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mreader

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It is not mental disease in the least. The watchtower made the same mistake in suggesting that new publishers taking the emblems was a sign of a mental disease. It’s not. It’s not even mental illness or even a personality disorder. The values a person has are influenced by all sorts of social issues and traditions. That does not mean they are ill. Conditioning is another matter and it’s genesis can be plain evil and it’s outworking often contrary to the person’s normal behaviour. A significant factor in treating mental health issues is the public opinion. It’s complexity is often unique to the one suffering and is most pronounced when it interferes with one’s normal routine or sense of what happens. The problem in such descriptions is that it labels others. The GB suggesting people were mentally ill because they take the emblems has similar roots and importantly, it’s outcomes in the fate of Jews and other “different” people in Nazi Germany as an example, and that example is to infer in others, a lesser value to the population norm. To repeat the application of such a label to brothers, sisters, anyone, is simply mimicking the GB attitude, who in turn, are using erroneous public opinion. That is why it’s so effective, or made to be effective - but it’s still incorrect.

It is not mental disease in the least. The watchtower made the same mistake in suggesting that new publishers taking the emblems was a sign of a mental disease. It’s not. It’s not even mental illness or even a personality disorder. The values a person has are influenced by all sorts of social issues and traditions. That does not mean they are ill. Conditioning is another matter and it’s genesis can be plain evil and it’s outworking often contrary to the person’s normal behaviour. A significant factor in treating mental health issues is the public opinion. It’s complexity is often unique to the one suffering and is most pronounced when it interferes with one’s normal routine or sense of what happens. The problem in such descriptions is that it labels others. The GB suggesting people were mentally ill because they take the emblems has similar roots and importantly, it’s outcomes in the fate of Jews and other “different” people in Nazi Germany as an example, and that example is to infer in others, a lesser value to the population norm. To repeat the application of such a label to brothers, sisters, anyone, is simply mimicking the GB attitude, who in turn, are using erroneous public opinion. That is why it’s so effective, or made to be effective - but it’s still incorrect.
what’s a miserable excuse: “The values a person has are influenced by all sorts of social issues and traditions”. Really? So for Jwitnesses should be more valuable to watch for the social issues/tradition/influences and based on that take the deadly experimental vaccine ? This is entirely contrary to the scriptures. You can’t serve at the same time Jehovah and a devil. Generally speaking If a bro/sis. Is a coward to take the stand against evil then you are not a Jehovah’s servent, not HIS witness. Imagine Jesus acting this way because of the social obstacles that in reality were enormous. Did you forget that our shield is JEHOVAH ? On whom would you want to realy brothers and sisters in this very situation…? Think about brothers and sister in the last war in the concentration cams, how about coming the Great Distress-the Great Tribulation……………..?
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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what’s a miserable excuse: “The values a person has are influenced by all sorts of social issues and traditions”. Really? So for Jwitnesses should be more valuable to watch for the social issues/tradition/influences and based on that take the deadly experimental vaccine ? This is entirely contrary to the scriptures. You can’t serve at the same time Jehovah and a devil. Generally speaking If a bro/sis. Is a coward to take the stand against evil then you are not a Jehovah’s servent, not HIS witness. Imagine Jesus acting this way because of the social obstacles that in reality were enormous. Did you forget that our shield is JEHOVAH ? On whom would you want to realy brothers and sisters in this very situation…? Think about brothers and sister in the last war in the concentration cams, how about coming the Great Distress-the Great Tribulation……………..?
I’m not sure that you understand the reply I wrote to you. I certainly can not be sure what you have written to me as to its meaning. You appear to type faster than you can think. The point I was hoping to make was simply one of perspective in that we cannot judge a persons action simply by calling him mentally ill. Primarily, that is simply discriminating against a person without thought as to motive or accessibility to information, both secular and spiritual. That much would be only a common a courtesy. Who are you to call another a coward for their action? A reader of hearts are you? As I said, the vaccine can be deadly. But in this day, not all of us are free to serve ourselves. People are coerced on a daily basis to do things damaging to their health. Simply breathing in some cities today is unwise. Others work in places that are a constant danger to health, such as nuclear power stations, coal mines etc. Eating junk food. Ever thought of that?
So are we to assume, that out of all things that harm us and foreshorten our lives just by dint of living on this planet, that the vaccine is the undeniable instrument of judgement and test from Jehovah? Thus your accusation is simply based on a judgement of a person‘s awareness as to understanding. The scriptures explain to us that, we are free to judge others as harshly as we like. We may indeed do so, for as long as we are prepared to be judged by that same standard of our own judgement of others. The bible advises that we should think about that. Thinking is not a compromise. Condemning others for their action may indeed give you pleasure in others agreeing to your definite judgements in the actions of others, but it comes at a cost. That is the bible’s message.
What I said is not in the least contrary to scripture, only contrary to your understanding and you are offended. I’m sorry about that. And you wish others to understand that everyone who has taken the vaccine is a coward in opposition to Jehovah? Am I correct in that?
How about condemning chemotherapy then, while you are at it? That is somewhat deadly yet preserves life as well for a short time. A two edged sword. You assume that everyone is aware of and comprehends Issues as you do and that if they do not, then they do not have a love for Jehovah. Is Jehovah to condemn them, then? What if they did not know what you think you know? Does that make their action evil? What if, like the brother who gave in to pressure so that he could feed his family? Should we take your view? Would you like for him to be thrown off the site as someone who does not love Jehovah? How about me? Should I leave? Tell me what to do, for I have sinned against Jehovah. How can I redeem myself now? Advise me please.
First, you must be sure that taking the vaccine is an irredeemable affront to Jehovah. Having accomplished that, then you must avail yourself and understand the ’sinners’ motive, reasoning, understanding, by reading that one’s heart motivation in taking a medicine that he thought was going to preserve his life and balance that with what may have been the case in that the vaccine did not kill him, but saved his life. What if he does not have access to the information we do and lives in a hut in Africa? Let us condemn him too. But when you have settled that issue, it would then be necessary for you to establish whether that person is a coward, has sinned beyond redemption, does not love Jehovah and thus is worthy of death. Following that, you may like to consider why you are placing yourself as Jehovah‘s mouthpiece and how Jehovah may feel about that. I am quite envious of your exalted position of being certain of truth in these days. Do please teach me of your modus operandi of certainty in this life.
 
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