Lost and confused

goldie

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I'm right there with you bro. I don't know how you can maintain as an elder in current circumstances. Kudos to you for not going insane. I'm planning my exit strategy and I think I'm begining to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I feel Jah is providing me a safe way out. We're seeing signs of the disgusting thing. This thread has offered much evidence. I for one don't want to be caught in a position of responsibility within the congregation when "the tower" collapses. Could get crushed by some "falling bricks" while trying to support the failing structure. I think now is time to work toward and exit.
Jay son are u an elder?
 

Lisa-Lisa

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Goldie we totally understand what you’re going through. My husband had several months of back and forth and yes it does feel like your whole world is turned upside down. Some need to process things emotionally and some are the just give me the facts type. The conclusion I came to was treating the GBs cvd actions like a court case.

1. Do I believe the vx was created to kill / depopulate? Yes
2. Did the GB wholeheartedly endorse the vx? Yes
3. Did the GB act like a mouthpiece for the CDC, WHO, and big Pharma? Yes
4. Did the GB have time to realize if they had made a ”mistake“? Yes. I’m gonna say 2 1/2 years is plenty of time - ain’t no mistake folks!
5. Did the GB put the elders effectively on a gag order to not say anything negative about the v? Yes
6. Did the GB offer any warnings about potential side effects or harm? No
7. Did the GB take into consideration each individual’s unique health circumstances? No it was a blanket vx for all young and old!
8. Did the GB state the vx direction came from Jehovah and Jesus? Yes
9. Does the GB continue to promote the v even after all the mounting evidence against them? Yes
10. Are people getting injured and dying from the v? Yes and this is easily verified by the CDCs own VAERS report - over 31k deaths so far reported but we know that’s only a fraction of the actual number.

I could go on and on but I see a smoking gun and I’m calling out the murderers. There is no way this was ”Jehovah’s direction” so that makes them liars on top of murderers. Case closed in my mind.
Guilty of murder in the first degree! The evidence is there, the jury is in, now we are patiently waiting for the judge to pass sentence! Come Lord Jesus!!!
 

SeaGull

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Goldie, I have much sympathy for you. I was feeling the same way when I first joined this forum in January. I was lost, confused, alone. Know that you are not alone. There are many of us here who have felt or still feel the same way you do. This was our life, our beloved organization, the source of truth, our certain hope for the future. Everything in our life was tied up with and revolved around the organization, and "doing Jehovah's will". So where does that leave us when it becomes apparent that the organization is not actually doing Jehovah's will? We pray, we beg Jehovah to lead and guide us. We do research. Lots of research.

Here's what I did / am doing. Read the Bible. Not the NWT. Read and compare other translations. Try to look at the scriptures with fresh eyes, apart from beliefs you have been indoctrinated with.

Read Robert's articles & book, read Crisis of Conscience, and I could recommend several other books. There are a lot of videos too, but it's hard because many exjw videos are not upbuilding and may make things more confusing.

I am still in a limbo situation. I am POMO, because I don't go to meetings anymore or do service, but I have not "outed" myself (other than to my husband and parents) and my congregation has basically forgotten that I exist (which is fine!). I don't know what to do either. I am laying low and using this time to learn and hopefully not get even more confused. When the time comes, I feel like I will know what to do and Jehovah will make it clear.


@ MuleJule - I think I may be like you, in a way.
like you said: "am still in a limbo situation." and " I am laying low and using this time to learn and hopefully not get even more confused. When the time comes, I feel like I will know what to do and Jehovah will make it clear."

I truly appreciate this forum and everything Robert King has done. It's just that I do not want to jump into something just because I had the "rug pulled out from under me" ( spiritually)
When I began to study the bible way back in 1975 - I investigated and researched for for 2 years. I had to do a lot of praying to make a decision to get baptized.
I feel that all the work Robert King has done - will save him, and Jehovah will bless him. But I feel very strongly that each persons relationship with Jehovah God is on the line between him/her and Jehovah God only.
I'm not looking for emotional security, or a new spiritual family either.
Soon the internet will be shut down and probably most other communication. And Robert King will not be there to advise people what to do next.
This scripture makes a lot of sense to me:
“Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen.” ( Rev 1:7 )

