Next week's Midweek Meeting Part: "We Reject the Voice of Strangers"

[Innocent as Doves]

I'm worried now. Timing for me has been so full of anxiety. I watched the video with the link included for the part. This will be in next week's midweek meeting. I am at this time, PIMO. But my husband is PIMI. I don't know if he watched the video yet....but as most parts about this subject....it is oddly vague. I don't understand why they don't just ADDRESS the accusations against WT, instead of just telling the R&F to not even listen. (Actually, I'm pretty sure I do understand) BUT, Until Covid, I obeyed that advice. But now that I've applied John 10:5 to those who have aggressively promoted a toxic vaccine, I consider them the strangers. It's being hidden from us how many and WHY so many have been dying, getting turbo cancers and just plain in terrible health since 2021.
I'm afraid that after he reads that article....he may even put up a stronger wall between us...and I'm worried. Is anyone else in this predicament right now? And how do we handle it? There's more to my situation and question....but I'll just leave it as is for now. I don't know what to do.

 

[Watchman]

I never would have watched that video had you not mentioned it. It is sad that the WT has degraded to the point of producing soap operas. What is funny, though, to me anyway, is that people like the mum in the video who want to share links to articles and videos with negative stuff about the Watchtower usually do not link to e-watchman. Most ex-Dubs would never consider my site suitably negative since I bring the word of God to bear on the Watchtower as being God's organization but apostatizing. They prefer to keep Jehovah out of the picture.

 

[Nomex]

BUT, Until Covid, I obeyed that advice.

This is exactly how I feel. And ever since Covid I realize why they do parts like the one you mention. I haven't watch the video, (do I really need to, same old song and dance), so what I have to say will be more generalized, I'll watch it later in case there's something specific I can address.

It comes down to one very simple fact. Do you really believe Satan is the ruler of this world? Because if you really believe Satan runs things here on earth, then Covid is because of Satan, the vaccine is because of Satan, and everything the governments all over the world did, were because Satan wanted it that way. For that reason alone we should have been at the very least skeptical about anything and everything the governments were doing, especially regrading the vaccine. It shouldn't even be up for debate.

What did the org do though? They embraced Satan's way of doing things, and their claim that, "many in the world were unsure as what to do", what they mean when they say that is exactly what Satan's world meant, "listen to us without questioning anything we tell you." The only people who weren't sure were the people who don't trust the government! You know the "conspiracy theorists."

But we know WT doesn't really believe, "many in the world were unsure as what to do" or they wouldn't have made that "drama" where the "brother" is at a gas station, 50 feet away from anyone else, with his mask under his nose, and the woman at another pump shames him into putting his mask over his nose. The entire Covid fiasco proved to mean the GB and WT DO NOT have Jehovah's spirit. I doubt any of this helps, but it's my thinking on the whole thing.

 

[Nomex]

Oh, and I have seen the video as it turns out. My brother and his wife said something awhile back that is very revealing. Both his kids have "left the truth". The fact is WT is stumbling more people it seems they they are bringing in. Any way, they said to us this one visit, "when they get on the internet it's over." Which I found particularly odd. So what WT and the rank & file are saying, is your faith is so flimsy, so weak, so lacking foundation, that the first hint of anything even remotely negative results in the destruction of your faith. This is the real message, and they are getting it loud and clear. I seem to remember a scripture about this very thing, and I am pretty sure WT has drilled it down our throats over and over again.


Matt7:24,25

24 “Therefore, everyone who hears these sayings of mine and does them will be like a discreet man who built his house on the rock.c 25 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and lashed against that house, but it did not cave in, for it had been founded on the rock.


Wt is confessing, that the faith they instill in people is NOT built upon a rock mass, but rather...

26 Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.d 27 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and struck against that house,e and it caved in, and its collapse was great.”


The faith built upon WT is a man building his house on sand, and they are telling us this themselves, with propaganda like this. What WT is really afraid of is not lies, but the truth!

