Norwegian Jehovah's Witnesses demand subsidy despite their loss of religious status.

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Fair point but that doesn't explain why he talks down to grown adults as if they were children. They all do. It's all part of the infantilization of the public. "We know best. Follow us so you don't hurt yourselves or get upset."
Such gestures are a form of self support to an insecure knowledge base, or area of emotive loss and expression. If his childhood was beleaguered with communication problems and speech development then an extremis of gesture in communication would be a natural outcome. It would therefore be natural to conclude that his over-emphasised gesturing would be to emphasise the degree of meaning/need of his words used. For instance, if you were trying to convey intense embarrassment to a person who cannot distinguish words easily due to deafness, you could illustrate it simply by expressing the word “No!” And covering your face with your hands. Meaning is conveyed by context. In fact, context in gesture is often more expressive than words - as is eye contact. Though it appears that Lett talks down to the flock, it is more likely that he is defending himself in his position - trying to add genuine concern to a position of fakery. I suppose that is judgemental of me to say so, but such traits do seem to be self evident in all of them - just look at all the ‘authority’ evident in Winders talk about Jehovah’s apparent laxity in explaining things properly to the governing body and thus there (apparently) not being any need for them to apologise for Jehovah’s omissions.
 

J&P

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JW sues Norway: Verdict


Jehovah's Witnesses lost to the state - will not get state support back
Jehovah's Witnesses do not get back the state subsidy. The decisions to deny the religious community support are known to be valid, and the state is acquitted in a recent judgment in the Oslo District Court.

NTB
1 hour ago

According to the judgment, the exclusion practice of Jehovah's Witnesses involves "serious violations of the rights and freedoms of others", writes Dagen on Monday afternoon.

The trial went before Oslo district court in January, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted. Jehovah's Witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over NOK 1.1 million.

Jehovah's Witnesses filed a lawsuit against the state of Norway after being deprived of the right to state subsidies and registration as a religious community, writes Vårt Land.

Last year it became known that the religious community will lose both the state subsidy for 2021 and the registration as a religious community. Jehovah's Witnesses disagree with the decision and have filed a lawsuit against the state.

The decision has also been upheld for the rejections of state aid in 2022 and 2023.

The demand for subsequent payment of a total grant of NOK 35 million was also rejected by the court.

The reason for the revocation of the state grant is that the Ministry of Children and Families and the State Administrator believe that the exclusion practice of Jehovah's Witnesses involves negative social control and prevents free expression from the religious community.

"Through the guidelines and practice of exclusion, Jehovah's Witnesses encourage members who are ostracized or withdraw, so that with few exceptions they are exposed to social isolation from those remaining in the religious community," concludes judge Ole Kristen Øverberg.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

Well-known member
JW sues Norway: Verdict


Jehovah's Witnesses lost to the state - will not get state support back
Jehovah's Witnesses do not get back the state subsidy. The decisions to deny the religious community support are known to be valid, and the state is acquitted in a recent judgment in the Oslo District Court.

NTB
1 hour ago

According to the judgment, the exclusion practice of Jehovah's Witnesses involves "serious violations of the rights and freedoms of others", writes Dagen on Monday afternoon.

The trial went before Oslo district court in January, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted. Jehovah's Witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over NOK 1.1 million.

Jehovah's Witnesses filed a lawsuit against the state of Norway after being deprived of the right to state subsidies and registration as a religious community, writes Vårt Land.

Last year it became known that the religious community will lose both the state subsidy for 2021 and the registration as a religious community. Jehovah's Witnesses disagree with the decision and have filed a lawsuit against the state.

The decision has also been upheld for the rejections of state aid in 2022 and 2023.

The demand for subsequent payment of a total grant of NOK 35 million was also rejected by the court.

The reason for the revocation of the state grant is that the Ministry of Children and Families and the State Administrator believe that the exclusion practice of Jehovah's Witnesses involves negative social control and prevents free expression from the religious community.

"Through the guidelines and practice of exclusion, Jehovah's Witnesses encourage members who are ostracized or withdraw, so that with few exceptions they are exposed to social isolation from those remaining in the religious community," concludes judge Ole Kristen Øverberg.
GREAT. The court costs are far too low though. They should have had to make reparations.
 

kenmuldoon55

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JW sues Norway: Verdict


Jehovah's Witnesses lost to the state - will not get state support back
Jehovah's Witnesses do not get back the state subsidy. The decisions to deny the religious community support are known to be valid, and the state is acquitted in a recent judgment in the Oslo District Court.

NTB
1 hour ago

According to the judgment, the exclusion practice of Jehovah's Witnesses involves "serious violations of the rights and freedoms of others", writes Dagen on Monday afternoon.

The trial went before Oslo district court in January, and now the district court has concluded that the state is acquitted. Jehovah's Witnesses are also ordered to pay court costs of just over NOK 1.1 million.

Jehovah's Witnesses filed a lawsuit against the state of Norway after being deprived of the right to state subsidies and registration as a religious community, writes Vårt Land.

Last year it became known that the religious community will lose both the state subsidy for 2021 and the registration as a religious community. Jehovah's Witnesses disagree with the decision and have filed a lawsuit against the state.

The decision has also been upheld for the rejections of state aid in 2022 and 2023.

