"Keep on the watch therefore, because you know neither the day or the hour"....

[Nomex]

I don't remember if I have posted about this, it seems like I must have, because it doesn't seem possible I am just now thinking about this, but perhaps it's a similar thought but just a slightly different take.


When Covid started I was puzzled by the way WT was handling things, I know I have posted that. And that in itself is a whole topic. But I was listening to Alex Jones today and he said something, a few things actually, but this is the heart of the matter. "Why would we believe known liars?"


Keep that question in your mind while I break this all down.

If you ask any JW what did Jesus mean when he said what he said at Matt 25:13 what would be their answer? They are not keeping on the watch for Jesus return! What exactly was Jesus saying to look out for? Well, in chapter 24 he gives a whole list of things to look out for...IN WORLD EVENTS! JW's will tell you "we see the fulfillment of Bible prophecy all around us." OK, that's because in order to believe what they believe they have to gas light themselves, into thinking that Jesus prophecy was going to go own for 109 years. But again, what exactly are they "keeping on the watch" for? It is not Jesus return. In fact, all those prophecies in Matthew and in the book of Revelation, all but lets say 3, have been fulfilled.

So the GB/WT and the rank and file are NOT "keeping on the watch" for the return of Jesus. And there's the answer why they believe known liars. They are NOT keeping on the watch and they have no idea who or what these people are, (the people in charge of the world), what they are up to, or what their agenda is. They have no need to "keep on the watch" because Jesus already returned. They have no reason to be concerned what these people are doing, because the issue of Jehovah's sovereignty was settled back in 1914! Never mind trying to figure out how they don't see what's right in front of them, but neither did I. It wasn't until I got on these forums and read these posts here, and read Robert's work, that I realized I wasn't "keeping on the watch" for Jesus return either.

This explains how they are able to have their heads so far up their own keisters, that they think we should use Romans 13, to obey obvious malevolent intent by the WHO and the rest of the worlds governments. How they could actually think that Zoom meetings were obeying the instruction "not to be forsaking the gathering of yourselves together." LOL! Never mind that the whole world violated the most basic requirements of human interaction, things like putting your arms around a dying loved one, but instead letting them die alone. Something you don't need any sophisticated Bible understanding to know was demonic!!!

And everything else they did with "social distancing" another completely demonic decree. Jehovah created us as social creatures, this is why extended periods in solitary confinement in prisons is illegal in Western countries. Again, its a demonic agenda.

This brings me back once again, to why WT and the GB approached this fake plandemic the way they did. It's because they are NOT "keeping on the watch", and therefore they have no clue and no idea what's happening in the world, let alone what's coming! Think about that gem! They have NO CLUE, NONE, ZILCH NADA, no idea what so ever, what's going on in the world! Therefore how could they POSSIBLY interpret Bible prophecies? Let that sink in! If they have no idea that Covid wasn't what the world claimed it was, the vaccine was not safe or effective, it was not provided for by Jehovah, and in fact was and is deadly, how could they have any clue what the GT is going to be who the King of the North is, etc.


They think none of this matters, because Jesus already returned. They have no need to "keep on the watch".

Let be put a book end on this. The reason they will be beaten with many strokes, is because they believe know liars, who they themselves admit and supposedly believe, is controlled and run by "the father of the lie." But when you are looking at world events from the perspective of the fantasy construct you have created, you will be completely blind sided and "that day will come as a thief." Keep in mind Jesus admonition, to keep on the watch, the point is, you won't be surprised by the thief, if you are awake when he arrives.

 

[Nomex]

I should point out that Robert @Watchman has a take on this I really appreciate, it's the "3rd coming of Christ"...show me that in the Bible...just goes to show, and prove, the "irrational, unreasonable, and complete BS that we will be telling you in the future, you must listen to and obey", (yeah I embellished some), isn't really new!

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

To add another point @Nomex to this is the Reference Bible’s translation of 1 Corinthians 11:26 which reads:

“For as often as YOU eat this loaf and drink this cup, YOU keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives.”
So if Jesus has already come or “arrived“ how come they’re still celebrating the Memorial of Jesus’ death? Due to the fact that WT teaches Jesus arrived in 1914 so the Lord’s evening meal should no longer be observed…since the year 1914!

 

[DR75 less 1]

I agree Jesus has not come yet. Can't be far off but.

