Marcus Vaughn

Valdino

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Look at what watchtower has created this guy is making fun of dead governing body member, this only prove a lot of JW are following men an organization, and once they found out the organization has stumbled them they become like this guy. It’s really sad and it broke my heart. He probably a atheist now. I use to watch his video in the beginning but I stop after I see what his becoming sad..
 

BagdadBill

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but I stop after I see what his becoming sad..
Walking man. I've seen his videos before. Whatever the governing body may do, we are still accountable for what we do and say. Lately I am understanding why Jesus said anyone saying "you despicable fool" will be liable to Gehenna. A hard heart is a stumbling block and I feel pity for the GB because they had to have been seduced by Satan. Evidently pride prevented them from seeing and acting correctly on some important matters and they will be accountable. I understand how Marcus feels. He gave a lot of years to their service.
 

Valdino

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Walking man. I've seen his videos before. Whatever the governing body may do, we are still accountable for what we do and say. Lately I am understanding why Jesus said anyone saying "you despicable fool" will be liable to Gehenna. A hard heart is a stumbling block and I feel pity for the GB because they had to have been seduced by Satan. Evidently pride prevented them from seeing and acting correctly on some important matters and they will be accountable. I understand how Marcus feels. He gave a lot of years to their service.
I understand how he feels, but there is no excuse for this, those dead governing body members were just as deceived as him… I feel bad for him I hope he can turn around and move on from watchtower and follow Christ and not men or a organization
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Walking man. I've seen his videos before. Whatever the governing body may do, we are still accountable for what we do and say. Lately I am understanding why Jesus said anyone saying "you despicable fool" will be liable to Gehenna. A hard heart is a stumbling block and I feel pity for the GB because they had to have been seduced by Satan. Evidently pride prevented them from seeing and acting correctly on some important matters and they will be accountable. I understand how Marcus feels. He gave a lot of years to their service.
Our world turns to ashes in our very hands, and is blown away by the wind. There seems to be a third way arising: those that see the watchtower and move on to seek truth elsewhere, those that stubbornly believe the lie and continue, and those that see the watchtower for what it is and condemn it, but condemn themselves along with it. It is sad that so many cease to search for Jehovah because people lie to them, when the whole point of the truth is to search for it, while it still may be found.
 

יהוה_saves

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Lately I am understanding why Jesus said anyone saying "you despicable fool"
thank you for this reminder. I’ll really take that to heart. I appreciate that a lot.

@Valdino I’ve listened/watched a few of his videos, namely the ones on channeling (parts 1 and 2) at the Wallkill site. Very creepy stuff. Obv this man is extremely hurt by his experiences as a Bethelite. He’s not the only EXJW out there that routinely lashes out in verballly abusive angst against the org and its leadership, even calling rank n file JWs “stupid” (they are far from stupid). It really does demonstrate the idolatrous nature of Watchtower (WT), because once WT is removed, they have no love left for God. They can’t separate Jehovah from Watchtower- see, that’s why we are here, we were able, by God’s loving hand, to separate the WT from Jehovah. WT is not a god and never was. Blessed be our God and his son Christ Jesus.

I’ve tried to reach out to some of these youtubers ie Marcus Vaughn, Lloyd Evans, Mike and Kim and others by leaving scriptures in the comments, raising new concepts that I myself have learned here, and other comments to search for e-watchman (you can’t leave links in the comments) hoping they will recover from their spiritual blindness and find Jehovah again.
 

SpicySpice

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Lately I am understanding why Jesus said anyone saying "you despicable fool" will be liable to Gehenna. A hard heart is a stumbling block and I feel pity for the GB because they had to have been seduced by Satan. Evidently pride prevented them from seeing and acting correctly on some important matters and they will be accountable.
Something I think I could really work on. Its difficult in this world to not be filled with contempt and hate for those who do evil, but these things must take place. Jesus asked for the cup to be removed from him, but only if it was Jehovah's will. We want this badness to go away but unfortunately its going to get worse. We have to endure it. If we let our hearts harden now, we don't stand a chance. I too understand his anger, he was lied to.. but its still a sad thing to see someone be consumed by their hatred. We cant let it happen to us.
 

