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Ms_ladyblue

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I can only agree with you Ms Ladyblue. I had always viewed watchtower as the holders of truth and that it was my duty to do as they said - until due to the heartlessness of our elders I saw it for its true manifestation. What I learnt from discussions here - at the risk of being termed a cult leader again - is that the bible speaks for itself. It s not a duty, but a love of righteousness that comes from within. And what the bible says, illustrates to me - others may agree - is that the attributes of the spirit are innate in all of us. We need to listen to them. The bible explains why we should cultivate these attributes. Honestly speaking, if the desire is not in us, how can we be taught the value? We chose to do so then. Choice is given us. Independent of leverage. The pathway to development is discussion of the truth, reasoning on the scriptures, prayer for the spirit (understanding) to be given us and thus open our eyes to its values. Understanding the values of the spirit. (It will take a thousand years to grasp the fundamentals so the bible says). Is this the case with watchtower? Where is the love of the spirit evident amongst those who lead? I don’t see it. Do you?
Speaking of how WT teaching ‘mechanical love‘ and how they turn it off and on. I recently had an experience to do with my son in law, who’s an elder. I discussed this here before how him and my daughter no longer speak to me, 18 months now. Because I questioned the GB handling of the vaxxines.

Anyway, a week ago I had to be admitted to the ER ( hospital) as I was having some serious health issues. I let my son in law know (because I knew my daughter wouldn’t respond) So him and 2 elders from the congregation came to see me while I was there. They made sure to instruct me on who I should’ve contacted before I had to go. Well, my SIL (son in law) stayed with me until I got my room. I was there 3 days. Then I decided to call and ask if he’d told my daughter about me being in the hospital…he said that he’d been keeping her updated.

I next asked him if I would be able to talk to her. He told me that I was not allowed to because as a family he decided since my attitude towards the GB was not good, and I’m not following direction from them he felt like I wouldn’t be good association.
Then I proceeded to ask him how does he think Jehovah views him and my daughter treating me this way, and in addition I’m a widow. He gave no thought to that except to keep reminding me I wasn’t following the GB direction.
I reminded him that Jehovah also says that we shouldn’t put our trust in men.

It just fell on deaf ears. He has no soul or heart. If this is what it all comes down to, I guess I have to let it go and move on. Because I do know that my God Jehovah will handle these matters in due time. All I can do is pray that my daughter will wake up.
I just miss her so much.

I didn’t really mean to ramble on but I know many times some have come on here to vent. You are the only dear friends I have and I feel I can come out and say what I feel. Thanks so much for your hearing ears for those of us who are ‘sighing and groaning.” 💜
 
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Soul Sage

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Exodus 22:22-24. "“You must not afflict any widow or fatherless child. 23 If you afflict him at all, so that he cries out to me, I will unfailingly hear his outcry; 24 and my anger will blaze, and I will kill you with the sword, and your wives will become widows, and your children will be fatherless."
 

StopTheInsanity

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Speaking of how WT teaching ‘mechanical love‘ and how they turn it off and on. I recently had an experience to do with my son in law, who’s an elder. I discussed this here before how him and my daughter no longer speak to me, 18 months now. Because I questioned the GB handling of the vaxxines.

Anyway, a week ago I had to be admitted to the ER ( hospital) as I was having some serious health issues. I let my son in law know (because I knew my daughter wouldn’t respond) So him and 2 elders from the congregation came to see me while I was there. They made sure to instruct me on who I should’ve contacted before I had to go. Well, my SIL (son in law) stayed with me until I got my room. I was there 3 days. Then I decided to call and ask if he’d told my daughter about me being in the hospital…he said that he’d been keeping her updated.

I next asked him if I would be able to talk to her. He told me that I was not allowed to because as a family he decided since my attitude towards the GB was not good, and I’m not following direction from them he felt like I wouldn’t be good association.
Then I proceeded to ask him how does he think Jehovah views him and my daughter treating me this way, and in addition I’m a widow. He gave no thought to that except to keep reminding me I wasn’t following the GB direction.
I reminded him that Jehovah also says that we shouldn’t put our trust in men.