 

[Innocent as Doves]

But we know WT doesn't really believe, "many in the world were unsure as what to do" or they wouldn't have made that "drama" where the "brother" is at a gas station, 50 feet away from anyone else, with his mask under his nose, and the woman at another pump shames him into putting his mask over his nose. The entire Covid fiasco proved to mean the GB and WT DO NOT have Jehovah's spirit. I doubt any of this helps, but it's my thinking on the whole thing.

What video was this? My husband is totally disgusted by this type of behavior...and this may help me help him reason on things.

 

[Nomex]

What video was this? My husband is totally disgusted by this type of behavior...and this may help me help him reason on things.

That's a good question...it was a "drama" for the 2021, or 2022 convention. The husband was getting grief about not wearing the mask from his family, then the next scene he's at a gas station and that's when the woman gives him a dirty look and motions for him to cover his nose with his mask. I'll see if I can find it. I would not be surprised if it's gone now.

 

[mts]

Back around 2022, I remember a film by Claire Dooley called, "The voice of strangers" being released. It wasn't that great. Nonetheless, the title of next week's mid-week meeting part is the opposite, "We reject the Voice of Strangers". Interesting title choice. I watched the video and found it to be vague and ambiguous, basically relaying the idea that anything negative about JW's and the org is bad and should be rejected. The mom never said it was good or bad, just asked her to look at the links or info over. It was the daughter, Jade, that said the material talked bad about the org/religion. Many will understand this talk and video as pertaining to any information that does not originate from the org, others will say it's any information that has any negative or differing opinion of the org and other's will say, it doesn't matter if it's true or not, just reject it! Like @Nomex said, the fear is the information being true!

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

How many times have you talked to a Trinitarian? Of those times, how many times were you persuaded to accept any part of the doctrine as truth? Our guess is zero. Probably because, they had no truth to offer.

(John 8:31, 32) . . .And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: “If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free. . .

(John 10:2-6) 2 But he that enters through the door is shepherd of the sheep. 3 The doorkeeper opens to this one, and the sheep listen to his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has got all his own out, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will by no means follow but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus spoke this comparison to them; but they did not know what the things meant that he was speaking to them.

So, why would anyone be hesitant or afraid to read or listen to someone who doctrinally believes just as Jehovah’s Witnesses do but has a different take on prophecy with scriptures to back it up. What is the GB afraid of if they really believe they have the truth? The real truth?

 

[SusanB]

I'm worried now. Timing for me has been so full of anxiety. I watched the video with the link included for the part. This will be in next week's midweek meeting. I am at this time, PIMO. But my husband is PIMI. I don't know if he watched the video yet....but as most parts about this subject....it is oddly vague. I don't understand why they don't just ADDRESS the accusations against WT, instead of just telling the R&F to not even listen. (Actually, I'm pretty sure I do understand) BUT, Until Covid, I obeyed that advice. But now that I've applied John 10:5 to those who have aggressively promoted a toxic vaccine, I consider them the strangers. It's being hidden from us how many and WHY so many have been dying, getting turbo cancers and just plain in terrible health since 2021.
I'm afraid that after he reads that article....he may even put up a stronger wall between us...and I'm worried. Is anyone else in this predicament right now? And how do we handle it? There's more to my situation and question....but I'll just leave it as is for now. I don't know what to do.

The vaccine push was a “wake up” call to many of us. It could not be explained away. Thank Jehovah for revealing it before it was too late for us.

 

[Nomex]

So, why would anyone be hesitant or afraid or hesitant to read or listen to someone who doctrinally believes just as Jehovah’s Witnesses do but has a different take on prophecy. What is the GB afraid of if they have the truth? The real truth?

This reminds me of the movie, "I, Robot". When the scientist seemingly kills himself, he leaves behind a holographic interactive message for Will Smith, and when he's asking questions the holograph says something like, "my responses are limited, you have to ask the right question." And when he finally asks the right question the hologram says, "that is the right question." Which was a rhetorical question too. So....

