Lies...d*mn Lies and Statistics.

4JahandChrist said:
I made a video with some quotes going back to the 70's showing that they were going to depopulate and restrict consumption. On Aussie TV in 1973 the Club of Rome said they were going to severely cutback America and Australia. I'll see if i can upload and send via PM. (Can't stick it out here for anonymity reasons. )
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I could not have believed it if COVID hadn’t happened but I believe it now.
 
4JahandChrist said:
I made a video with some quotes going back to the 70's showing that they were going to depopulate and restrict consumption. On Aussie TV in 1973 the Club of Rome said they were going to severely cutback America and Australia. I'll see if i can upload and send via PM. (Can't stick it out here for anonymity reasons. )
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I've just listened to it. The Georgia Guidestones mentioned something about only half a billion of earth's inhabitants are needed 🙄
 
Just in case anyone on the forum would like to know when Trump knew that he had followed the wrong guidance on COVID, it was in April 2020. Many emails and even Fauci’s diary has been released. This email exchange between the scarf lady (Debra Birx) and Fauci probably only pertains to the lockdown and school closings but it should have signaled at least more inquiry into the vaccine, which had not yet been released in April 2020.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2081537711614152991
 
I think many people have noticed that in people that they know who received the COVID vaccine, many seem to undergo a personality change. It’s something that does seem anecdotal but I recently saw the statistics on the number of violent incidents on the airlines and the increase is really breathtaking. It does make one wonder if brains have been altered.

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The number of incidences in 2021, alone, increased to 5,981 and many related to the wearing of masks.
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SusanB said:
I think many people have noticed that in people that they know who received the COVID vaccine, many seem to undergo a personality change. It’s something that does seem anecdotal but I recently saw the statistics on the number of violent incidents on the airlines and the increase is really breathtaking. It does make one wonder if brains have been altered.

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The number of incidences in 2021, alone, increased to 5,981 and many related to the wearing of masks.
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Just had seen this today:

 
SusanB said:
I think many people have noticed that in people that they know who received the COVID vaccine, many seem to undergo a personality change. It’s something that does seem anecdotal but I recently saw the statistics on the number of violent incidents on the airlines and the increase is really breathtaking. It does make one wonder if brains have been altered.

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The number of incidences in 2021, alone, increased to 5,981 and many related to the wearing of masks.
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Oh Susan, I don't stop noticing it, they're driving me mad, I've come across so many, in customer service roles in particular, that I just accept it now, but I don't let them bully me, especially when I've just paid for their service. I think it's because they know they've been scammed and wished they could go back in time and refuse, like we did..
 
On statistics, I recently attended a district convention. I remember the peak attendance on Sunday back in 1987 was 7,000. By the mid 1990's this peaked at around 9000 and the Brothers had to seek out a larger venue.

Same convention in 2026. 5400 in attendance on Sunday. 3900 in person and 1500 on the video stream. The Convention cities' population increased by 30% during this time period and the JW numbers dropped by 30%.

If you go by the "in person" numbers then the attendance is down by over 50%. Gone are the days where back in my youthful hubris, I would mock Christendom for having shrinking numbers and then laud our increasing numbers as a sign of being the True Religion.

The flip side to this is that increase is occurring in the Third World so the numbers have increased globally. But the Western countries are taking a real hit and the congregations are both shrinking and aging. Western numbers are being padded by the new reporting system. The real numbers of actual "in person" attendance at meetings and field service have seen an alarming decline......particularly post Covid.
 
4JahandChrist said:
On statistics, I recently attended a district convention. I remember the peak attendance on Sunday back in 1987 was 7,000. By the mid 1990's this peaked at around 9000 and the Brothers had to seek out a larger venue.

Same convention in 2026. 5400 in attendance on Sunday. 3900 in person and 1500 on the video stream. The Convention cities' population increased by 30% during this time period and the JW numbers dropped by 30%.