It just fell on deaf ears. He has no soul or heart. And if it’s all come down to this I guess I have to let it go and move on. Because I know my God Jehovah will handle these matters in due time. All I can do is pray that my daughter will wake up.
I just miss her so much.

I didn’t really mean to ramble on but I know many times some have come on here to vent. You are the only dear friends I have and I feel I can come out and say what I feel. Thanks so much for your hearing ears for those of us who are ‘sighing and groaning.” 💜
I'm sorry you have to go through that. It's wicked and cruel.
 

evw

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My understanding is the birthdays are connected to astrology and horoscopes and the "Keep Yourselves in God's Love" mentions that Birthdays are the biggest holiday for Satanists. If you look at the customs surrounding birthdays, a round cake (mentioned in the Bible as offerings to false gods) and the blowing out of candles (chasing away evil spirits) then the origins become clear and one has to ask one's self how Jehovah would view the matter. I don't think WT has done a good job and explaining this and showing enough evidence so people can see the true nature of this practice:

1. Birthdays didn’t begin until calendars were created.​

Early civilizations had no way to keep track of time other than by using the moon, sun, or some other important event. This made it difficult for them to pay attention to the anniversary of a person’s birth.

As time went on, everyone realized that they all experienced the effects of aging, they just didn’t have a means to mark a special milestone for it.

It wasn’t until ancient people began taking note of the moon’s cycles that they began paying attention to the change in seasons as well. They also noticed this pattern repeated itself over and over again. They began marking these changes in time.

This is what bore the first calendars, which marked time changes and other special days. From this type of tracking system came the ability to celebrate birthdays and other significant events and anniversaries each year.

2. It all started with the Egyptians.​

Scholars who study the Bible say that the earliest mention of a birthday was around 3,000 B.C.E. and was in reference to a Pharaoh’s birthday. But further study implies that this was not their birth into the world, but their “birth” as a god.

When Egyptian pharaohs were crowned in ancient Egypt, they were considered to have transformed into gods. This was a moment in their lives that became more important than even their physical birth.

Pagans, such as the ancient Greeks, believed that each person had a spirit that was present on the day of his or her birth. This spirit kept watch and had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday that particular individual was born.

3. You can thank Greeks for all those birthday candles.​

Gods and goddesses were a huge part of Greek culture. Greeks offered many tributes and sacrifices to appease these gods. The lunar goddess, Artemis, was no different.

As a tribute to her, the Greeks would offer up moon-shaped cakes adorned with lit candles to recreate the glowing radiance of the moon and Artemis’ perceived beauty. The candles also symbolized the sending of a signal or prayer. Blowing out the candles with a wish is another way of sending that message to the gods.

4. Birthdays first started as a form of protection.​

It is assumed that the Greeks adopted the Egyptian tradition of celebrating the “birth” of a god. They, like many other pagan cultures, thought that days of major change, such as these “birth” days, welcomed evil spirits. They lit candles in response to these spirits almost as if they represented a light in the darkness. This implies that birthday celebrations started as a form of protection.

In addition to candles, friends and family would gather around the birthday person and protect them from harm with good cheers, thoughts, and wishes. They would give gifts to bring even more good cheer that would ward off evil spirits. Noisemakers were also used to scare away the unwanted evil.

5. The ancient Romans were the first to celebrate the birth of the common “man.”​

This seems to be the first time in history where a civilization celebrated the birth of non-religious figures. Regular Roman citizens would celebrate the birthdays of their friends and family members. The government, however, created public holidays in honor of more famous citizens.

Any Roman turning 50 years old would receive a special cake baked with wheat flour, olive oil, grated cheese, and honey. But an important thing to note is that only men would experience this birthday celebration. Female birthdays were not celebrated until about the 12th century.

6. Birthdays were first considered to be a pagan ritual in Christian culture.​

In Christianity, it is believed that all people are born with “original sin.” That, in combination with early birthdays being tied to pagan gods, led Christians to consider birthdays to be celebrations of evil. This lasted for the first few hundred years of the existence of the Christian Church.

