My Study

[PJ54]

Yes, that is just how she views me. And that is what watchtower want, to link disfellowshipping to fading into the same pot. Bad association. A spiritual leper. I don’t mind particularly, I think I have become emotionally dead inside at times for want of truth and a balance on the future….‘what is it all about?’ syndrome! It is easy to believe the worst of others. The watchtower promote that stance under the banner of keeping the congregation “clean”. It happens here too, on occasion. It’s not unique in its proliferation. The best attitude really is just to say sorry and carry on, but the watchtower forbid it unless you hang around in the back of the hall for a year or so in doing public penance dressed in watchtower sack-cloth. For what? The sum total of my sister‘s urge to go after a lost family sheep from her perspective, was to send me a watchtower mag on the resurrection when mother died, and a Return to Jehovah pamphlet. And I have been gone forty years and more from the watchtower! Is that the sum total response of the watchtower? It Seems so. That is why the truth is so important. It creates a response to listen and set thing straight, flawed though we are. I don’t know when, but love seems to have died at the helm on the Good Ship Watchtower long, long ago.

It's just like the social hierarchy issue. It's a clear violation of the beginning of James Ch2. I'm glad your hanging in there though!

 

[RTAW]

Well, I could certainly find plenty to lay out here for all to see my pain, but I'm a rather private person so I won't. I posted a brief history in introductions without going into specifics about how my life was literally destroyed, family, home, everything, and I had to start again with nothing. False brothers, lies, betrayal and abuse from those closest to me. It literally took about 20 years to recover. But we do go on don't we. And when those who should be a source of help and comfort fail us, Jehovah steps in and rescues us and puts us back together. And while most humans never fail to dissappoint and let me down, Jehovah always comes through to support and heal. He's the One deserving of my trust and friendship. Man is merely dust in the wind.

My mom never recovered form the damage the Elders caused. She has become so bitter, its ridiculous. one side of her mouth said she trusts in Jehovah, the other side is a man hater.

 

[PJ54]

My mom never recovered form the damage the Elders caused. She has become so bitter, its ridiculous. one side of her mouth said she trusts in Jehovah, the other side is a man hater.

The daily text today really is a helpful reminder for such situations.

 

[Robert194972]

It is a fallacy to claim the GB is the faithful and discreet slave. By claiming to be such the GB are declaring themselves righteous. That ain't good. The proper, scriptural view, is that the master appointed a slave to do a specific task. Whether or not they are faithful in carrying out the assignment is not for the slave to determine. Only the master can make that judgment, which is what he will do when he comes at an hour they do not think likely.

And it will be precisely the wrong ( unexpected ) time for the GB and those who are deceived. Why? Christ is already here right? Wrong.

 

[SusanB]

Indeed. Most JWs DON'T KNOW that the GB are deceiving them.

True they don’t know but they should. Because what is the purpose of studying the bible if the GB can just give you instructions that are strange, impractical or illogical? It’s the same type of reasoning that the Mormon’s have with “Latter Day Saints” who, according to them, are the conduit between God and men. The bible itself tells us not to deviate from Jesus’ teaching and JW’s teach the bible but all of sudden now they aren’t going to follow it? Wow. This is so hard for me to comprehend.

 

[Robert194972]

True they don’t know but they should. Because what is the purpose of studying the bible if the GB can just give you instructions that are strange, impractical or illogical? It’s the same type of reasoning that the Mormon’s have with “Latter Day Saints” who, according to them, are the conduit between God and men. The bible itself tells us not to deviate from Jesus’ teaching and JW’s teach the bible but all of sudden now they aren’t going to follow it? Wow. This is so hard for me to comprehend.

The 2 elders I spoke with the other day were concerned that my "teaching" will cause division in the congregation and we would like you to stop. I said I only spoke to you ( elders ) I said that the vaccines are causing the division in the congregation at the moment. ( They went quiet for several seconds ) It is almost like they think the vaccination scheme is from Jehovah and that the direction they're taking lines up with the bible? Its like Eric Wilson said, there is just no reasoning with them.