The demand for subsequent payment of a total grant of NOK 35 million was also rejected by the court.

The reason for the revocation of the state grant is that the Ministry of Children and Families and the State Administrator believe that the exclusion practice of Jehovah's Witnesses involves negative social control and prevents free expression from the religious community.

"Through the guidelines and practice of exclusion, Jehovah's Witnesses encourage members who are ostracized or withdraw, so that with few exceptions they are exposed to social isolation from those remaining in the religious community," concludes judge Ole Kristen Øverberg.
Sorry friends I just couldn't resist.

 

kenmuldoon55

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This is what happens when a lowly publishing company begins amassing millions of $$$, then billions of $$$, then the lawyers and financiers begin making decisions based on financial considerations. The truth gets pushed out of sight.
With this judgement and perhaps other nations following suit against the .org, I predict the gov body will soon be receiving
flashes of “new light” to adjust their present shunning policies.
 

SusanB

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With this judgement and perhaps other nations following suit against the .org, I predict the gov body will soon be receiving
flashes of “new light” to adjust their present shunning policies.
Meditator and I ran into an Elder from our old congregation this morning at Costco. Of course he is growing a beard. I thought it funny that Meditator said to him that it was great he was growing a beard now that he has “permission“ to do so. And the Brother smiled broadly like he enjoyed getting “permission” from the dictator’s of Sodom, I mean the Governing Body. He really didn’t realize the irony of it. Meditator then said that we were going to Memorial to see how many brothers have beards. His reply is that they all have beards now.
 

kenmuldoon55

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Meditator and I ran into an Elder from our old congregation this morning at Costco. Of course he is growing a beard. I thought it funny that Meditator said to him that it was great he was growing a beard now that he has “permission“ to do so. And the Brother smiled broadly like he enjoyed getting “permission” from the dictator’s of Sodom, I mean the Governing Body. He really didn’t realize the irony of it. Meditator then said that we were going to Memorial to see how many brothers have beards. His reply is that they all have beards now.
I love it Susan😂
What next, tight pants and man buns?
 

Seadog

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Meditator and I ran into an Elder from our old congregation this morning at Costco. Of course he is growing a beard. I thought it funny that Meditator said to him that it was great he was growing a beard now that he has “permission“ to do so. And the Brother smiled broadly like he enjoyed getting “permission” from the dictator’s of Sodom, I mean the Governing Body. He really didn’t realize the irony of it. Meditator then said that we were going to Memorial to see how many brothers have beards. His reply is that they all have beards now.
Ha yes I say to the bros wearing beards” I see you’re growing a number 8” in reference to the update number giving permission to a flogged body of men to do something which is a God given right😂
one or two looked shifty and got my point. Maybe the GB find it thrilling to bend men to their will?
 

J&P

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We did look and it wasn’t there! Not surprising!
Isn't it funny how they only report the favorable "stuff". Stands in contrast to the Bible writers who were candid about their shortcomings.

BTW, we're glad you're here and decided to speak out. Enjoyed your introductory comments and, like many on the forum, we have had similar experiences. For us, the vax was the final straw but the cracks started appearing long before. It's just not the same organization as it was in the 70's and 80's. Look forward to hearing more from you.
 
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Wide Awake

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It's isn't funny how they only report the favorable "stuff". Stands in contrast to the Bible writers who were candid about their shortcomings.

BTW, we're glad you're here and decided to speak out. Enjoyed your introductory comments and, like many on the forum, we have had similar experiences. For us, the vax was the final straw but the cracks started appearing long before. It's just not the same organization as it was in the 70's and 80's. Look forward to hearing more from you.
Yes, we had seen cracks too, but rationalized Jehovah will take care of it and wait on Jehovah. Well, we should have known Jehovah was trying to help us see things, but we just clearly weren’t ready. Thank you for your kind words!
 

StopTheInsanity

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Br. Lett is emotive in his talking because he grew up as a child with his parents that were practically deaf. He's been that way long before being a GB member.
According to his niece Brandy, he's actually not that way when he speaks to people in real life. There is a video on JW.org where he is talking very softly with minimal facial expressions.

After Gage Fleegle got appointed at a GB member, he was very subdued in his first interview with Jeffrey Winder and Kenneth Cook. Then, later in the videos, he got the same eyebrow raising exaggerated expressions. They are using the same coach.
 

StopTheInsanity

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The final verdict is in! WT lost. Find out the amount of money they lost and have to pay.

Kim Mikey made a video today about this and said that WT is going to spin it as "they governments are persecuting us" and she made a good point that WT can still worship freely, they just aren't going to get free government money anymore so it's important to keep that in mind.

The lawyer for WT cost about a 1/2 a million alone, so now they have to pay the opposing counsel's court fees as well. They brough this on themselves for being so bold to ask for it.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Kim Mikey made a video today about this and said that WT is going to spin it as "they governments are persecuting us" and she made a good point that WT can still worship freely, they just aren't going to get free government money anymore so it's important to keep that in mind.

The lawyer for WT cost about a 1/2 a million alone, so now they have to pay the opposing counsel's court fees as well. They brough this on themselves for being so bold to ask for it.
I hope other countries follow suit. Another forum member told me that it will depend on whether other countries are under the ECHR which is against shunning.
 
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