I have other reasons too, - I am not trying to imagine that I can form lifelong relationships on a forum, that will more than likely be shut down when the system folds up - even though I respect and admire so very many on here, and look forward to meeting them in the paradise earth
( assuming that I make it there) 🙂. --
Like you I will wait and see what Jehovah God himself makes clear - it would only be fair - after all the deception and lies that people have been told, that Jesus would make plain when the time comes, what we need to do. - Just like when he came to earth and led the Jewish people very simply and plainly.
Many of us are still traumatized - whether we realize it or not, so, I appreciate being here to observe and listen, but for me to make decisions so soon after waking up just over a year ago, is just personally very unwise.
I also would think and hope that Robert King himself would approve of a person "just visiting" 🙂!
 

kenmuldoon55

Well-known member
It started on March 15 2020 - 932 days ago from today

The day my group overseer call
To cancel meetings and service

He asked me to use prayful study Isaiah 30:15
And I did
I didn't understand it but that was the moment I started to wake up

All I can focus on is the part that said "but you were unwilling"

Now I can clearly understand it
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Instead of "being calm and resting on Jehovah" the gb trusted in men and in human schemes with c-19 project warp speed just as Jehovah said they would

Once I seen this I cried and woke-up


I felt like Daniel of old, Trusting and resting on Jehovah instead of getting the jab
Oh my, the big fauci head is precious.
Put me in stitches laughing😂😂😂
 

Cristo

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Can you suggest a translation that is easy to understand? I'm going to have an entire library of just Bible's haha Going to confess here, I've been having troubles reading the NWT lately because I feel there is so much missing in it.....plus the society published it 😬
A sister just suggested A Crisis Of Conscience to me the other day. You can listen to it on Spotify too.
The NWT is a wonderful translation Charming, and most certainly one of the easiest to understand of all the translations out today. However, if you want to use another translation I would recommend you make sure it contains Gods name in it for one. This essential requirement removes most of the other bibles from the list however. There are a few bible however that still retain Jehovahs name where it was meant to be in the scriptures.

I am curious what you ‘feel’ is missing in the NWT, and why you are concerned because the ‘society published it’?

There is no perfect bible, as they all have a certain amount of translational bias in them, however for the most part ALL bibles retain the principles and lessons that one needs to understand God and his purpose for mankind through Jesus Christ. Some are just a looser translation of the original texts than others. Removing Gods name, and replacing it with LORD and GOD, certainly does nothing to bring honor or praise to our wonderful creator, and makes God to be an impersonal force that nobody can get to know, which is how most people who read bibles without Gods name in it feel about the Father.
 

The God Pill

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Just for the record, again. I do not encourage anyone to leave. Not yet. I know it is hard to stick it out but it might help if you have a reason to stay. I think the reason is love for the brothers. Most JWs aren't going to know what hit them when it all comes down. You might be a voice for Jehovah then.

Do Not throw Away Your Freeness of Speech
Exactly while the meetings themselves are near valueless now the main reason I stay is to be an asset in the congregation and in the ministry supporting the brothers and sisters to the extent I can. What do we have to give not to the corporation but to our peers that are still in the dark and to all those that can be reached in the ministry?
 
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kenmuldoon55

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@ MuleJule - I think I may be like you, in a way.
like you said: "am still in a limbo situation." and " I am laying low and using this time to learn and hopefully not get even more confused. When the time comes, I feel like I will know what to do and Jehovah will make it clear."

I truly appreciate this forum and everything Robert King has done. It's just that I do not want to jump into something just because I had the "rug pulled out from under me" ( spiritually)
When I began to study the bible way back in 1975 - I investigated and researched for for 2 years. I had to do a lot of praying to make a decision to get baptized.
I feel that all the work Robert King has done - will save him, and Jehovah will bless him. But I feel very strongly that each persons relationship with Jehovah God is on the line between him/her and Jehovah God only.
I'm not looking for emotional security, or a new spiritual family either.
Soon the internet will be shut down and probably most other communication. And Robert King will not be there to advise people what to do next.
This scripture makes a lot of sense to me:
“Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen.” ( Rev 1:7 )

I have other reasons too, - I am not trying to imagine that I can form lifelong relationships on a forum, that will more than likely be shut down when the system folds up - even though I respect and admire so very many on here, and look forward to meeting them in the paradise earth
( assuming that I make it there) 🙂. --
Like you I will wait and see what Jehovah God himself makes clear - it would only be fair - after all the deception and lies that people have been told, that Jesus would make plain when the time comes, what we need to do. - Just like when he came to earth and led the Jewish people very simply and plainly.
Many of us are still traumatized - whether we realize it or not, so, I appreciate being here to observe and listen, but for me to make decisions so soon after waking up just over a year ago, is just personally very unwise.
I also would think and hope that Robert King himself would approve of a person "just visiting" 🙂!
You only need Jehovahs approval and you don’t need to belong to any “club” to get it,
Many faithful men of old were outliers but they all had a strong relationship with Jehovah.
I don’t think you can file for copyrights to true worship.
Guilty of murder in the first degree! The evidence is there, the jury is in, now we are patiently waiting for the judge to pass sentence! Come Lord Jesus!!!
 