 

[Nomex]

To add another point @Nomex to this is the Reference Bible’s translation of 1 Corinthians 11:26 which reads:

“For as often as YOU eat this loaf and drink this cup, YOU keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives.”
So if Jesus has already come or “arrived“ how come they’re celebrating the Memorial of Jesus’ death? Due to the fact that WT teaches Jesus arrived in 1914 so the Lord’s evening meal should no longer be observed…since the year 1914.

100% excellent point...it's hard to believe we all just sat there all those years and it never occurred to us this made no sense...except of course the double think they employ. The whole idea can not actually be explained away either with their really bad explanation of "Jesus invisible presence." Because that means he actually did "arrive". In other words, you cannot say, "well we observe the memorial because Jesus hasn't installed his Kingdom on the earth yet"....however, that would mean he hasn't arrived since they themselves say he began ruling "invisibly" but from heaven.


And when you put it like that it makes you ask your self, why make the prophecy to "keep on the watch" in the first place, because if his second coming is "invisible" how would anyone know when he "arrives"?

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

it's hard to believe we all just sat there all those years and it never occurred to us this made no sense...except of course the double think they employ. The whole idea can not actually be explained away either with their really bad explanation of "Jesus invisible presence.”

That’s because WE WERE under the “delusion.” Now, we see that the ‘veil’ has been lifted…and the ‘scales’ have fallen from our eyes. All thanks to Jehovah!

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

And when you put it like that it makes you ask your self, why make the prophecy to "keep on the watch" in the first place, because if his second coming is "invisible" how would anyone know when he "arrives"?

WT says you look at the SIGNS! But then how could he be coming as a thief through SIGNS?
But we know better now…

 

[Nomex]

It's funny because just now I commented on a channel I follow on YouTube about a game where they have you picking your characters "pronouns" and my comment got deleted as hate speech I actually got a notification about it...the good news is i still have the comment up in another window so I will now immortalize it....and this is what Youtube deems "hate speech."....

"At the heart of all of this, is denial that these people are mentally ill. There are hilarious videos even on YouTube from the fifties about "homosexuals" being mentally ill. This is the natural progression of this ideology, and what comes next is them normalizing Pedophilia! And that's the whole point of this "gender affirming" BS! This was NEVER about acceptance, this was about force. Forcing people to pretend this garbage is "normal." It's not Gender is "assigned" at birth, it is established at conception. That's the actual science, and the actual reality. Your body didn't get it wrong, it's your mind that got it wrong!"


This is the video...it's not a game I have or plan to...it's just a guy I follow commenting about this garbage!

 

[DR75 less 1]

WT says you look at the SIGNS! But then how could he be coming as a thief through SIGNS?
But we know better now…

A thief does not leave clues as to when he will rob the place.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

A thief does not leave clues as to when he will rob the place.

Great point! DR75 less 1. 👍🏼

 

[Watchman]

You have to pity the GB and all the leading lights. We are expecting too much of them. They will never figure it out. Not until the sky falls down on their heads. I have sent all the GB the book and brochures. Many of you get it, why can't they? Because Jehovah has pulled the wool over their eyes, so to speak: "For Jehovah has poured a spirit of deep sleep on you; He has closed your eyes, the prophets, and he has covered your heads, the visionaries."

 

[Sundial]

Luke 19:40 ASV​

And he answered and said, I tell you that, if these shall hold their peace, the stones will cry out.
Are we hearing the stones yet?

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Great point! DR75 less 1. 👍🏼

Actually, strictly speaking, the opposite is true. If you look at the ”signs” written in the bible, it describes the very conditions in which all sorts of crimes can occur and that watchtower speak of. It even describes the attitude of the people 2 Timothy 3. Etc. Revelation describes the world scene, hunger, war, unrest, the “restless sea of mankind.“ Food shortages lead to thieving, money difficulties likewise and certainly war leads to famine. When the scripture refers to the wise virgins and their oil, indeed it mentions preparedness. In another place - memory fails me - it says that if we knew what time the thief is coming, we would not leave the house unguarded. The message is then, that the thief IS coming. we just do not know when. It is not so much that he may come, but is coming. Do we therefore need a clue of his attendance on us, or are we certain, therefore, we “keep on the watch”. The thief then, as noted, does not announce his arrival. But he IS coming, and that you can be sure of.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

Actually, strictly speaking, the opposite is true. If you look at the ”signs” written in the bible, it describes the very conditions in which all sorts of crimes can occur and that watchtower speak of. It even describes the attitude of the people 2 Timothy 3. Etc. Revelation describes the world scene, hunger, war, unrest, the “restless sea of mankind.“ Food shortages lead to thieving, money difficulties likewise and certainly war leads to famine. When the scripture refers to the wise virgins and their oil, indeed it mentions preparedness. In another place - memory fails me - it says that if we knew what time the thief is coming, we would not leave the house unguarded. The message is then, that the thief IS coming. we just do not know when. It is not so much that he may come, but is coming. Do we therefore need a clue of his attendance on us, or are we certain, therefore, we “keep on the watch”. The thief then, as noted, does not announce his arrival. But he IS coming, and that you can be sure of.

