New Release on New GB Update

DavidCJ

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Great info by @StopTheInsanity. We shouldn't let biases against the WTS to blind ourselves to the truth. Just like Jesus said, it is better to throw out things that are seemingly desirable to protect your spiritual self.

Here's another thing in the link STI mentioned.
On page 96 on the 1976 version, it mentions birthdays:
THE highest of all holidays in the Satanic religion is the date of one's own birth. This is in direct contradiction to the holy of holy days of other religions, which deify a particular god who has been created in an anthropomorphic form of their own image, thereby showing that the ego is not really buried.

The Satanist feels: "Why not really be honest and if you are going to create a god in your image, why not create that god as yourself." Every man is a god if he chooses to recognize himself as one. So, the Satanist celebrates his own birthday as the most important holiday of the year.
I have recently relaxed my standards because of reading various comments such as in this thread. Now I know that I was wrong. Hence the bible says to "guard" your heart.
In modern times, it seems that one reason that people like to claim that they are celebrating Jesus' birthday (which they are not doing) is to justify celebrating their own, which many do. The argument basically goes something to the effect, "If we celebrate our own birthdays, certainly we should celebrate Jesus' birthday."
 
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Duran

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First what is a 'birth-day'? It is the actual day one is born. That happens only once. (Even Prince knows that.;))
Whatever date the birth took place on, when that date comes around again, that would be the anniversary of that birth, not the birth-day.

For those that wish their children a "Happy Birth-day' each year on the anniversary of their birth, do you want them to be happy on that day only?

For those that wish their children a "Happy Birth-day' each year on the anniversary of their birth, do you also say, 'Happy New Year' every Dec31/Jan1?

For those that think you should not celebrate 'birth-anniversaries', did you ever have or ever attend a baby shower?

For those that think you should not celebrate 'birth-anniversaries', if you are married, do you celebrate your wedding anniversary?
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Also, let's not forget that this topic is about the 'New release from the GB'. Now the conversion here about 'Birth-days' is because I took from the GB book that topic. That topic was of interest to me because my wife gets invited to 'birth-day' lunches and parties from her co-workers.

I posted about it to show the absurdity from the GB and active JW's that still follow them. I didn't post it in order for y'all to judged/condemn each other.

Colossians 2:16
Matthew 7:1-5
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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So for those of you who now think that celebrating birthdays is not wrong biblically due to the non-Biblical origins from false worship, then why do you think celebrating Christmas is wrong? I mean, it's the birthday of the greatest man who ever lived. There was even a celebration of sorts by having the angels appear to the shepherds announcing it with much fanfare. So, don't you think that if Jehovah thought it was that important to celebrate it continually, that he would have had the accurate date recorded in the Bible for the rest of us to celebrate? And he would have told us to do so just like he did with the Lord's Evening Meal?

And, if birthdays were something that true followers were supposed to celebrate, then why did no Jew celebrate them? The apostles and Christ were Jewish, so why do we have extensive scriptures describing other holy days for the Jews to celebrate that go into detail on how to do it, but there is no mention of celebrating birthdays nor of the apostles or any of Jesus' disciples celebrating Christ's or anyone else's birthdays. In fact, none of the early Christian writers mention anything about the early Christians celebrating birthdays, whether Christ's or theirs.

Questioning WT and seeing their corruption is one thing, but going back to pagan customs due to sentimentality is quite another. Didn't Jehovah discipline the Israelites for this very thing? Did he not rebuke them for making offerings to the Ashtoreth images? Did he not rebuke Aaron for making the gold calf as a "Festival to Jehovah"? The reasoning used to justify your actions is the same reasoning that was used by others in the past and Jehovah has shown us how he feels about it. And it's not just JW's that have come to that conclusion. There are blogs written by other Christians that have thoroughly documented the research showing the non-Biblical origins of these customs.

Of course the Bible wants parents to love their children; EVERY SINGLE DAY, not just the anniversary of the day they were born.

You are all grown adults and can do as you wish, you don't answer to anyone here. But I personally am quite taken aback to see the answers to this thread.
Christmas and birthdays are two different things. Christmas is not the birth day of Christ anyway. I understand it was about the beginning of October - six months after John the Baptist. It’s immaterial whether anyone celebrates a birthday. And the festival of Saturnalia in Roman times was I believe on December 21st, not the 25th. So what is being celebrated? A day off it seems, of no religious or pagan origin, unless of course someone puts religious significance to it. And who does these day?

