Seems to me Satan knows he won't win, he knows his time is short and if he's going down, he's taking as many as he possibly can. Of course, he's ignorant of God's plans and purposes.
So, what do you believe is his fate?
Absolutely Dan11:32b testifies
1Cor6:3 The elect will judge angels; maybe some will receive a merciful outcome?
Seems as he already met it.
So you believe he's in second death? No hope of a resurrection?
I was talking about this thread with my son and his church friend last night. It's not crystal clear what happens to Adam & Eve. On the one hand they were perfect, and Jehovah gave them clear instructions, which they disobeyed. As perfect human they were most likely (I try not to assume I know anything I can't prove) the most intelligent humans ever. They were also child-like in their innocence though, and had no concept of what a lie was. So here comes this serpent who tricks Eve into eating the fruit. She then proceeds to tell Adam what she was told, and I would guess he was pretty confused. On the one hand Jehovah told them they would die if they ate the fruit, yet here's Eve... still living, possible eating some of the fruit to show Adam it's OK. It had to be a pretty confusing situation.
The jury isn't in. Who am I to judge any decision God makes? Adam was perfect and chose to sin so the odds arent great, but if he wants to resurrect Adam thats up to him. I got a few questions if he does though.
Carl, I'm not gonna lie, that is some scary stuff you are doing here, i'm telling you straight out. When the bible states "Adam was not deceived" and then you try to find a reason that he WAS deceived, you are manipulating the truth to your own narrative. Thats not a good thing. Thats exactly what is going on all around us in the world today. A man can be a woman. The fundamental truth is a man cannot ever be a woman, but when you ask somebody that question quite often you get 'they can if they want to be'. How do they come up with that answer, because they are manipulating truth to a narrative that has been adopted by the woke mob. They have allowed a false narrative to define what truth is and in doing so have enabled themselves to believe a lie. Once a person starts doing that, then really ask yourself, where do they stand regarding any truth if they have already allowed the most basic of truths to be questioned. If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. I'm not going to fall for that type of logic regarding Adam being deceived when the scriptures are quite clear. A man is a man always, a woman is a woman always, and Adam was NOT deceived by any lie that was brought forth by Satan, or Eve. Look at the bold part of what you said I highlighted above. Now look at the scripture.
I disagree with your opinion, and I've explained why 6 ways from Sunday. You can choose to have another understanding, but please don't claim I'm manipulating the truth! Either Adam was deceived or he ate the fruit knowing was going to die. I believe Paul was referring to Eve's being deceived by Satan, not Adam... who wasn't the one deceived by Satan. You have your view, and I'm entitled to mine.
First lets realize that what I am saying is certainly not an opinion. An opinion is something that is based on a point of view, not necessarily a fact. Yes, the bible is full of teachings that can be taken a number of ways, but there are many things that are point blank. God is Love. Many people who don't believe that have their own opinion don't they? Yet the fact is God is Love. Jesus is the firstborn of God. Yet to those who don't believe they have their own opinion. There is a saying about opinions but I won't use it here...lets just say everybody has one. So does that mean everything must just be opinion Carl? The problem with that type of logic is that opinions often change when somebody presents a better theory.
What you say here Carl is your beautiful truth. I have personally witnessed you time after time be very reasonable in your dealings with some and I have seen your flexibility (again, very reasonable) when items of interest are pointed out to you to the degree that you make adjustments to your thinking. I find you an excellent example of someone who is firm in their own personal beliefs but not ultra-stuck to them just for the sake of personal ambition or pride. I totally appreciate that about you and thank you for all your massive insights here on this forum. I also enjoy the privilege you extend to me and others to disagree with you on some of your points, thank you.
Nicely said Meditator
Conjecture... opinion... potato... potatoe... whatever you want to call it is fine. You and I disagree with what we believe Paul was thinking. So basically it boils down to whether or not Adam ate the fruit knowing he was going to die. If he wasn't deceived as you believe, then he ate it knowing he was going to die. I believe Paul was saying he wasn't deceived into eating it by Satan, but there's no mention of Eve's deception. We can agree to disagree.
Wow lovely brother you must be a Beroean!
This forum has made me one. lol I love this place!