 

[Dorothea]

The 2 elders I spoke with the other day were concerned that my "teaching" will cause division in the congregation and we would like you to stop. I said I only spoke to you ( elders ) I said that the vaccines are causing the division in the congregation at the moment. ( They went quiet for several seconds ) It is almost like they think the vaccination scheme is from Jehovah and that the direction they're taking lines up with the bible? Its like Eric Wilson said, there is just no reasoning with them.

This is what has concerned me so much. It's as if the vaccine agenda has become a new doctrine which must not be challenged. I could see it coming long before it actually developed to this point. It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Maybe somehow I thought that writing a letter to headquarters could stop the wreck, but obviously that was magical thinking. So bizarre, all of this. I wonder if other religions are pushing the agenda as hard as JWs?

 

[Robert194972]

This is what has concerned me so much. It's as if the vaccine agenda has become a new doctrine which must not be challenged. I could see it coming long before it actually developed to this point. It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Maybe somehow I thought that writing a letter to headquarters could stop the wreck, but obviously that was magical thinking. So bizarre, all of this. I wonder if other religions are pushing the agenda as hard as JWs?

As Driven alluded to they have deviated from the truth. And as Kim said the GB is just winging it.

 

[mreader]

In my day, there was no written law from the GB. The study conductor simply had to be sure I agreed to the truth as the watchtower dictated. My experience was that few knew of, or seriously questioned what the truth was.

I have been wondering for some time if we will have to flee to the mountains.

“However, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader use discernment), then let those in Judea begin fleeing to the mountains." (Mark 13:14). the "let the reader use discenment" seems to refer to us using our God-given powers of reason not relying on someone else to decide for us. The fleeing to the mountains comes when we observe the disgusting thing that causes desolation standing in the Holy Place.

I'm seeing all sorts of disgusting things in the Holy Place right now. The worship of the GB/the Organisation and Big Pharma is a huge issue. Think of how Jehovah has reacted to false worship by his people in the past. We are now seeing the temple that Ezekiel saw in his vision, filled with every kind of wrong behaviour and those who should be in charge orchestrating the false worship. As if they are offering us a smorgasbord of wicked ways to go against Jehovah. We can pick anything we like from paedophilia to worship of men or any of the vast, terifying selection in between.

I do wonder if we have to do exactly as the Judeans had to back then, they had to run away from Judea. Are we supposed to just run away from the Holy Place ie the Organisation and those promoting false worship? Or do we stay and sigh and groan about what is going on?

Or, maybe they just want to make sure that they can reach you with instructions that the governing body says "At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." They're now saying that :""fleeing to the mountains" will have a modern day application but we don't know what that will be."

From the article "Seven Shepherds Eight Dukes What They Mean For Us Today"

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pl/r1/lp-e?q=w13%2011%2F15%2020

Here is the key of the deceiveness: “....the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint….” …..and the next convincing /deluding statement to the sheep: “ All of us must be ready to OBEY ANY instructions….” = which directs to a submission to the Watchtower in order to RECEIVE salvation...
This is attempting to achieve a total control of your thinking.

Jesus made clear that "the stone will be not left on the stone" in regards to the temple. We will have to "flee to the mountains" = that are JEHOVAH's shadows to protect us and which is the Truth and Faith In JEHOVAH and Christ. There is/are NO other saviors beyond...

 

[mreader]

I was using hyperbole but really when you think about it, if someone says they trust another person so much that they would drink poison if told to, then to me that would be an offering of human sacrifice.

no, it's mental disease.

 

[mreader]

no, it's mental disease.

if you think deeper it's actually satanic, like you said "a human sacrifice"

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Here is the key of the deceiveness: “....the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint….” …..and the next convincing /deluding statement to the sheep: “ All of us must be ready to OBEY ANY instructions….” = which directs to a submission to the Watchtower in order to RECEIVE salvation...
This is attempting to achieve a total control of your thinking.