If you go by the "in person" numbers then the attendance is down by over 50%. Gone are the days where back in my youthful hubris, I would mock Christendom for having shrinking numbers and then laud our increasing numbers as a sign of being the True Religion.

The flip side to this is that increase is occurring in the Third World so the numbers have increased globally. But the Western countries are taking a real hit and the congregations are both shrinking and aging. Western numbers are being padded by the new reporting system. The real numbers of actual "in person" attendance at meetings and field service have seen an alarming decline......particularly post Covid.
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At the mid week meeting, they took the vote for the monthly donation to the world wide work. We had 43 baptized publishers in the hall and 32 on zoom.
Today's meeting, the Watchtower conductor made the comment that we had more on zoom than in person.
It doesn't sound good.
 
Patricia said:
At the mid week meeting, they took the vote for the monthly donation to the world wide work. We had 43 baptized publishers in the hall and 32 on zoom.
Today's meeting, the Watchtower conductor made the comment that we had more on zoom than in person.
It doesn't sound good.
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During Covid they made a big deal about Zoom being a blessing from Jehovah and record numbers in attendance being evidence that Jehovah is behind Zoom. Once they did that they couldn't go back on it as they would be saying that Jehovah has now taken his blessing away from the Streaming Video.

The course of wisdom is not to say what Jehovah is and isn't doing without Biblical backing. They make a rod for their own back by going beyond the things written. The same with the Jabs. If they had of stayed neutral they would have nothing to fear about safety data coming out in the MSM showing their toxicity.

When it comes to claiming to speak for Jehovah it pays not to get too presumptuous or cocky.....just like Moses at Meribah......even the meekest of Mankind can fall into error and self delusion. (and the example of Moses tells us clearly how Jehovah feels on the matter)
 
4JahandChrist said:
On statistics, I recently attended a district convention. I remember the peak attendance on Sunday back in 1987 was 7,000. By the mid 1990's this peaked at around 9000 and the Brothers had to seek out a larger venue.

Same convention in 2026. 5400 in attendance on Sunday. 3900 in person and 1500 on the video stream. The Convention cities' population increased by 30% during this time period and the JW numbers dropped by 30%.

If you go by the "in person" numbers then the attendance is down by over 50%. Gone are the days where back in my youthful hubris, I would mock Christendom for having shrinking numbers and then laud our increasing numbers as a sign of being the True Religion.

The flip side to this is that increase is occurring in the Third World so the numbers have increased globally. But the Western countries are taking a real hit and the congregations are both shrinking and aging. Western numbers are being padded by the new reporting system. The real numbers of actual "in person" attendance at meetings and field service have seen an alarming decline......particularly post Covid.
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I can trump that, here in the UK one of the London conventions was held in Twickenham Rugby Stadium, 82,000 capacity, they only used one side of it for around 8 to 9000 brothers and sisters! When I used to go there back in the 80's it used to be bursting at the seams I've no idea why they rented that stadium for so few brothers and sisters, all that money wasted 😬
 
4JahandChrist said:
During Covid they made a big deal about Zoom being a blessing from Jehovah and record numbers in attendance being evidence that Jehovah is behind Zoom. Once they did that they couldn't go back on it as they would be saying that Jehovah has now taken his blessing away from the Streaming Video.

The course of wisdom is not to say what Jehovah is and isn't doing without Biblical backing. They make a rod for their own back by going beyond the things written. The same with the Jabs. If they had of stayed neutral they would have nothing to fear about safety data coming out in the MSM showing their toxicity.

When it comes to claiming to speak for Jehovah it pays not to get too presumptuous or cocky.....just like Moses at Meribah......even the meekest of Mankind can fall into error and self delusion. (and the example of Moses tells us clearly how Jehovah feels on the matter)
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Well had watchtower not sold all the halls to line their own pockets with “Jehovah’s will” then perhaps people would not have drive 60 miles or so to attend. If the gb want to attend a meeting they simply have to roll out of bed. I don’t know how zoom works at the hall - can you actually see others attending and can they see you? How many publicly drop off to sleep in their armchair during the watchtower meeting to echoes of snoring around the hall? Do they figuratively ‘donate’ at the end of the meeting by putting a dollar in their old coffee tin? As you point out, the elders bring their own judgement to the hall now to speak to empty rows of seats while the congregation sit at home because they can’t afford to attend! Who can afford to travel AND ‘donate’.
 