Charming Primrose

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Just for the record, again. I do not encourage anyone to leave. Not yet. I know it is hard to stick it out but it might help if you have a reason to stay. I think the reason is love for the brothers. Most JWs aren't going to know what hit them when it all comes down. You might be a voice for Jehovah then.

Do Not throw Away Your Freeness of Speech
My mind was made up before I found this site. When things get really bad If I can help a brother or sister I will always do my best, no org needed to be a loving person 🙂
 

Nomex

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Hey everyone, I was just wondering what the turning point was for each of you when you decided to leave the org? I'm feeling lost and confused wondering if I'm doing the right thing or if it's satan trying to pull me away. The updates woke me up but I still feel like I need concrete proof that the org has gone bad.
This was a slow burn for me to be sure. I wasn't really very "studious." By the time I had become an adult, the way I had been treated by those who "You'd would know were Christ's followers if they had love among themselves", was clear, JW's idea of "love" was not the love Jesus had in mind.

I made a lot of excuses for the brothers, lot's of those excuses were self condemnation....but never once did I get even a semblance of help from any "brother" I had sought help from. Not ONE TIME! Every "experience" about how great the congregation had been at helping someone, my experience was the opposite. Still, I could not turn my back on the "truth", which they had the important parts right. So i think RK's comment....
What difference does it make if the "org has gone bad"?
...well, RK, God love him, some times doesn't have the best "bed side manner." I think his point is this...and this really has helped me, and i was thinking about this today....the "org" is God's org, just like before the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD was, so the WT is today. The proof the "org has gone bad" is history. Just like the 1st century religious leaders had "gone bad" so the same has happened again. Why? Same reason the Jewish people wanted a "King" and Jehovah had not given it to them. "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lord Acton may be the first person credited with that realization, but God knew it long before any of us!

So it's not that they "went bad", but rather the corrupting influence of their power that does not belong to them, they have not been sealed, or received their heavenly reward for dying faithfully, so they do not deserve nor can they demand the reverence they seem to think they are entitled to. If you do not think they think they are entitled to reverence, watch again the "update" where David Slain says, "I hear some people ask, what do they know? Wrong, question. The right question is, 'what does Jehovah know.'"

So indeed, "power corrupts." The Bible calls Moses the "meekest man on the earth," The GB like to compare themselves to Moses. Yeah, that's a laughable comparison, I believe that's' called an oxymoron! The GB lecture us and for decades to "listen" to their every whim, because they are like Moses, the "meekest man on earth", whom they find every occasion to compare questioning anything they say, to Korah's rebellion. Korah, who had witnessed the 10 plagues on Egypt, the Pillar of smoke guiding the multitude to the Read Sea, and the parting of the Red Sea, that guy who after witnessing all that, he questioned Moses. Moses who asked God to provide him with a miracle to PROVE Jehovah sent him to Isreal, and in fact he did provide many miracles, this is who the GB compare themselves to, OVER AND OVER again. The "meekest man of the earth" who God gave the power to perform many powerful miracles, and then Korah challenged him.

What powerful miracles has the GB performed? How about their "meekest man of the earth" evidence, since they are so keen on claiming Moses fame? What has the GB done to give evidence they have God's Spirirt? Jehovah's Blessing? Is that the same as the blessing God has given to the Mormon's, who have 16 million members?

What about the "blessing" Amazon has? Is the "success" of a publishing company really evidence they have God's "blessing"?

So for me I realized none of this means we don't have the truth, we just have not had the whole truth. When Jesus told Peter he was going to die, Peter told him that would not be his destiny at all. And Jesus said "get behind me Satan." The exact same thing is happening now. These clowns just like the Pharisees, think they are the masters of our faith! Their new video Caleb and Sofia...the "villain" is literally using the actual Governing Body of the Jews, the Pharisees, to say "don't listen to Jesus."

They are so tone deaf it's remarkable to say the least!
 

kirmmy

Well-known member
The NWT is a wonderful translation Charming, and most certainly one of the easiest to understand of all the translations out today. However, if you want to use another translation I would recommend you make sure it contains Gods name in it for one. This essential requirement removes most of the other bibles from the list however. There are a few bible however that still retain Jehovahs name where it was meant to be in the scriptures.