It wasn’t until the 4th century that Christians abandoned that way of thinking and began celebrating the birth of Jesus, also know as Christmas. Celebrating the birth of Jesus was partly enacted to recruit those who already celebrated Saturnalia, the Roman holiday.
It is a nice summary of how everything Jehovah has given us is turned into something vile by Satan, even the birth of a child. But the day my children were born, is and remains a day of remembering how Jehovah fulfilled my dearest wish and I will not let Satan make something ugly of that.
 

evw

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I’ll always enjoy the specific day my children were born because there is no other feeling like it.
Yes so do I;
we live in this satanic world every day and I know its tricks, but I will not let anything or anyone take away something as beautiful as the gift of a child through Jehovah., it reminds me of 1 Samuel 2 v 19: - 'Also, his mother would make for him a little sleeveless coat, and she brought it up to him year after year when she came up with her husband to offer the yearly sacrifice.'
I am here to get to know Jehovah better, His love, wisdom, righteousness and how to apply that in my life, not Satan and his cronies, but then that's just me......
Of course I keep myself informed of 'where we are in the stream of time', in order to remain vigilant and not be taken by surprise, but I do not need to be informed in detail about all the dirty games that Satan devises.
Welcome to the forum by the way, sorry a bit late, but no less sincere.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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So, does that mean as long as no executions take place at your own birthday party or those that you attend, that it is okay to celebrate birthdays?:unsure:

I personally think birthday parties are ridiculous. Singing a song over a cake with candles, etc.

But even more ridiculous is JW's that don't celebrate birthdays but do have baby showers. They celebrate prebirth but not anniversaries of that same birth. Yet, they have weddings and celebrate anniversaries of that wedding. :rolleyes:
Since I married again after my wife died and inherited another’s children, and with one left over of my own as a babe in arms, they have celebrated my birthday, and I have enjoyed it. They celebrate Christmas too, but I endure that for their sake. Neither events have any religious significance for them, or any praise for me. I feel no praise for my birthday, only a vague sense of appreciation that one might expect from cash-strapped children. My first memory was of my third birthday and I recall my first Christmas of the same year when my father invited carol singers in and they sung “silent night” in front of our inglenook fireplace. It was wonderful. My father sat me on his knee.

It is generally known as “the age of innocence” but it remains a factor in my life. I dare say if I knew what was coming in life I would have equally been happy to slit my throat on that first birthday, but instead I grew up with mixed feelings, mixed and contradictory values and an insight into the balance of what happens in life.

As the bible points out - “the day of one’s death is better than the day of his birth.“ And we all know why. And that has been my feelings about birthdays. There is no worship. No adulation, simply a mark of affection. I allow that to my children with good grace because that is what it means to them and it is the same for me when I give to them such a mark of appreciation. Their birth has always been a reward for me - and many are the examples of reward in birth been shown throughout the bible. Not that I equate that with modern birthday interpretation, but in the way it was meant - a blessing. And the truth is (for me and my values) they will always be a blessing, and will be too at my end. If I denied it outwardly for the sake of others, I would be lying to my conscience inwardly and sad at the neglect of my feelings for such miracles of life given to me. As for Christmas - there is no god in it, I have grown to reject it but because of my family, it is a simple gathering for me. Wonderful to have the children around me and my wife, our life’s accomplishment in our own home. Fulfilment to be celebrated. The trappings - I feel the same as every other who has knowledge of its compromise and paganism. I endure it in the same way that I endure every other evil in this world but do not participate in - just as some endure in the filth that goes on in our lost congregations under the GB. Why do they do it - for the same reason as me with a non-witness family - for what may be gained in due time and to tolerate for the sake of not alienating what might be saved at the due time. If we live in this world, we all do the same to varying degrees. It depends on whether we admit it to ourselves. I am uncomfortable with Christmas, but I would be more uncomfortable for my children if I alienated them. That makes it all the more difficult to help when the time comes. There are so many arguments and retorts to life today in our actions - I tire of it all.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Speaking of how WT teaching ‘mechanical love‘ and how they turn it off and on. I recently had an experience to do with my son in law, who’s an elder. I discussed this here before how him and my daughter no longer speak to me, 18 months now. Because I questioned the GB handling of the vaxxines.