Jesus made clear that "the stone will be not left on the stone" in regards to the temple. We will have to "flee to the mountains" = that are JEHOVAH's shadows to protect us and which is the Truth and Faith In JEHOVAH and Christ. There is/are NO other saviors beyond...

I pity the poor brothers in Holland. No mountains there.

 

[mreader]

They need to remember this:
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taking into your body an experimental vaccination that creeples you or kills you is no difference from Johnstown suicide.

 

[mreader]

I was told by a pioneer sister that by me saying that it appeared that the GB is becoming the evil slave, I was judging them and only Jesus can judge them when he comes. I actually agree with that but the flip side is that they also cannot say they are the faithful slave because the same principle would apply. Nevertheless, the bible does train us to identify wrong doing and what they have done has created blood guilt and more.

"faithful and discrete slave" sounds powerful, it holds people in submission.

 

[mreader]

I'm an unbaptized publisher who left the organization, and a loving instructor. I realized I don't need the WT to keep me on the straight and narrow path, my Bible trained conscience does that for me. I feel closer to Jehovah now than I ever did while under the thumb of the WT. When I left it was as if a tremendous weight had been lifted. I felt so watched, judged and pressured to conform. I hated the pressure, but my love for Jehovah, Jesus and the Truth kept me going back. Once I realized the truth about the WT's false teachings I knew I could never go back. I wouldn't lie, nor could I keep my mouth shut when I heard lies... thus I could never get baptized by the organization. I also knew I couldn't just go to some random church and get baptized, as it would mean nothing, so I did it myself. There's going to be a lot of people in need of baptism once the WT falls. We must all be ready to perform this sacred duty during humanity's darkest hour. I'm waiting for my sons and others to dedicate their lives to Jehovah and ask to be baptized.

hi Carl,
you don't have to wait for the Baptism until the WT falls. By saying "there's is going to be a lot of people in need of baptism once the WT falls" is to suggest that there are no earlier possibilities for a baptism. WHO then will baptize you if the WT falls? I didn't find nowhere in the scripture that you have to be baptized by the organization.

After Jesus baptism , Jews who right after Him repented weren't baptized by organization inside a building, neither were approved by it....... they sincerely confessed their sins and got baptized in the river...... the Baptism act is not between an organization and you but between you and JEHOVAH. JEHOVAH is Your witness of your baptism and that's where IS your registry. You can be baptized by any servant of JEHOVAH/any Jehovah's Witness especially in your situation.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

taking into your body an experimental vaccination that creeples you or kills you is no difference from Johnstown suicide.

It is actually different from Jonestown in that people had a valid, evidential medical reason to take the vaccine. Though the epidemic was far from what history has called an epidemic, the virus was indeed killing people. People fear for their lives in degrees that are private and exclusive to them. Though the watchtower took it upon itself to insist on its people taking the vaccine does indeed, in mine and the opinion of others, bring blood guilt upon itself, needlessly too. It would be nearer the truth to say that the watchtower took advantage of others to achieve its own end. It’s not true to say it mirrors the Jonestown tragedy. Many witnesses did not need a prompt and neither is the vaccine lethal in all cases, whereas the poison ingested by those unfortunate people was designed to kill and it seems many chose to take their own life willingly. The blame for the watchtower stance is entirely upon the GB and those taking the lead in the congregations. Even if the watchtower had stood apart from the vaccine, many witnesses would still have taken it. What you say of course is a valid opinion. I am not arguing that, but it would be wrong to tar well intentioned and informed witnesses with the same brush. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the watchtower henchmen who have sold out the brotherhood of Jehovah’s people are a version of Jim Jones in that their motive is exclusivity over the will of Jehovah’s people.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

no, it's mental disease.