Patricia said:
At the mid week meeting, they took the vote for the monthly donation to the world wide work. We had 43 baptized publishers in the hall and 32 on zoom.
Today's meeting, the Watchtower conductor made the comment that we had more on zoom than in person.
It doesn't sound good.
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At our midweek meeting last week my favourite elder (favourite because he keeps "accidentally" saying things to get the brothers and sisters to think for themselves) gave a follow up talk concerning the increase in donations that he'd given the week before. Anyway, he reminded everyone how and when we "gave" our kingdom hall to the Watchtower and said it meant that they wouldn't have to be responsible for upgrades/refurbs etc just the basics running costs because Watchtower are now the landlord and we are just tenants. BUT, they'd recently had a visit from a Watchtower "inspector" (can't remember what they're called now) and he'd pointed out a couple of things that the congregation is OBLIGATED to do and pay for THEMSELVES and it comes to around £7000 altogether. He laughed and said "who'd have ever thought that a landlord could force the tenants to pay for big jobs themselves and even make them do the work too??!! Oops! I shouldn't have said that, please brothers and sisters, try and delete that thought from your minds!!"
I said to myself "Too late brother, you've said it now!!"
Anyway, he sheepishly asked us all to try and dig even deeper for all this extra money they need to get this work done. Poor brothers and sisters, their heads must be spinning.. 😬
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Well had watchtower not sold all the halls to line their own pockets with “Jehovah’s will” then perhaps people would not have drive 60 miles or so to attend. If the gb want to attend a meeting they simply have to roll out of bed. I don’t know how zoom works at the hall - can you actually see others attending and can they see you? How many publicly drop off to sleep in their armchair during the watchtower meeting to echoes of snoring around the hall? Do they figuratively ‘donate’ at the end of the meeting by putting a dollar in their old coffee tin? As you point out, the elders bring their own judgement to the hall now to speak to empty rows of seats while the congregation sit at home because they can’t afford to attend! Who can afford to travel AND ‘donate’.
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When I first moved up norf to this lovely little town we used to have 3 kingdom halls and 4 congregations. About 10yrs ago the Watchtower sold one of the halls under the guise of there was a plant in the garden that they couldn't get rid of 🙄 A builder bought it, knocked it down and built a great big block of apartments on it. The brothers and sisters were shipped off to share another hall. A few weeks ago the Watchtower shut that other hall saying that the roof joists need replacing and that it is such a massive job that it's probably going to take about 18 months (was that a pig I just saw flying past my window?) Anyway, the 2 congregations that shared it have been shipped off to 2 halls in the next town, only while the work is being done. We shall see..
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
At our midweek meeting last week my favourite elder (favourite because he keeps "accidentally" saying things to get the brothers and sisters to think for themselves) gave a follow up talk concerning the increase in donations that he'd given the week before. Anyway, he reminded everyone how and when we "gave" our kingdom hall to the Watchtower and said it meant that they wouldn't have to be responsible for upgrades/refurbs etc just the basics running costs because Watchtower are now the landlord and we are just tenants. BUT, they'd recently had a visit from a Watchtower "inspector" (can't remember what they're called now) and he'd pointed out a couple of things that the congregation is OBLIGATED to do and pay for THEMSELVES and it comes to around £7000 altogether. He laughed and said "who'd have ever thought that a landlord could force the tenants to pay for big jobs themselves and even make them do the work too??!! Oops! I shouldn't have said that, please brothers and sisters, try and delete that thought from your minds!!"
I said to myself "Too late brother, you've said it now!!"
Anyway, he sheepishly asked us all to try and dig even deeper for all this extra money they need to get this work done. Poor brothers and sisters, their heads must be spinning.. 😬