As the bible says, the “day of one’s death is better than his birth.” It needs no explanation especially insofar as Christ is concerned though the two dates are inextricably related. Appreciation though is different, and for a mother, especially so. It is one of the things I greatly miss the experience of, being a man, and that is to carry another life. An unsurpassed and unsurpassable gift. When one has carried a child and raised it, I doubt anything on this planet could surpass such a privilege. How many feel the same appreciation for the birth and sacrifice of Christ? I think you confuse the issue with the world’s perspective - one of materialism and paganism. Who here fits that description? Every time my children come round it is hardly different from a birthday emotionally for me. The difference is more one of remembrance of an important gift. The gift of life. Is that not what Jehovah gave us on both occasions?

It is one of the refreshing things about this site in that one is able to speak freely and exchange points of insight and thinking without fear of retribution. I don’t doubt, in fact I know, that many JWs gave their children birthday presents. The psyche and understanding of a child is important to interpret according to their development rather than our own needs and less still, that of a guy in a marble temple in New York. That is another consideration for a child. It extends far beyond what is supposed without evidence, and neglects what is good for a child and whether they can absorb adult perceptions - which they definitely cannot because The brain of a child is not fully developed (until at least the age of 25). And, who is to say our perception of what is right is actually so? Clarity in thinking is far harder to come by than a straightforward yes and no and to hell with the consequences. That is why love is based on understanding….and not the fickle heart. Likewise implementation. Ask anyone who grew up in divided JW household or where a spouse has died and comfort of any kind is hard to come by. Ask those who lived in poverty for the sake of watchtower, or those whom their spouse was driven away by the watchtower and their reckless impositions in teaching.
 
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Duran

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The part about the lady taking her mother out on her (the lady's) birth-day.

What I said above:

First what is a 'birth-day'? It is the actual day one is born. That happens only once.
Whatever date the birth took place on, when that date comes around again, that would be the anniversary of that birth, not the birth-day.

Taking that further based on what the lady does. A child is 'born', it is the mother that gives 'birth'. So technically a 'birth-day' does belong to the mother. We ALL have 'born-days', but only mothers have 'birth-days'. So, the lady would be taking her mother out on what is her own (the lady's) 'born-day' and her mother's 'birth-day'.

So, in my revision:

First what is a 'birth-day'? It is the actual day a woman/mother gives birth to her child. That day happens only once per child.
Whatever date the birth took place on, when that date comes around again, that would be the anniversary for the mother giving birth to that child and the
anniversary for that child being born.

[5 He went to get registered with Mary, who had been given him in marriage as promised and who was soon to give birth. 6 While they were there, the time came for her to give birth. 7 And she gave birth to her son, the firstborn, and she wrapped him in strips of cloth and laid him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the lodging place.]

👌:LOL:

I still am curious to hear from any on this:

For those that think you should not celebrate 'birth born-anniversaries', did you ever have or ever attend a baby shower?

For those that think you should not celebrate 'birth born-anniversaries', if you are married, do you celebrate your wedding anniversary?
 
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SusanB

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Speaking of how WT teaching ‘mechanical love‘ and how they turn it off and on. I recently had an experience to do with my son in law, who’s an elder. I discussed this here before how him and my daughter no longer speak to me, 18 months now. Because I questioned the GB handling of the vaxxines.

Anyway, a week ago I had to be admitted to the ER ( hospital) as I was having some serious health issues. I let my son in law know (because I knew my daughter wouldn’t respond) So him and 2 elders from the congregation came to see me while I was there. They made sure to instruct me on who I should’ve contacted before I had to go. Well, my SIL (son in law) stayed with me until I got my room. I was there 3 days. Then I decided to call and ask if he’d told my daughter about me being in the hospital…he said that he’d been keeping her updated.

I next asked him if I would be able to talk to her. He told me that I was not allowed to because as a family he decided since my attitude towards the GB was not good, and I’m not following direction from them he felt like I wouldn’t be good association.
Then I proceeded to ask him how does he think Jehovah views him and my daughter treating me this way, and in addition I’m a widow. He gave no thought to that except to keep reminding me I wasn’t following the GB direction.
I reminded him that Jehovah also says that we shouldn’t put our trust in men.

It just fell on deaf ears. He has no soul or heart. If this is what it all comes down to, I guess I have to let it go and move on. Because I do know that my God Jehovah will handle these matters in due time. All I can do is pray that my daughter will wake up.
I just miss her so much.

I didn’t really mean to ramble on but I know many times some have come on here to vent. You are the only dear friends I have and I feel I can come out and say what I feel. Thanks so much for your hearing ears for those of us who are ‘sighing and groaning.” 💜
Meditator and I feel very sorry that you are having to endure being informally DF’d by your son-in-law. That is just wrong on so many levels and we hate that for you.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Like I said....

Only cat & dog people judge you if you wish your child happy birthday!