Valdino

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thank you for this reminder. I’ll really take that to heart. I appreciate that a lot.

@Valdino I’ve listened/watched a few of his videos, namely the ones on channeling (parts 1 and 2) at the Wallkill site. Very creepy stuff. Obv this man is extremely hurt by his experiences as a Bethelite. He’s not the only EXJW out there that routinely lashes out in verballly abusive angst against the org and its leadership, even calling rank n file JWs “stupid” (they are far from stupid). It really does demonstrate the idolatrous nature of Watchtower (WT), because once WT is removed, they have no love left for God. They can’t separate Jehovah from Watchtower- see, that’s why we are here, we were able, by God’s loving hand, to separate the WT from Jehovah. WT is not a god and never was. Blessed be our God and his son Christ Jesus.

I’ve tried to reach out to some of these youtubers ie Marcus Vaughn, Lloyd Evans, Mike and Kim and others by leaving scriptures in the comments, raising new concepts that I myself have learned here, and other comments to search for e-watchman (you can’t leave links in the comments) hoping they will recover from their spiritual blindness and find Jehovah again.
Yeah you are so right they can’t separate watchtower from Jehovah and that’s the problem they see it as one. The idolatry in the organization is huge, I myself almost fall into it by God Grace I did not, I had already declare watchtower is the one and it can’t have any wrong, I wanted to go to bethel I started to idolize the governing body at one point. Most of these YouTuber were just following men an organization. It’s sad really.. I have come to the conclusion no matter where you go religion/organization you’ll never get the full truth and nothing but the truth… only the coming of Christ will set all matters straight… come lord Jesus
 

יהוה_saves

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@SpicySpice

you are so right. we have to endure and hope for goodness in all things.

Is the organization past the point of no return? I’m speaking of the organization itself not any person or groups of persons except for those who ident as the Watchtower organization and the Gov Body. Will it turn around? Or more to the point, will Jehovah provide the opportunity for it to turn around? The prophetic denunciations are numerous. Right now, today, following the organization is a danger to both life and limb, also a spiritual danger. By their fruits you will know them

@Valdino

Yes, i think we were all questioning our spiritually at some point post WT- i didn’t transition smoothly from the darkness of WT, on the contrary. I was lost for months in the dead ether, seriously contemplating a world without Jehovah, without his Christ, our Savior, until, not entirely by chance, i happened upon Kingdom Bulletin #19. After i read it (numerous times), i knew that Jehovah had snatched me from the fire. I began to pray again, and began to fellow with all you fine people.
 
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SpicySpice

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I understand how he feels, but there is no excuse for this, those dead governing body members were just as deceived as him… I feel bad for him I hope he can turn around and move on from watchtower and follow Christ and not men or a organization
Agreed, he got pretty gross there too with his "business model" products. It shows how his hatred has started making him say and think really nasty things, over the top nastiness for the sake of being mean. I'm sure it makes him feel good in the moment, suggesting a dead GB members face should be put on prophylactics, but I would be willing to bet his hatred is covering his hurt and probably keeps him up at night. Hatred does nothing good for anyone, it's very destructive.
 

יהוה_saves

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We have to make sure we love even our enemies, and not sit with any kind of disgusting feelings. Jehovah is a God of Love.
this is really good advice. Carrying hate around is exhausting and it doesn’t feel good. The guy in the video clearly has unresolved feelings- perhaps warranted. Forgiveness means letting go of the right to avenge oneself, even when vengeance may be warranted. It doesn’t mean we have to leave ourselves open to continued abuse or further exploitation. What happened to WT, what is happening to it, is profoundly sad.
 

BagdadBill

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this is really good advice. Carrying hate around is exhausting and it doesn’t feel good. The guy in the video clearly has unresolved feelings- perhaps warranted. Forgiveness means letting go of the right to avenge oneself, even when vengeance may be warranted. It doesn’t mean we have to leave ourselves open to continued abuse or further exploitation. What happened to WT, what is happening to it, is profoundly sad.
Vengeance never feels as good as it seems like it should.
 
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