It is not mental disease in the least. The watchtower made the same mistake in suggesting that new publishers taking the emblems was a sign of a mental disease. It’s not. It’s not even mental illness or even a personality disorder. The values a person has are influenced by all sorts of social issues and traditions. That does not mean they are ill. Conditioning is another matter and it’s genesis can be plain evil and it’s outworking often contrary to the person’s normal behaviour. A significant factor in treating mental health issues is the public opinion. It’s complexity is often unique to the one suffering and is most pronounced when it interferes with one’s normal routine or sense of what happens. The problem in such descriptions is that it labels others. The GB suggesting people were mentally ill because they take the emblems has similar roots and importantly, it’s outcomes in the fate of Jews and other “different” people in Nazi Germany as an example, and that example is to infer in others, a lesser value to the population norm. To repeat the application of such a label to brothers, sisters, anyone, is simply mimicking the GB attitude, who in turn, are using erroneous public opinion. That is why it’s so effective, or made to be effective - but it’s still incorrect.

 

[MickHewitt]

I pity the poor brothers in Holland. No mountains there.

No need for bike brakes either..chortle.

 

[Shekinah]

I'm an unbaptized publisher who left the organization, and a loving instructor. I realized I don't need the WT to keep me on the straight and narrow path, my Bible trained conscience does that for me. I feel closer to Jehovah now than I ever did while under the thumb of the WT. When I left it was as if a tremendous weight had been lifted. I felt so watched, judged and pressured to conform. I hated the pressure, but my love for Jehovah, Jesus and the Truth kept me going back. Once I realized the truth about the WT's false teachings I knew I could never go back. I wouldn't lie, nor could I keep my mouth shut when I heard lies... thus I could never get baptized by the organization. I also knew I couldn't just go to some random church and get baptized, as it would mean nothing, so I did it myself. There's going to be a lot of people in need of baptism once the WT falls. We must all be ready to perform this sacred duty during humanity's darkest hour. I'm waiting for my sons and others to dedicate their lives to Jehovah and ask to be baptized.

I’m in the same situation, been weighing up is it right to continue knowing the things that I know. But then I think about Jesus attending the temple knowing that it would soon be destroyed, it didnt stop him attending, so it’s a difficult one. The other thing is baptism, I long to be baptised and I agree they’re will more than likely loads who are longing once the watchtower falls, I know a few already. But I have a dear elderly sister who's my Bible conductor and don’t reveal the things I know as I wouldn’t want to stumble her, I keep praying about it while I continue to study, which gets harder with certain subjects. So I really do sympathise with anyone in this situation. But well done for coming to a solution that worked for you brother.

 

[mreader]

It is actually different from Jonestown in that people had a valid, evidential medical reason to take the vaccine. Though the epidemic was far from what history has called an epidemic, the virus was indeed killing people. People fear for their lives in degrees that are private and exclusive to them. Though the watchtower took it upon itself to insist on its people taking the vaccine does indeed, in mine and the opinion of others, bring blood guilt upon itself, needlessly too. It would be nearer the truth to say that the watchtower took advantage of others to achieve its own end. It’s not true to say it mirrors the Jonestown tragedy. Many witnesses did not need a prompt and neither is the vaccine lethal in all cases, whereas the poison ingested by those unfortunate people was designed to kill and it seems many chose to take their own life willingly. The blame for the watchtower stance is entirely upon the GB and those taking the lead in the congregations. Even if the watchtower had stood apart from the vaccine, many witnesses would still have taken it. What you say of course is a valid opinion. I am not arguing that, but it would be wrong to tar well intentioned and informed witnesses with the same brush. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the watchtower henchmen who have sold out the brotherhood of Jehovah’s people are a version of Jim Jones in that their motive is exclusivity over the will of Jehovah’s people.

"It is actually different from Jonestown in that people had a valid, evidential medical reason to take the vaccine". you are right I agree with you partially. But it is still voluntary suicide. Those shots are EXPERIMENTAL.... think about this: EXPERIMENTAL..

No, those brothers and sister haven't made a sacrifice for JEHOVAH, they made the sacrifice for the Governing Body.
they have disrespected JEHOVAH's gift - the life.