Thank you Barnaby for adjusting my thinking on that. 👍🏼

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Thank you Barnaby for adjusting my thinking on that. 👍🏼

I’m simply repeating what the bible indicates to be the case. We all adjust to that in our own way no matter who says it. We must step out from watchtower thinking and the oppression of men and “make the truth our own”, or as I prefer to think, “own” the truth. Let the truth become ourselves. We do not need to be told that or “adjusted“ to the thinking of others, but simply keep praying for insight. It is the Holy Spirit that lifts the veil to understanding. Not men. This is essentially why some are stumbled in looking to men, such as Robert rather than listening to the bible as discussed with, by and between us. Of which we are all an equal part. Following behind together as a group as the Israelites did on leaving Egypt is the place to be. Moses did not lead the Israelites out of Egypt, a huge pillar of cloud did by day, and a pillar of fire by night…. “Before them”, and when Moses mistook his position for another not given him, he screwed up big-time and became the last of all, left alone on the mountain while others went forward to the promise. What is safe for us all is the Borean attitude of discussion between ourselves, sharing at the table and taking away sustenance according to our needs as equals seeking the ONE thing only. Truth.

 

[Ms_ladyblue]

I’m simply repeating what the bible indicates to be the case. We all adjust to that in our own way no matter who says it. We must step out from watchtower thinking and the oppression of men and “make the truth our own”, or as I prefer to think, “own” the truth. Let the truth become ourselves.

Maybe my response was the wrong choice of words. What I meant by “adjusting my thinking “ was just as you said here, ”repeating what the Bible indicates to be the case.”
After years of being taught watchtower thinking it is as if we are waging spiritual warfare, just as 2 Corinthians 10:4,5 says:

“For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ;”

So because of the “entrenched“ thinking of WT after so many years I certainly wouldn’t want to become enslaved to another one’s thinking again. You have to admit that we’re in a spiritual war, as God’s word says, so the weapons of our warfare include God’s word. And that is my focus and what I base my faith upon otherwise “injurious reasonings” might hinder me from having a relationship with God.

We do not need to be told that or “adjusted“ to the thinking of others, but simply keep praying for insight. It is the Holy Spirit that lifts the veil to understanding. Not men. This is essentially why some are stumbled in looking to men, such as Robert rather than listening to the bible as discussed with, by and between us. Of which we are all an equal part.

You’re right, never would we want to follow behind the thinking of others, but to read differing views on certain matters can be enlightening. For example, RK’s commentaries on the prophecies made so much sense when I read them for the first time. For years I prayed to Jehovah for insight to help me have real understanding or the “truth” about those prophecies as WT‘s explanation sounded more and more ridiculous/ meaningless.

Following behind together as a group as the Israelites did on leaving Egypt is the place to be. Moses did not lead the Israelites out of Egypt, a huge pillar of cloud did by day, and a pillar of fire by night…. “Before them”, and when Moses mistook his position for another not given him, he screwed up big-time and became the last of all, left alone on the mountain while others went forward to the promise. What is safe for us all is the Bornean attitude of discussion between ourselves, sharing at the table and taking away sustenance according to our needs as equals seeking the ONE thing only. Truth.

Yes, as a group we can share what we know as we are ”carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.” And of course we would want to seek the “truth“ “making the truth our own“ or “own” the truth...
It’s just as Jesus said, “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” ( John 8: 31,32 )

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I’m simply repeating what the bible indicates to be the case. We all adjust to that in our own way no matter who says it. We must step out from watchtower thinking and the oppression of men and “make the truth our own”, or as I prefer to think, “own” the truth. Let the truth become ourselves. We do not need to be told that or “adjusted“ to the thinking of others, but simply keep praying for insight. It is the Holy Spirit that lifts the veil to understanding. Not men. This is essentially why some are stumbled in looking to men, such as Robert rather than listening to the bible as discussed with, by and between us. Of which we are all an equal part. Following behind together as a group as the Israelites did on leaving Egypt is the place to be. Moses did not lead the Israelites out of Egypt, a huge pillar of cloud did by day, and a pillar of fire by night…. “Before them”, and when Moses mistook his position for another not given him, he screwed up big-time and became the last of all, left alone on the mountain while others went forward to the promise. What is safe for us all is the Borean attitude of discussion between ourselves, sharing at the table and taking away sustenance according to our needs as equals seeking the ONE thing only. Truth.