"What is the GB afraid of if they have the truth? The real truth?" That is the right question.
Also, very good point about the trinity. Like I keep saying, they are not afraid of lies, they are afraid of the truth, ironically, it's the very same thing Satan hates the most! The "Father of the lie" hates the truth, and so does his followers.

 

[SusanB]

I have a list of newly understood scriptures that I love to be reminded of. Some samples.

Isaiah 8:11-13: “With his strong hand on me, this is what Jehovah said to me to warn me away from following the course of this people: “You should not call a conspiracy what this people calls a conspiracy! Do not fear what they fear; Do not tremble at it. Jehovah of armies—he is the One you should regard as holy, He is the One you should fear, And he is the One who should cause you to tremble.”

Jeremiah 7:4: “Do not put your trust in deceptive words and say, ‘This is the temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah!’”

Amos 5:18: “Woe to those who yearn for the day of Jehovah! What, then, will the day of Jehovah mean for you? It will be darkness, and not light.”

Isaiah 45:20-22: “Gather together and come. Approach together, you escapees from the nations. They know nothing, those who carry around carved images And pray to a god that cannot save them. Make your report, present your case. Let them consult together in unity. Who foretold this long ago And declared it from times past? Is it not I, Jehovah? There is no other God but me; A righteous God and a Savior, there is none besides me. Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, For I am God, and there is no one else.”

Isaiah 1:21: “How the faithful city has become a prostitute! She was full of justice; Righteousness used to lodge in her, But now murderers.”

Substitute wearing JW.org lapel buttons for carved images! I need to stop before I copy the entire Bible!

 

[Jerry&Phyllis]

Also, very good point about the trinity. Like I keep saying, they are not afraid of lies, they are afraid of the truth, ironically, it's the very same thing Satan hates the most! The "Father of the lie" hates the truth, and so does his followers.

And, Nomex, how do they differentiate the "voice of the shepherd" from the "voice of a stranger" if they don't first listen in the first place?

"When he has got all his own out, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will by no means follow but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.” (John 10:5)

 

[SusanB]

And, Nomex, how do they differentiate the "voice of the shepherd" from the "voice of a stranger" if they don't first listen in the first place?

"When he has got all his own out, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will by no means follow but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.” (John 10:5)

Mic drop!

 

[Jahrule]

Where is the video? Did I miss the link?

 

[Jahrule]

This reminds me of the movie, "I, Robot". When the scientist seemingly kills himself, he leaves behind a holographic interactive message for Will Smith, and when he's asking questions the holograph says something like, "my responses are limited, you have to ask the right question." And when he finally asks the right question the hologram says, "that is the right question." Which was a rhetorical question too. So....

"What is the GB afraid of if they have the truth? The real truth?" That is the right question.
Also, very good point about the trinity. Like I keep saying, they are not afraid of lies, they are afraid of the truth, ironically, it's the very same thing Satan hates the most! The "Father of the lie" hates the truth, and so does his followers.

Love that movie. And not just saying that because I'm afraid to get slapped.

 

[SusanB]

Where is the video? Did I miss the link?

Innocent did not post the link but its the mid week school, I think.

 

[Wide Awake]

Where is the video? Did I miss the link?

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODBiblePrinciples/pub-jwb-090_6_VIDEO

 

[DavidCJ]

I'm afraid that after he reads that article....he may even put up a stronger wall between us...and I'm worried. Is anyone else in this predicament right now? And how do we handle it? There's more to my situation and question....but I'll just leave it as is for now. I don't know what to do.

We can only keep trying and praying for them.

Rest I'm afraid will take the "terror to make them understand". To what degree of terror is required depends on the individual. Maybe a false flag event will be enough. Or maybe it'll take an actual nuclear missile wiping out a city.

The fear of losing all association with the organization you long believed was the bastion of truth is very scary. Especially if you followed their recommendations to the letter and gave up your education, career, portion of your income, and only had friends in the congregation. And who wants this comfy system of things to end? I don't either. I took comfort in the fact that since I had to go through the bad situation to accept things, eventually our loved ones will do the same, even though they might be bruised in the end.