Anyway, a week ago I had to be admitted to the ER ( hospital) as I was having some serious health issues. I let my son in law know (because I knew my daughter wouldn’t respond) So him and 2 elders from the congregation came to see me while I was there. They made sure to instruct me on who I should’ve contacted before I had to go. Well, my SIL (son in law) stayed with me until I got my room. I was there 3 days. Then I decided to call and ask if he’d told my daughter about me being in the hospital…he said that he’d been keeping her updated.

I next asked him if I would be able to talk to her. He told me that I was not allowed to because as a family he decided since my attitude towards the GB was not good, and I’m not following direction from them he felt like I wouldn’t be good association.
Then I proceeded to ask him how does he think Jehovah views him and my daughter treating me this way, and in addition I’m a widow. He gave no thought to that except to keep reminding me I wasn’t following the GB direction.
I reminded him that Jehovah also says that we shouldn’t put our trust in men.

It just fell on deaf ears. He has no soul or heart. If this is what it all comes down to, I guess I have to let it go and move on. Because I do know that my God Jehovah will handle these matters in due time. All I can do is pray that my daughter will wake up.
I just miss her so much.

I didn’t really mean to ramble on but I know many times some have come on here to vent. You are the only dear friends I have and I feel I can come out and say what I feel. Thanks so much for your hearing ears for those of us who are ‘sighing and groaning.” 💜
Via personal note.
 

DavidCJ

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Speaking of how WT teaching ‘mechanical love‘ and how they turn it off and on. I recently had an experience to do with my son in law, who’s an elder. I discussed this here before how him and my daughter no longer speak to me, 18 months now. Because I questioned the GB handling of the vaxxines.
Very sorry to hear that. They had some semblance of sanity before 2020. But they have lost it - completely.

2 Th 2:11 - "That is why god lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie"

It also points to marginal references in Mat 24:5, 1 Ti 4:1, 2 Ti 4: 3, 4

1 Ti 4:1 - "However the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons"

How much more blatantly satanic will the WTS have to get before the masses of JWs starts waking up?
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Very sorry to hear that. They had some semblance of sanity before 2020. But they have lost it - completely.

2 Th 2:11 - "That is why god lets a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie"

It also points to marginal references in Mat 24:5, 1 Ti 4:1, 2 Ti 4: 3, 4

1 Ti 4:1 - "However the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons"

How much more blatantly satanic will the WTS have to get before the masses of JWs starts waking up?
How much more blatant indeed. A lot more I think. I begin to wonder what is actually going on in watchtower because although there are, comparatively speaking, things to worry over in watchtower, they are common to other religions also. Just what is the “disgusting thing” that will be made manifest? I begin to wonder what could be so enormous in meaning that has not already surfaced.
 

DavidCJ

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Birthdays: 1 Ti 4: 4 - For every creation of God is fine, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is sanctified through God's word and prayer over it.

It is also good to keep in mind Jesus' teachings in Matt 18:8 - "If then, your hand or your foot makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. It is better for you to enter into life maimed or lame than to be thrown with two hands or two feet into the everlasting fire. (Italics mine)

The scripture also talks about not eating if it would potentially stumble others. The customs are definitely pagan and unless you are basically alone, then you do have to be careful.


Make no mistake guys. Children don't want materialistic things from their parents. They are merely symbols of affection and care for their child.

My father said one day that maybe I was a bit strange because they haven't celebrated our birthdays, Christmas and given enough gifts. I did not say anything but I thought it was a very ignorant comment. Also I'm glad I'm "strange" because if I wasn't, I would have been the first to line up for the poison shots, practice homosexuality and all kinds of degeneracy.

Let me tell you a secret: I didn't care for not having gifts, or birthdays or christmas. I was 4 or 5 when they started going to the meetings. I didn't know the other way. I loved the people. They were friendly, and had good morals. We used to call the brothers to check up on our house when my mom would get paranoid about the oven being left on.

Majority of the parents in the world believe that working 12+ hours a day to buy their children a bigger house, a nicer car, and more stuff in general is love. Or at least they pretend it is, because I am not sure if they believe in that hocus pocus deep down. When you buy your kid a toy rather than talk to them, or buy them a TV or a video game because the mother is working and the father is also working but 16 hours a day, then they will make excuses to cover up their disdain. Such parents are also establishing a relationship where they are little more than dispensers of money for their child.