I am curious what you ‘feel’ is missing in the NWT, and why you are concerned because the ‘society published it’?

There is no perfect bible, as they all have a certain amount of translational bias in them, however for the most part ALL bibles retain the principles and lessons that one needs to understand God and his purpose for mankind through Jesus Christ. Some are just a looser translation of the original texts than others. Removing Gods name, and replacing it with LORD and GOD, certainly does nothing to bring honor or praise to our wonderful creator, and makes God to be an impersonal force that nobody can get to know, which is how most people who read bibles without Gods name in it feel about the Father.
May I suggest the 2001 translation? Several of you here recommended it and I'm really enjoying it. The boys behind it have great respect for Jehovah's name. There are also great little commentaries that are linked to certain scriptures or Bible sayings/words. I strongly suspect that the people behind it are exJWs. But like RK have the utmost respect for the truth of the Bible.

 

Ms_ladyblue

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May I suggest the 2001 translation? Several of you here recommended it and I'm really enjoying it. The boys behind it have great respect for Jehovah's name. There are also great little commentaries that are linked to certain scriptures or Bible sayings/words. I strongly suspect that the people behind it are exJWs. But like RK have the utmost respect for the truth of the Bible.

Thanks kirmmy 👍🏼
I‘m going to have to examine that one. Interesting, that it could be exJw’s behind it’s translation.
The commentaries and the fact that Jehovah’s name is used makes it appealing to me for sure.
 

Driven

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May I suggest the 2001 translation? Several of you here recommended it and I'm really enjoying it. The boys behind it have great respect for Jehovah's name. There are also great little commentaries that are linked to certain scriptures or Bible sayings/words. I strongly suspect that the people behind it are exJWs. But like RK have the utmost respect for the truth of the Bible.

Wow. I hadn’t heard of this one. Great tip.
 

MuleJule

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But I feel very strongly that each persons relationship with Jehovah God is on the line between him/her and Jehovah God only.
I'm not looking for emotional security, or a new spiritual family either.
Like you I will wait and see what Jehovah God himself makes clear - it would only be fair - after all the deception and lies that people have been told, that Jesus would make plain when the time comes, what we need to do.
Many of us are still traumatized - whether we realize it or not, so, I appreciate being here to observe and listen, but for me to make decisions so soon after waking up just over a year ago, is just personally very unwise.
Yes! We are on the same page @SeaGull. Your words express my gut intuition, which I have started to trust and listen to (after a lifetime of being told to not listen to / trust myself). For me this past year has been an emotional and spiritual roller coaster, very traumatizing indeed.

At first I was sure the GB was just naive and that they would get on the right path, regarding this whole v@x debacle. I was going to stick it out. The progression of the GB updates finally convinced me that they were not who I thought they were. Still for a few months I held on, thinking Jehovah would correct things, that he wouldn't allow this to happen to his people, etc. I held out hope from about Aug-Dec. 2021 but slowly faded. I found e-Watchman in Nov or Dec and some other sources.

By January I was convinced there was no turning it around. While I appreciate that some are able to stay active in their congregations and carry on, I could not. I could not pretend. I could not hide my disgust. I could not continue to support it monetarily. Each month I stopped 1 thing, service, ministry school, camera, commenting, donations, etc. A gradual fade. Right now all I am doing is logging into zoom meetings randomly, but mostly I mute it because it gives me too much anxiety in my body to listen. The continual praise of the GB and organization and the brothers & sisters comments praising them is just too much. It makes me emotional. I love these people, but they cannot see what's happening.

At first I was lost and kept hearing in my head "Where would we go away to Lord, you have sayings of everlasting life?" I would not turn to organized religion of any kind. I came to the conclusion, like you that (for now) this is a one-on-one thing between individuals and Jehovah, and this site is not a replacement for the org / cong or a new following, but just a place for mutual encouragement and to share ideas. And I am grateful for that. But like you said, there will likely come a time when we will not have anyone else to rely on. That's why now is the time to figure things out, build our faith and bind ourselves to Jehovah.

So, because I seem to have successfully faded, and I still have ties to the congregation (my husband and kids are still going) I feel like I will still be in a position to help when the time comes (since I am not DF or DA, just being soft shunned). Just keeping my options open I suppose. But I also have fleeting moments of "I need to 'get out of her'" and cut ties. Like I said I'm waiting for a strong personal direction from Jehovah before I make any drastic moves.
 
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