 

[DavidCJ]

Oh, and I have seen the video as it turns out. My brother and his wife said something awhile back that is very revealing. Both his kids have "left the truth". The fact is WT is stumbling more people it seems they they are bringing in. Any way, they said to us this one visit, "when they get on the internet it's over."

I always knew that the internet would play a big role in revealing truths, because of the ease of being able to anonymously post information, you can slip away from anyone trying to catch you as readily as a rat that has covered itself in oil. Slip, slip, slip!

But we know WT doesn't really believe, "many in the world were unsure as what to do" or they wouldn't have made that "drama" where the "brother" is at a gas station, 50 feet away from anyone else, with his mask under his nose, and the woman at another pump shames him into putting his mask over his nose. The entire Covid fiasco proved to mean the GB and WT DO NOT have Jehovah's spirit. I doubt any of this helps, but it's my thinking on the whole thing.

This is very sick and was only practiced by the most rabid of the covid evangelists. I remember a stewardess smiling and gesturing her fingers(mockingly I might add) to put the mask over the nose. It really is nothing but feel-good justice. For the entire flight I had my turned head towards the window so I could breathe. How can anyone breathe in these things?

What video was this? My husband is totally disgusted by this type of behavior...and this may help me help him reason on things.

I know I'm going to show those that woke up this: https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/post-pandemic-world-bible-help/
-as Dr. Anthony Fauci put it.
-says founder of the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab

Yes and Klaus Schwab is the same despicable man that said the innovation and ingenuity by the free man to upgrade his situation in life is cancer! Can't make this up!

 

[I Like Pizza]

How many times have you talked to a Trinitarian? Of those times, how many times were you persuaded to accept any part of the doctrine as truth? Our guess is zero. Probably because, they had no truth to offer.

(John 8:31, 32) . . .And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: “If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free. . .

(John 10:2-6) 2 But he that enters through the door is shepherd of the sheep. 3 The doorkeeper opens to this one, and the sheep listen to his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he has got all his own out, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice. 5 A stranger they will by no means follow but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus spoke this comparison to them; but they did not know what the things meant that he was speaking to them.

So, why would anyone be hesitant or afraid to read or listen to someone who doctrinally believes just as Jehovah’s Witnesses do but has a different take on prophecy with scriptures to back it up. What is the GB afraid of if they really believe they have the truth? The real truth?

That makes a lot of sense when you look at it that way. I can see both sides of course because I was a witness once and understand how they try to protect the flock. There really are a lot of bad websites that are meant to lead people away from Jehovah, however they WT should empower the brothers and sisters instead of trying to protect them so much and put faith in Jehovah that he will help those who love truth to see it.

 

[DavidCJ]

So, why would anyone be hesitant or afraid to read or listen to someone who doctrinally believes just as Jehovah’s Witnesses do but has a different take on prophecy with scriptures to back it up. What is the GB afraid of if they really believe they have the truth? The real truth?

It's very subtle, that's the problem. Normally I have quite an independent mind, but if I was still part of the organization I don't know what I would have done for the simple fact that the belief that they are the true faith is strongly inculcated in us. I had many unconscious "voices" in my head when I was attending.

-Why are the questions about most of the prophetic books not answered? When will it be answered?(Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, Malachi, etc).
-They claim they aren't prophets, yet in other circumstances they strongly imply they are the authoritative source of the information. Never directly, but indirectly. "We are the faithful and discreet slave whom Christ uses to deliver the messages..."
-Even deeper it felt like a lull, that I wasn't learning something significant after the basic facts. The things that the sisters/brothers talk in beaming tones about "new spiritual knowledge" didn't seem to be anything more than slight adjustments of the previous understandings, nothing drastic.
-And obviously there were many divorced and even had one disfellowshipped got reinstated in my congregation. Seeing that my parents were long time JWs, I have seen many such instances. It may have been better than the outside world(at least I thought at the time) but it was no "paradise".

 

[Arctic Cat]

We can only keep trying and praying for them.