Maybe my response was the wrong choice of words. What I meant by “adjusting my thinking “ was just as you said here, ”repeating what the Bible indicates to be the case.”
After years of being taught watchtower thinking it is as if we are waging spiritual warfare, just as 2 Corinthians 10:4,5 says:

“For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ;”

So because of the “entrenched“ thinking of WT after so many years I certainly wouldn’t want to become enslaved to another one’s thinking again. You have to admit that we’re in a spiritual war, as God’s word says, so the weapons of our warfare include God’s word. And that is my focus and what I base my faith upon otherwise “injurious reasonings” might hinder me from having a relationship with God.

You’re right, never would we want to follow behind the thinking of others, but to read differing views on certain matters can be enlightening. For example, RK’s commentaries on the prophecies made so much sense when I read them for the first time. For years I prayed to Jehovah for insight to help me have real understanding or the “truth” about those prophecies as WT‘s explanation sounded more and more ridiculous/ meaningless.

Yes, as a group we can share what we know as we are ”carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.” And of course we would want to seek the “truth“ “making the truth our own“ or “own” the truth...
It’s just as Jesus said, “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” ( John 8: 31,32 )

I very much agree with you. I only defended the issue as I cannot afford to be seen to be a teacher of the truth. I only talk around the issues in the hope that someone will enlighten me further. If Jehovah gave me a hat, I’d wear it, but until then, my only qualifications are academic and not spiritual. But as with others, such as Nomex, watchtower still looms large in our eyes and all this submissive attitude they impose on sisters goes well beyond all that is asked of by the scriptures - and, I might add, is an evidence indicator of abuses that are so rampant in watchtower. The scriptures are a wonderful release from all that. 👍

 

[DR75 less 1]

Actually, strictly speaking, the opposite is true. If you look at the ”signs” written in the bible, it describes the very conditions in which all sorts of crimes can occur and that watchtower speak of. It even describes the attitude of the people 2 Timothy 3. Etc. Revelation describes the world scene, hunger, war, unrest, the “restless sea of mankind.“ Food shortages lead to thieving, money difficulties likewise and certainly war leads to famine. When the scripture refers to the wise virgins and their oil, indeed it mentions preparedness. In another place - memory fails me - it says that if we knew what time the thief is coming, we would not leave the house unguarded. The message is then, that the thief IS coming. we just do not know when. It is not so much that he may come, but is coming. Do we therefore need a clue of his attendance on us, or are we certain, therefore, we “keep on the watch”. The thief then, as noted, does not announce his arrival. But he IS coming, and that you can be sure of.

You miss the point prehaps. The things you mentioned ( some at least ) happen at or after the Christ comes. ie "The last Days" They don't give clues as to "When" he arrives. Because he will already be here. so to speak 2 Tim 3 is after the fact. It is confirmation that the "The Last Days" are here, Paul is just detailing what will be "Here" during that time. Did not Jesus say that if you knew at what time the thief comes you would not let your house be broken into. Hence the need to keep on the watch. Still I could be missing something but.

 

[Truth_Seeker]

For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord is coming just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction will come upon them like labor pains upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness, so that the day would overtake you like a thief; for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of night nor of darkness; so then, let’s not sleep as others do, but let’s be alert and sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who are drunk, get drunk at night. But since we are of the day, let’s be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, Therefore, encourage one another and build one another up, just as you also are doing. Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus. do not utterly reject prophecies, but examine everything; hold firmly to that which is good, abstain from every form of evil. Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He who calls you, and He also will do it.
1 Thessalonians 5:2‭-‬9‭, ‬11‭, ‬16‭-‬18‭, ‬20‭-‬24

“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: as soon as its branch has become tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near; so you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. “But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Matthew 24:32‭-‬33‭, ‬36‭-‬39

I guess Jesus is coming as a thief in the night for those who are not on the watch. Even though the day and the hour are not known, for those who are on the watch there are a multitude of clues that indicate the day is about to begin.

 

[Truth_Seeker]

“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place— let the reader understand— then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house. And whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those women who are pregnant, and to those who are nursing babies in those days! Moreover, pray that when you flee, it will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again. And if those days had not been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘He is over here,’ do not believe him. For false christs and false prophets will arise and will provide great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
Matthew 24:15‭-‬28

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