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Utterly disgraceful of the “hall inspector” (or ‘enforcer’). Legally the watchtower could not force the congregations to pay for wear and tear, so the congregation could do something about it. They could also withhold their guilt enforced donations until the sum needed for repair is reached. That’s only fair. Perhaps you could enlighten the overseer? This is not a time for the congregation to impoverish themselves on the say so of dishonesty in legal process by the watchtower. It’s a betrayal of trust in legal terms, let alone the ethics of betrayal by watchtower. Has the legal obligation to pay been proven from the sale contract to watchtower of the hall? It could easily be done as the secretary should have a legal copy of the “gift”. If you give me an email address I’ll tell them myself! The cheek of it! The great crowd is awakening it seems from what you say.
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
When I first moved up norf to this lovely little town we used to have 3 kingdom halls and 4 congregations. About 10yrs ago the Watchtower sold one of the halls under the guise of there was a plant in the garden that they couldn't get rid of 🙄 A builder bought it, knocked it down and built a great big block of apartments on it. The brothers and sisters were shipped off to share another hall. A few weeks ago the Watchtower shut that other hall saying that the roof joists need replacing and that it is such a massive job that it's probably going to take about 18 months (was that a pig I just saw flying past my window?) Anyway, the 2 congregations that shared it have been shipped off to 2 halls in the next town, only while the work is being done. We shall see..
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Folks around here put up a whole house in a few weeks time. 18 months for a roof?!🤣.
Yep pigs flying, and there are some wolves hiding under some fluffy white wool too.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Perhaps you could enlighten the overseer?
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He doesn't need enlightening Barney, he's the PO or whatever the new term is now, he knows what's going on but he can't do anything about it as he's stuck between caring for, and about, the brothers and sisters (which he does very well indeed) and doing as the Watchtower tells him. He's the elder in the congregation that everyone goes to because he's such a decent man. Over the years, he's shouldered a big "load" He'd probably feel too much guilt if he stepped "down" 🥺
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
He doesn't need enlightening Barney, he's the PO or whatever the new term is now, he knows what's going on but he can't do anything about it as he's stuck between caring for, and about, the brothers and sisters (which he does very well indeed) and doing as the Watchtower tells him. He's the elder in the congregation that everyone goes to because he's such a decent man. Over the years, he's shouldered a big "load" He'd probably feel too much guilt if he stepped "down" 🥺
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Reminds me of some of the friends talking about the wife of an elder who passed away. They told me she claimed that being one killed him. He was one who took his responsibility seriously & eventually he (IIRC...) passed away from a heart attack from all the stress of being one. Mind you this was pre-Covid.
 
PJ54 said:
Reminds me of some of the friends talking about the wife of an elder who passed away. They told me she claimed that being one killed him. He was one who took his responsibility seriously & eventually he (IIRC...) passed away from a heart attack from all the stress of being one. Mind you this was pre-Covid.
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I know what you mean.. this brother is about 75 and he and 3 other elders/ministerial servants all in their late 60's and 70's all went to a Led Zeppelin tribute night last weekend, honestly I was so "dazed and confused" (🤪) when I heard because if one of the brothers hadn't told me himself they were going I'd never ever have believed it. I think the stress of everything really must be getting to them 🤐
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
I know what you mean.. this brother is about 75 and he and 3 other elders/ministerial servants all in their late 60's and 70's all went to a Led Zeppelin tribute night last weekend, honestly I was so "dazed and confused" (🤪) when I heard because if one of the brothers hadn't told me himself they were going I'd never ever have believed it. I think the stress of everything really must be getting to them 🤐
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Going to a led zeppelin concert at any age is ill advised unless one is a knight in white satin I presume. I’m not sure that this is a stress reaction - have you checked the elders manual? It may be a requirement for progression.
 
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