum talking to the branch by letter and they were told that the U.N / W.H.O. was one of the superior authorities quoting from Romans 13. In reality, there is zero truth to this statement. The U.N. has zero authority over American nationals, the authority has not been given it. The governing over the United States is brought about by the court system which hinges on its Jurisdiction which hinges on the law which hinges on the constitution. Since the United Nations has no jurisdiction except over its members. One would have to either.. one be an actual member of their organization or two... acquiesce to them as an authority through consent.
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We are not under the UN yet, but there is a treaty that the US may sign giving WHO, a division of the UN authority during pandemics. Then, we may fall under the UN. But regardless of that, if a “superior authority” told us to risk our life, we owe our life to Jesus, since he purchased us and to our God, Jehovah. So, in that case I would obey God rather then men.
 
noname said:
Remember they are working with the United Nations. I recall someone on the forum talking to the branch by letter and they were told that the U.N / W.H.O. was one of the superior authorities quoting from Romans 13. In reality, there is zero truth to this statement. The U.N. has zero authority over American nationals, the authority has not been given it. The governing over the United States is brought about by the court system which hinges on its Jurisdiction which hinges on the law which hinges on the constitution. Since the United Nations has no jurisdiction except over its members. One would have to either.. one be an actual member of their organization or two... acquiesce to them as an authority through consent.
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Seeing how the globalists are Freemason’s and that the U N is their brain child and that there has been proven to be a Freemason influence in the WT leadership, just a little simple addition brings you to the correct conclusion as to why the WT is so willing to cozy up to that institution.
 
this video is so weird

It's incomprehensible

They noticed that it says that people praise the beast for wanting to cure diseases

what does it refer to? That reference is very striking

I don't think they are aware that the beast is behind the vaccine

It does not seem that they want to go against what they have promoted these last 2 years

Apparently, as the report 1 says, those who do not get vaccinated side with political causes.

If we add it to the fact that this video speaks against nationalism, it seems to want to imply the following:

anti-vaccines = political partisanship = union with the beast = Marked by satan's system = 666



That logic is delusional and also insane but I think they go in that direction

If so, apostasy is undeniable.



They rightly insist that if they say something illogical you have to follow them

This makes no sense

They put the bad for good and the good for bad

Light for darkness and darkness for light

Woe to them !!!.......and those who follow them
 
Driven said:
We are not under the UN yet, but there is a treaty that the US may sign giving WHO, a division of the UN authority during pandemics. Then, we may fall under the UN. But regardless of that, if a “superior authority” told us to risk our life, we owe our life to Jesus, since he purchased us and to our God, Jehovah. So, in that case I would obey God rather then men.
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They can fraudulently manipulate people to consent to their authority, but as long as the US and individual states Constitutions hold as the highest authority of law, then you can still remain a law abiding person under the current authority.
And you can seek remedy. As the bible says the Head of the beast is going to have be completely chopped off before we are lawfully under their authority. The higher courts have even determined under the C.19 hysteria your constitutional rights cannot be violated, see case US V. Henning (2021). https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-henning-23
 
noname said:
They can fraudulently manipulate people to consent to their authority, but as long as the US and individual states Constitutions hold as the highest authority of law, then you can still remain a law abiding person under the current authority.
And you can seek remedy. As the bible says the Head of the beast is going to have be completely chopped off before we are lawfully under their authority. The higher courts have even determined under the C.19 hysteria your constitutional rights cannot be violated, see case US V. Henning (2021). https://casetext.com/case/united-states-v-henning-23
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Good to know. I was wondering how they can do that through a treaty. But I am not looking forward to being under the authority of the 8th beast.
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
Seeing how the globalists are Freemason’s and that the U N is their brain child and that there has been proven to be a Freemason influence in the WT leadership, just a little simple addition brings you to the correct conclusion as to why the WT is so willing to cozy up to that institution.
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I like the Lord of the Rings analogy, once you put on the ring of power it doesn't matter how good of person you are you start letting in the influence of the invisible dark forces. Even most of Israel's kings were bad. You just can't have cart blanche faithfulness just because of the position you are held in.
 
Driven said:
Good to know. I was wondering how they can do that through a treaty. But I am not looking forward to being under the authority of the 8th beast.
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Yea Im curious to look into that treaty now that you have mentioned it. Good thing it is said to be only for a short time.
 
noname said:
I like the Lord of the Rings analogy, once you put on the ring of power it doesn't matter how good of person you are you start letting in the influence of the invisible dark forces. Even most of Israel's kings were bad. You just can't have cart blanche faithfulness just because of the position you are held in.
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Haven't some of the G B been photographed sporting their Freemason rings?
 
In order to understand the GB you have to see things from their viewpoints. First off, they always resort to Safety as a default position. As seen with the vaxx encouragement talking points and highly encouraging mask wearing at KH's despite most state laws dismissing mask wearing mandates. Of course this is a sort of Achilles heel to the organization. As promises of safety means more governmental control with a loss of God given freedoms as the government takes the role of God, thus the mark of the beast. Let's be honest, no organization is perfect and to expect perfection in this world is not realistic. Many well studied mature Christians have access to Gods channel through prayer, it's not only exclusive to the GB. Secondly, they spend much of their day in studying the Bible and they encourage others to not be concerned about geopolitics. As a result, they have tunnel vision, even more so when they're social bubble is limited. You can't have a full 360 view of the world and the current system of things if you have a very casual or non studied view of geopolitical matters.
I remember when I personally was ignorant about geopolitics. I didn't agree with borders and I believed in climate change. But as I became more aware of corruption in media and government and what I was taught in school was secularized propaganda. I began to do vast amounts of research myself. Like follow where the money flows. Many JW's including the GB don't have the time to do this with their strict schedules. Keep in mind, I love them all but I feel like I need to warn them that promises of safety will eventually get the preaching work all banned. Nationalism is an old view, we live in a new world and what we are seeing now is the rise of the Tower of Babel but in the modern day. After much study I realized that Jehovah was for encouraging nation states and a decentralization of power. Jehovah was not for humanity to be ruled by a centralized human government authority which the Tower of Babel was all about. The Tower of Babel represented globalism as the centralized authority and ultimately the notorious Babylon the great the antichrist spirit. With Nimrod being the figurehead of the Antichrist. Jehovah understood that the Tower of Babel would corrupt humanity rapidly and threaten the lineage of Jesus Christ under a centralized global government so it was for those reasons that Jehovah confused their tongues and made them spread out to create a multitude of nations throughout the earth. So the mark of the beast isn't about nationalism especially in the modern day. The mark of the beast is that of a globalist power that wants to destroy borders and nation states to become the centralized authoritarian rule. And while there are very corrupt nations, some nations are better than others for Christians to thrive and live, though that's becoming more of a rarity now. The watchtower needs to point out the globalists powers and the institutions and big corporate businesses have more power than nationalism. In American schools for example, you're not going to be persecuted and put in jail for refusing to say the pledge of allegiance. Nationalism has died down significantly through culture that Hollywood and globalists WEF aggressively push on the newer generations, especially my millennial generation and also gen Z. If the mark of the beast is to be worshipped, it would be due to cultural popularity and nationalism is not culturally popular with these newer generations and the Watchtower needs to realize that or be blindsided with a rude awakening when they find out the "superior authority" government safety protocols is what ends up banning the preaching work entirely. The mark of the beast would be seen as a safety default to the ignorant. As those who are against it will be persecuted and labeled as conspiracy theorists because they don't think the "superior authorities" have their best interests in mind. I pray that many have realized this as the vaccine mandates are a good precursor of a warning before the actual mark of the beast, whatever that might be.
 
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