New Zealand’ Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care and the Jehovah’s Witnesses: A Faulty Report

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A biased and unscientific methodology, a selective use of sources, and religious prejudices led to unreliable conclusions — by Massimo Introvigne

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New Zealand’ Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care and the Jehovah’s Witnesses: A Faulty Report

A biased and unscientific methodology, a selective use of sources, and religious prejudices led to unreliable conclusions.
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The recently released report by the New Zealand Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care generated considerable international emotion. Its conclusion that some 200,000 children in the country were abused when in care of state or faith-based institutions between 1950 and 1999 is indeed disturbing. Less understandable is the disproportionate attention in media accounts about the section of the report on the Jehovah’s Witnesses, considering that out of the 200,000 cases only one concerns that religious organization, and that it is really a case of “abuse in care” is disputed.
 
The author of this article is Massimo Introvigne. If I remember there is some interesting info on him. He testified in favor of Scientology too. I don’t recall the info I previously had on this guy and I’m not able to pull it up at the moment.
 
A reminder of who Massimo is from a previous link:

Citrine

Thread 'Dark Waters'

We have been so blind.

Watch Tower Society sells Introvigne's books

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I just noticed on JW broadcasting for August that the speaker said there was an article on “we are happiest when keeping it simple.” Perhaps this really is their plan to dumb down the word and not to be straightforward with the truth. Christ said that “he came to cause division” and certainly that is both necessary and advantageous to those seeking truth. It’s the personification of refinement. Evil is not welcome. Perhaps their new kindergarten book is the trial run, “for adults and children” as they say. Perhaps they got the idea from the “computers for dummies” books. It wouldn’t surprise me.
 
SusanB said:
What are you thinking?
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I think Wideawake is Citrine, and would therefore undermine any semblance of credibility she had/has...I was starting to get the impression that Citrine may have only been here to stir the pot. Let's say it could go either way...this not so much...I mean this post this person linked to was months or years ago now??? Just not at all random!
 
I read a large majority of what's posted on this forum and I benefit from having a very good memory, especially if I have read what was posted...(that always helps!!!:)) But I didn't join today and read everything on this forum and post something from 3 months ago...
 
Nomex said:
I read a large majority of what's posted on this forum and I benefit from having a very good memory, especially if I have read what was posted...(that always helps!!!:)) But I didn't join today and read everything on this forum and post something from 3 months ago...
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Your investigative powers are likely very much on target here. We can anticipate some kind of response forthcoming.
 
Nomex said:
I think Wideawake is Citrine, and would therefore undermine any semblance of credibility she had/has...I was starting to get the impression that Citrine may have only been here to stir the pot. Let's say it could go either way...this not so much...I mean this post this person linked to was months or years ago now??? Just not at all random!
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Very possible. The forum is addicting and some appear to have a love hate relationship. In fact, I think you are correct. How else would a newbie know about an old post?
 
Nomex said:
So your one and only comment so far, is to "retweet" Citrine. Curious, and telling?
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LOL...NO this is Wide Awake who is computer illiterate..so it's me the wife and not the couple Wide Awake. Your response and other is very telling! Anyway, we have been overwhelmed with personal matters and caregiving if you recall. So, just don't have a lot of time. I just hit the search box and typed in his name as I remember someone had said who Mossimo was and thought I was helping but apparently now like WT being judged. Please be kind. Life is hard enough for us! Interesting conspiracy theory though. I had just logged in to ask for advice and got this and now confused. It was about just getting a shepherding call request and how to best respond. Now, I have to ask myself if we might as well take them up on it as I feel beat up here too. Just lovely.
Thanks a lot.
 
WideAwake2024 said:
LOL...NO this is Wide Awake who is computer illiterate..so it's me the wife and not the couple Wide Awake. Your response and other is very telling! Anyway, we have been overwhelmed with personal matters and caregiving if you recall. So, just don't have a lot of time. I just hit the search box and typed in his name as I remember someone had said who Mossimo was and thought I was helping but apparently now like WT being judged. Please be kind. Life is hard enough for us! Interesting conspiracy theory though. I had just logged in to ask for advice and got this and now confused. It was about just getting a shepherding call request and how to best respond. Now, I have to ask myself if we might as well take them up on it as I feel beat up here too. Just lovely.
Thanks a lot.
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First of all, if you are offended by Nomex, I have to believe you are gaslighting because he simply said he thought it was someone else. That isn’t an insult. Second, if you are also offended that I said it was possible when I have never heard from you before, I have to wonder who the heck you are to be so sensitive. Wow. Incredible.
 