Of course when mom/dad does that the child complains of not having enough, since they already set a precedent! Living in a 2-bedroom 1200 sq ft. home where all the kids have to share one bedroom is fine, when enough quality time is spent with the children. Then the mother can be a stay-at-home wife and father be fine with just a regular 40 hour work week. And to be clear, I'm talking about in countries like US/Canada. Most are in debt because they put themselves in that situation. One of the biggest reason for fighting and divorce among couples is money. Yup, we humans are more than stupid - we're borderline retarded.

Sorry, that's the truth.
 
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evw

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Birthdays: 1 Ti 4: 4 - For every creation of God is fine, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is sanctified through God's word and prayer over it.

It is also good to keep in mind Jesus' teachings in Matt 18:8 - "If then, your hand or your foot makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it away from you. It is better for you to enter into life maimed or lame than to be thrown with two hands or two feet into the everlasting fire. (Italics mine)

The scripture also talks about not eating if it would potentially stumble others. The customs are definitely pagan and unless you are basically alone, then you do have to be careful.


Make no mistake guys. Children don't want materialistic things from their parents. They are merely symbols of affection and care for their child.

My father said one day that maybe I was a bit strange because they haven't celebrated our birthdays, Christmas and given enough gifts. I did not say anything but I thought it was a very ignorant comment. Also I'm glad I'm "strange" because if I wasn't, I would have been the first to line up for the poison shots, practice homosexuality and all kinds of degeneracy.

Let me tell you a secret: I didn't care for not having gifts, or birthdays or christmas. I was 4 or 5 when they started going to the meetings. I didn't know the other way. I loved the people. They were friendly, and had good morals. We used to call the brothers to check up on our house when my mom would get paranoid about the oven being left on.

Majority of the parents in the world believe that working 12+ hours a day to buy their children a bigger house, a nicer car, and more stuff in general is love. Or at least they pretend it is, because I am not sure if they believe in that hocus pocus deep down. When you buy your kid a toy rather than talk to them, or buy them a TV or a video game because the mother is working and the father is also working but 16 hours a day, then they will make excuses to cover up their disdain. Such parents are also establishing a relationship where they are little more than dispensers of money for their child.

Of course when mom/dad does that the child complains of not having enough, since they already set a precedent! Living in a 2-bedroom 1200 sq ft. home where all the kids have to share one bedroom is fine, when enough quality time is spent with the children. Then the mother can be a stay-at-home wife and father be fine with just a regular 40 hour work week. And to be clear, I'm talking about in countries like US/Canada. Most are in debt because they put themselves in that situation. One of the biggest reason for fighting and divorce among couples is money. Yup, we humans are more than stupid - we're borderline retarded.

Sorry, that's the truth.
Well, there is also an other truth, believe me
 

Paul H

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Besides from the fact that birthdays originate from pagan practices and besides the fact they are as worldly as can be...
Imagine yourself living in paradise... for eternity... and then inviting your current neighbour to your 578908046730927639854679237693769537693587699203970th birthday...
It's simply ridiculous...
 

evw

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Besides from the fact that birthdays originate from pagan practices and besides the fact they are as worldly as can be...
Imagine yourself living in paradise... for eternity... and then inviting your current neighbour to your 578908046730927639854679237693769537693587699203970th birthday...
It's simply ridiculous...
No, then we will ask them on our baptism date :ROFLMAO:
 

Patricia

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Regarding birthdays and pagan origins: I have no doubt that the practice of blowing out candles and singing as well as giving of gifts is pagan. So it's the "celebration" , the rituals, that's the problem.
Thing is, we know that everyone, all the way back to Adam, marked their years in some fashion or another. How else would we know how old Adam and all the others were when they died or when they begot their sons? Certainly Eve wasn't baking any birthday cakes😂 but I've no doubt that they understood the seasons and could tabulate, at least approximately, the time/day of their birth. They didn't crawl out of a cave one day dragging their knuckles and grunting unintelligible nonsense.
How they did it? If I make it into the new system, I'll ask.🫤
 

StopTheInsanity

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So for those of you who now think that celebrating birthdays is not wrong biblically due to the non-Biblical origins from false worship, then why do you think celebrating Christmas is wrong? I mean, it's the birthday of the greatest man who ever lived. There was even a celebration of sorts by having the angels appear to the shepherds announcing it with much fanfare. So, don't you think that if Jehovah thought it was that important to celebrate it continually, that he would have had the accurate date recorded in the Bible for the rest of us to celebrate? And he would have told us to do so just like he did with the Lord's Evening Meal?