Rest I'm afraid will take the "terror to make them understand". To what degree of terror is required depends on the individual. Maybe a false flag event will be enough. Or maybe it'll take an actual nuclear missile wiping out a city.

The fear of losing all association with the organization you long believed was the bastion of truth is very scary. Especially if you followed their recommendations to the letter and gave up your education, career, portion of your income, and only had friends in the congregation. And who wants this comfy system of things to end? I don't either. I took comfort in the fact that since I had to go through the bad situation to accept things, eventually our loved ones will do the same, even though they might be bruised in the end.

prayer is indeed a powerful thing.. even if it can take awhile.. funny thing is my 14 year old have seem to have understood whats happened to the (b)org.. last week he prayed to Jehovah to help him find out the truth about whats going on with jw's then he came and asked me directly.. i gave him the bulletpointed list..explaining to the best of my ability the whats and whys.. luckily he has so far come to the conclusion that Jehovah and Jesus are real and the bible gods word.. only he doesnt trust in men anymore.. and the rest of the family seem to have gained some newfound humility as of late.. im hoping and awaiting patiently for the time when the others will start asking questions too.. and in the meantime i have someone close to talk about these things with

 

[Innocent as Doves]

This is very sick and was only practiced by the most rabid of the covid evangelists. I remember a stewardess smiling and gesturing her fingers(mockingly I might add) to put the mask over the nose. It really is nothing but feel-good justice. For the entire flight I had my turned head towards the window so I could breathe. How can anyone breathe in these things?

Thank you for validating the feelings of possibly millions of people! Does anyone remember seeing the videos of Kindergardners that were being made to 'mask up' by their parents before going to school? They were screaming and crying and trying to rip the masks off! I felt SO SORRY for those kids, they are probably permanently damaged now. I know I would have been!

I know I'm going to show those that woke up this: https://www.jw.org/en/library/series/more-topics/post-pandemic-world-bible-help/
-as Dr. Anthony Fauci put it.
-says founder of the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab

I hated that article. I am very familiar with Narcissistic behavior and gaslighting. This is such a great example of gaslighting!
(Comments in Red text are mine)
Use reliable information
Scripture: “The naive person believes every word, but the shrewd one ponders each step.”—Proverbs 14:15.
What it means for you: Choose carefully what advice you will follow. Your choice matters—you could potentially harm your health by making decisions based on misinformation.

Oh, like from the CDC, WHO, Dr. Fauci, etc, etc?
(Following excerpts are from the 'misinformation' article hyperlinked in the pandemic article:

• Conspiracy theories

For example, during the COVID-19 pandemic, the secretary-general of the United Nations warned of a dangerous epidemic of misinformation.

So, since when are we following the United Nations? Maybe since 1992?

Evaluate the source and content

What the Bible says: “Make sure of all things.”—1 Thessalonians 5:21.

Before believing or forwarding a story, even one that is popular or repeated in the news, verify that it is true. How?

Evaluate the reliability of the source. News media companies and other organizations may slant a story because of their commercial or political bias. Compare what you see in one news outlet with other sources.
They need to follow their own advice!

Stop the spread of misinformation

What the Bible says: “You must not spread a report that is not true.”—Exodus 23:1.

Remember that the information you share with others has the power to affect their thoughts and actions. Even if you unintentionally pass on wrong information, the consequences can be harmful.

Ask yourself: ‘Am I sharing this information because I know it is true?’

What is a conspiracy theory? A conspiracy theory is a claim that sinister and powerful groups have secretly plotted to cause a significant or tragic event.
Oh, you mean like SATAN and his DEMONS? So the Bible's message is a conspiracy theory?
Show respect for others

Scripture: “Honor men of all sorts.”—1 Peter 2:17.

What it means for you: People have reacted differently to the pandemic and its consequences. Allow them their opinions, but respectfully stick to the good decisions that you have made. Be considerate of the unvaccinated, the elderly, and those with serious underlying health issues.

This was the most cringeworthy 'advice' from the gaslighters!

Mt 16:6, Mark 7:6-8