WideAwake2024 said:
NO this is Wide Awake who is computer illiterate..so it's me the wife and not the couple Wide Awake.
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Fair enough...and I stand corrected. However, if you read what I wrote, every bit of it, like the question mark and the end of my post you quoted, I was directing the comment at Citrine if in fact she was using this name instead...which I noticed yesterday I think it was, that there is another "Wide Awake", which actually is why I looked at your number of comments in the first place, because of the topic you posted to. I was like "well that is an old post, who is bringing this up now?" So I clicked on your name and saw one comment...so without thinking I thought "I must be getting them mixed up with someone else." So it was also an honest mistake. I was not directing the comment at Citrine in a negative way either, unless she resorted to what I had suspected, which lo and behold, I was also wrong...

I didn't find an issue with you making the comment at all, what I had an issue with is if someone came here just now, and drudged up that post from a year and a half ago, it made me think there was another agenda.

Having said that, with this new information, I am very sorry I made you feel discouraged, we have had people come here just to start crap, and that's what I was thinking about when I made those comments. In the future if I see something like this again, I will be more careful to point out I was speculating and could very well be wrong. I was not wrong in my observation of the available facts, just wrong in how I interpreted it.

But again I am very sorry if I discouraged you, and I can see how it may seem like I was attacking you. It was kind of tricky though, because if I had been right...well...

But please accept my sincere apology, and ignore Susan... ;), well in this instance ignore her, but she knows her Bible so don't ignore that...haha. We are all brothers and sisters here, well most of us...and that's the issue, we know just like WT, their are some here, or we can and should suspect there may be "wolves in sheep's clothing" among us.
 
Nomex said:
Fair enough...and I stand corrected. However, if you read what I wrote, every bit of it, like the question mark and the end of my post you quoted, I was directing the comment at Citrine if in fact she was using this name instead...which I noticed yesterday I think it was, that there is another "Wide Awake", which actually is why I looked at your number of comments in the first place, because of the topic you posted to. I was like "well that is an old post, who is bringing this up now?" So I clicked on your name and saw one comment...so without thinking I thought "I must be getting them mixed up with someone else." So it was also an honest mistake. I was not directing the comment at Citrine in a negative way either, unless she resorted to what I had suspected, which lo and behold, I was also wrong...

I didn't find an issue with you making the comment at all, what I had an issue with is if someone came here just now, and drudged up that post from a year and a half ago, it made me think there was another agenda.

Having said that, with this new information, I am very sorry I made you feel discouraged, we have had people come here just to start crap, and that's what I was thinking about when I made those comments. In the future if I see something like this again, I will be more careful to point out I was speculating and could very well be wrong. I was not wrong in my observation of the available facts, just wrong in how I interpreted it.

But again I am very sorry if I discouraged you, and I can see how it may seem like I was attacking you. It was kind of tricky though, because if I had been right...well...

But please accept my sincere apology, and ignore Susan... ;), well in this instance ignore her, but she knows her Bible so don't ignore that...haha. We are all brothers and sisters here, well most of us...and that's the issue, we know just like WT, their are some here, or we can and should suspect there may be "wolves in sheep's clothing" among us.
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It will be very simple to get the 411. I’ve sent a private message to the original WideAwake who had some nice posts until last month. Hopefully I’ll hear back soon.
 
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Nomex said:
Fair enough...and I stand corrected. However, if you read what I wrote, every bit of it, like the question mark and the end of my post you quoted, I was directing the comment at Citrine if in fact she was using this name instead...which I noticed yesterday I think it was, that there is another "Wide Awake", which actually is why I looked at your number of comments in the first place, because of the topic you posted to. I was like "well that is an old post, who is bringing this up now?" So I clicked on your name and saw one comment...so without thinking I thought "I must be getting them mixed up with someone else." So it was also an honest mistake. I was not directing the comment at Citrine in a negative way either, unless she resorted to what I had suspected, which lo and behold, I was also wrong...

I didn't find an issue with you making the comment at all, what I had an issue with is if someone came here just now, and drudged up that post from a year and a half ago, it made me think there was another agenda.

Having said that, with this new information, I am very sorry I made you feel discouraged, we have had people come here just to start crap, and that's what I was thinking about when I made those comments. In the future if I see something like this again, I will be more careful to point out I was speculating and could very well be wrong. I was not wrong in my observation of the available facts, just wrong in how I interpreted it.

But again I am very sorry if I discouraged you, and I can see how it may seem like I was attacking you. It was kind of tricky though, because if I had been right...well...

But please accept my sincere apology, and ignore Susan... ;), well in this instance ignore her, but she knows her Bible so don't ignore that...haha. We are all brothers and sisters here, well most of us...and that's the issue, we know just like WT, their are some here, or we can and should suspect there may be "wolves in sheep's clothing" among us.
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Apology accepted Nomex. Thank you! I know Satan is working hard on all of us and hope your mom is ok. Can relate more than you know.
 
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