And, if birthdays were something that true followers were supposed to celebrate, then why did no Jew celebrate them? The apostles and Christ were Jewish, so why do we have extensive scriptures describing other holy days for the Jews to celebrate that go into detail on how to do it, but there is no mention of celebrating birthdays nor of the apostles or any of Jesus' disciples celebrating Christ's or anyone else's birthdays. In fact, none of the early Christian writers mention anything about the early Christians celebrating birthdays, whether Christ's or theirs.

Questioning WT and seeing their corruption is one thing, but going back to pagan customs due to sentimentality is quite another. Didn't Jehovah discipline the Israelites for this very thing? Did he not rebuke them for making offerings to the Ashtoreth images? Did he not rebuke Aaron for making the gold calf as a "Festival to Jehovah"? The reasoning used to justify your actions is the same reasoning that was used by others in the past and Jehovah has shown us how he feels about it. And it's not just JW's that have come to that conclusion. There are blogs written by other Christians that have thoroughly documented the research showing the non-Biblical origins of these customs.

Of course the Bible wants parents to love their children; EVERY SINGLE DAY, not just the anniversary of the day they were born.

You are all grown adults and can do as you wish, you don't answer to anyone here. But I personally am quite taken aback to see the answers to this thread.
 

StopTheInsanity

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People that have a problem with birthdays are people who have NO CHILDREN. PERIOD 🤔😁😎


just saying....
Wrong. People that have a problem with birthdays have a problem with the practice of the occult in practicing magic:

Did Early Christians Celebrate Birthdays?

Should Christians Celebrate Birthdays? Do Birthdays Have Pagan Origins?
By COGwriter

Although many who profess Christ celebrate birthdays, did you know that birthdays were simply not celebrated by those in the early church? Interestingly, there is no hint in the Bible or early writings that Jesus, the apostles, or any true Christians ever celebrated birthdays.So what is the origin of birthdays? Where did the idea of birthdays celebrations come from?

“Originally the idea [of birthday greetings and wishes for happiness] was rooted in magic. The working of spells for good and evil is the chief usage of witchcraft. One is especially susceptible to such spells on his birthday, as one’s personal spirits are about at that time.

Dreams dreamed on the birthday eve should be remembered, for they are predictions of the future brought by the guardian spirits which hover over one’s bed on the birthday eve. Birthday greetings have power for good or ill because one is closer to the spirit world on this day. Good wishes bring good fortune, but the reverse is also true, so one should avoid enemies on one’s birthday and be surrounded only by well-wishers. ‘Happy birthday’ and ‘Many happy returns of the day’ are the traditional greetings” (The Lore of Birthdays, Linton, p. 20)...

The giving of birthday gifts is a custom associated with the offering of sacrifices to pagan gods on their birthdays. Certainly the custom was linked with the same superstitions that formed the background for birthday greetings. “The exchange of presents… is associated with the importance of ingratiating good and evil fairies… on their or our birthdays” (ibid.).
The traditional birthday cake and candles also have their origin in ancient pagan idol worship. The ancients believed that the fire of candles had magical properties.

They offered prayers and made wishes to be carried to the gods on the flames of the candles. Thus we still have the widely practiced birthday custom of making a wish, then blowing out the candles. The Greeks celebrated the birthday of their moon goddess, Artemis, with cakes adorned with lighted candles...