People with no kids always throw the 1st stone.
I’m repenting my ways and going full watchtower Joseph! From now on I’m going to have a Miserable Birthday and an Extremely Unhappy December 25th. I shall lock my doors, rake out the fire, open the windows to the cold and freezing air, snarl at any well-wishers, kick over the collection plates of charity workers, curse those that give me a greeting and stubbornly deny ever that I am a day older or “satisfied with days” like an ungrateful, mean and belligerent old-timer. I shall call down rain upon children‘s parties, call their mothers rude names for pampering their children, and pour water upon their fireworks. I shall brood in a corner with evil thoughts on any celebration of life as an evil, gratuitous liking of any and every day with simple honourable intent and rejoice in the poverty of my very soul, and my grasping solitary existence. I shall renounce any anniversary, all days will be bland and full of silent and unexpressed begrudged gratitude for children; even the day they were delivered by some miracle of life that I cannot even understand, shall remain as any other. I shall ask no one to morn my passing for I have never existed and my life will be unnoticed, empty, and ignored, just as the bible says, “and their remembrance will be forgotten.” Maybe in the new system of things, happiness for being alive can be a celebration every day, but for now, with death and disease the topic of every day - even here - I begin to despair if there will ever be some pleasure in an anniversary of an important event. Will our rebirth into the new system be a cause for joy? Clearly not by all accounts here. It could be any and every day and become meaningless and without value that we were saved. After all, of what consequence is it? I shall now disfellowship myself for my evil ways and enjoy 40 lashes - maybe even stone myself. I could do with getting stoned again - that’s for sure. “Miserable man that I am…..”.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Meditator and I feel very sorry that you are having to endure being informally DF’d by your son-in-law. That is just wrong on so many levels and we hate that for you.
I’m with you on that one! My sister has informally disfellowshipped me for decades - though she breaks ranks occasionally to tell me if a family member has died like a latter-day Scrooge rejoicing in evil news. I’ve been thinking of writing into watchtower to see if I have a record in the length of sibling punishment and family breakup at their behest. It was so sad to read Ladyblue’s comment. So much unnecessary heartbreak in this world.
 

Paula

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You dont have to be shunned by your JW relatives. I'm shunned by my daughter who's never been a witness. As my mum use to say they would act the same in the world. It's down to personality - some people like to have power and control over you. " By the way I've never asked for any bodies head on a platter on my birthday"
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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You dont have to be shunned by your JW relatives. I'm shunned by my daughter who's never been a witness. As my mum use to say they would act the same in the world. It's down to personality - some people like to have power and control over you. " By the way I've never asked for any bodies head on a platter on my birthday"
Paula! " By the way I've never asked for any bodies head on a platter on my birthday"

What an inspiring idea….unfortunately my mother in law passed away some years ago.
 

Medi-tator

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An elder friend of mine told me a long time ago, that neck ties origins were actually part of the military uniform...never looked it up but sounds right to me...
Correct! They served similarly to the colors worn by Crips and Bloods in order to distinguish whose side you were on. From what I remember, the countries who originated the necktie identification practices were steeped in paganism. (This information is deemed reliable but not guaranteed. Reader to perform their own due diligence) :cool:
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Correct! They served similarly to the colors worn by Crips and Bloods in order to distinguish whose side you were on. From what I remember, the countries who originated the necktie identifying were steeped in paganism. (This information is deemed reliable but not guaranteed. Reader to perform their own due diligence) :cool:
Actually, neck-ties were first thought of by a cider maker in Cornwall England back on October 29 1198.AD Apparently, he had broken his ladder that he used for collecting his apples so his wife advised him to tie a rope around his neck, climb up the tree and tie the other end to one of the top branches so he could use both hands to collect the apples without falling. The idea quickly caught on but the next year there was an acute shortage of cider coming up from Cornwall and no one could figure out why until some 60 years later when someone discovered the skeletal remains of cider growers in their trees. Since then, a tie was used around the neck to ward off evil spirits and to remember what they had done to the cider growers. Ladders made a comeback and gradually the cause of the neck tie was forgotten except those still making cider in Cornwall, who claim the right to use them when apple picking because they form a family tie. Later on circa 1630AD , soldiers wore them as a reminder to their captains that part of their pay was a gallon of cider a day and gradually, everyone started wearing ties in the hope of getting free cider from the military. It’s one of those strange but true traditions.
 

Medi-tator

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It has been rumored that I wrote Watchtower Bible and Tract Society a letter of concern over ties back in the late 70's. I can neither deny or confirm such a rumor :cool:;)

I will admit to this though. Along with beards, the issue of ties I found to be one of the most ridiculous parts of being a JW. Of course, I played along like a dutiful little lamb in the sheepfold singing "baaa-aaa-baaa-aaa". I really hate ties! I hate Satan and I hate ties! Oh, and centipedes too. Oh and lapel pins espousing the idolatry of the org. Oh, and lies! Everyone hates lies LOL!

I wonder if the new release (back to the topic of this thread) has a scripture for wearing ties because it sure is a huge part of the JW life.
 
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