“The Egyptians… discovered to which of the gods each month and day is sacred; and found out from the day of a man’s birth, what he will meet with in the course of his life, and how he will end his days, and what sort of man he will be” (Herodotus, Persian Wars, Book II, ch. 82)

Since it was believed that the positions of the stars at the time of birth influenced a child’s future, astrological horoscopes came into being, purporting to foretell the future, based on the time of birth. “Birthdays are intimately linked with the stars, since without the calendar, no one could tell when to celebrate his birthday. They are also indebted to the stars in another way, for in early days the chief importance of birthday records was to enable the astrologers to chart horoscopes” (The Lore of Birthdays, p. 53). Rawlinson’s translation of Herodotus includes the following footnote: “Horoscopes were of very early use in Egypt… and Cicero speaks of the Egyptians and Chaldees predicting… a man’s destiny at his birth"...

When we examine the principles of God’s law closely, as they relate to birthday celebrations, we can understand why neither Christ, nor His Apostles, nor their true followers, observed their birthdays. As noted earlier, the practice has its origin in idolatry and the worship of the sun, moon and stars...Some may view birthday customs as purely secular, lacking any religious significance. Yet we need to be aware of the broader perspective of their origins, and the religious significance they have had—and still have—for vast multitudes of people. (Reynolds, Rod. Should Christians Celebrate Birthdays? LCN, May-June 2002. pp.16-18).

Furthermore, the book The Lore of Birthdays (New York, 1952) by Ralph and Adelin Linton, on pages 8, 18-20 had this to say:The Greeks believed that everyone had a protective spirit or daemon who attended his birth and watched over him in life. This spirit had a mystic relation with the god on whose birthday the individual was born. The Romans also subscribed to this idea. . . .

This notion was carried down in human belief and is reflected in the guardian angel, the fairy godmother and the patron saint. . . . The custom of lighted candles on the cakes started with the Greeks. . . . Honey cakes round as the moon and lit with tapers were placed on the temple altars of [Artemis]. . . . Birthday candles, in folk belief, are endowed with special magic for granting wishes. . . . Lighted tapers and sacrificial fires have had a special mystic significance ever since man first set up altars to his gods. The birthday candles are thus an honor and tribute to the birthday child and bring good fortune...

 

Joseph Stephan

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I don't partake in all of the silly things of the world.

But I do wish my children and grandchildren happy birthday!
If they live close by, I may even take them out for a delicious meal.

Guess if I only had cats I would make a fuss about acknowledging someone's birthday!😁🙄
 

evw

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So for those of you who now think that celebrating birthdays is not wrong biblically due to the non-Biblical origins from false worship, then why do you think celebrating Christmas is wrong? I mean, it's the birthday of the greatest man who ever lived. There was even a celebration of sorts by having the angels appear to the shepherds announcing it with much fanfare. So, don't you think that if Jehovah thought it was that important to celebrate it continually, that he would have had the accurate date recorded in the Bible for the rest of us to celebrate? And he would have told us to do so just like he did with the Lord's Evening Meal?

And, if birthdays were something that true followers were supposed to celebrate, then why did no Jew celebrate them? The apostles and Christ were Jewish, so why do we have extensive scriptures describing other holy days for the Jews to celebrate that go into detail on how to do it, but there is no mention of celebrating birthdays nor of the apostles or any of Jesus' disciples celebrating Christ's or anyone else's birthdays. In fact, none of the early Christian writers mention anything about the early Christians celebrating birthdays, whether Christ's or theirs.

Questioning WT and seeing their corruption is one thing, but going back to pagan customs due to sentimentality is quite another. Didn't Jehovah discipline the Israelites for this very thing? Did he not rebuke them for making offerings to the Ashtoreth images? Did he not rebuke Aaron for making the gold calf as a "Festival to Jehovah"? The reasoning used to justify your actions is the same reasoning that was used by others in the past and Jehovah has shown us how he feels about it. And it's not just JW's that have come to that conclusion. There are blogs written by other Christians that have thoroughly documented the research showing the non-Biblical origins of these customs.

Of course the Bible wants parents to love their children; EVERY SINGLE DAY, not just the anniversary of the day they were born.

You are all grown adults and can do as you wish, you don't answer to anyone here. But I personally am quite taken aback to see the answers to this thread.
Sorry for upsetting you. As far as I know, I didn't say I 'celebrate' birthdays. No presents or anything. What I said was that I remember the day my children were born because I am grateful to Jehovah that I had them for another year.
 
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