On the Edge of a Nuclear Abyss

interesting thoughts and understandable but i would say that the coming storm has to be something far less than a "Nuclear abyss" but more like a nuclear exchange on military targets designed to scare the life out of mankind rather than destroy all life on earth.
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
Wouldn’t take much to plunge a hysterics prone world into chaos.
Look how much mileage they got out of 9/11. A couple nukes here and there would shut everything down.
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for sure Ken
mankind are being programmed daily to be scared and react appropriatley
However once we figure out satans tactics we see the intended purpose to gain control by means of fear.
the Covid drama has taught us a very good lesson and indeed it has taught those who used it a very good lesson that being if fear is used upon the many then greater control is achieved by the few who orchestrated the situation to cause fear.
greater induced fear of the masses = greater control of mankind by the few
But thanks to Jehovah we have the scriptures which are our reading glasses so to speak, it is through the scriptures that we see better what the reality is rather than being held captive to the one fed to us by politicians and MSM.
 
I’m still seeing frightened idiots driving in their cars alone wearing masks.
Imagine the control the PTB will have over these gutless wonders when mushroom clouds start ascending into the heavens.
 
You know..... it makes me wonder, as a few guesses for the near future, 1 nuke going off in a major western city with the spread of radioactive fallout would bring it's law order to nothing. Could the great tribulation be the aftermath of a nuclear war, but not global? Which forces most nations to crumble and a new system (the 8th king) comes out of it?
 
Jordan Seager said:
You know..... it makes me wonder, as a few guesses for the near future, 1 nuke going off in a major western city with the spread of radioactive fallout would bring it's law order to nothing. Could the great tribulation be the aftermath of a nuclear war, but not global? Which forces most nations to crumble and a new system (the 8th king) comes out of it?
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i would say yes that seems to be the plan, Fear inducement and excuses for world government
problem reaction solution works every time
 
JTK said:
interesting thoughts and understandable but i would say that the coming storm has to be something far less than a "Nuclear abyss" but more like a nuclear exchange on military targets designed to scare the life out of mankind rather than destroy all life on earth.
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The precise reason that Jehovah has to step in. "unless those days were cut short no flesh would be saved, but on account of the chosen ones....." An existential threat to mankind must happen to warrant Jehovah stepping in. Otherwise Satan will destroy everyone and everything.
 
JTK said:

may be a bit hard to understand the scottish accent for those outside the uk.
Neil is a righteous man and has called the covid plot from day 1
and he sees clearly that we are being controlled by fear
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Great video!
This fellow tells it like it is.
 
Jordan Seager said:
You know..... it makes me wonder, as a few guesses for the near future, 1 nuke going off in a major western city with the spread of radioactive fallout would bring it's law order to nothing. Could the great tribulation be the aftermath of a nuclear war, but not global? Which forces most nations to crumble and a new system (the 8th king) comes out of it?
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Revelation 6 states that 1/4th of mankind is killed due to the great sword of war that will be unsheathed along with the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse’s ride.
That’s 2 billion by current population numbers.
This event will kill the equivalent of all people living in North, Central and South America and about a half of the African continent just to give you an Idea of the global death toll.
So no not one nation but many nations will be directly impacted by the Great Tribulations death count.
 
Driven said:
I love the accent!
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Hi Driven
yes its the "how can i be guilty of treason if england is foreign to me" william wallace type scottish accent but Neil is no nationalist or Globalist he is a realist and a historian and he has been a source of sensibility for many in the uk throughout the pandemic hype.
he is a truly wonderful human being
John
 
JTK said:
Hi Driven
yes its the "how can i be guilty of treason if england is foreign to me" william wallace type scottish accent but Neil is no nationalist or Globalist he is a realist and a historian and he has been a source of sensibility for many in the uk throughout the pandemic hype.
he is a truly wonderful human being
John
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He sounds like it. He is lovable.
 
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Robert194972 said:
The precise reason that Jehovah has to step in. "unless those days were cut short no flesh would be saved, but on account of the chosen ones....." An existential threat to mankind must happen to warrant Jehovah stepping in. Otherwise Satan will destroy everyone and everything.
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for certain that is the watchtower understaning and even that of many of us, but i find that it does not harmonise entirely with scripture.
the nation against nation is for certain a major earth shattering blow for mankind but i do not believe that Christ is refering to cutting short those particular days or indeed the flesh being saved from destruction by nuclear power.
But rather he is refering to the possible falling away from God, specifically in relation to the elect
the reason for that is i believe it is clear from scripture that it is the intent of Satan to be worshiped by mankind, indeed it was his desire from the time of Adam and Eve, yes to bring death to them, but to also to bring them to obey his commands rather than Jehovah's and that is how death came to them.
and so if he could reduce the chosen number of 144 k by just one son of God he would acomplish the destruction of the plan of God
no flesh would be saved ever, the Plan of God would be in tatters

notice how the scripture inj mark 13 shifts from nation against nation v 8,9 into a time of sorrows and persecution of the elect, the preaching of the gospel and brother brother betrayal and the rise of the abomination causing desolation v10,11,12,13,14, in other words a great time of tribulation upon the elect of God
and then he concludes with
no flesh should be saved but for the sake of the Elect he has shortened the days Mark13 :20
so bearing in mind that revelation 13 shows a pictoral of the death stroke on the head and the subsequent healing and then the rise of the beast and the demand by it of worship of the nations, i find it difficult to match that picture with a one of utter destruction of mankind upon mankind
Its all about the elect of God that is the primary target of Satan
 
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JTK said:
for certain that is the watchtower understaning and even that of many of us, but i find that it does not harmonise entirely with scripture.
the nation against nation is for certain a major earth shattering blow for mankind but i do not believe that Christ is refering to cutting short those particular days or indeed the flesh being saved from destruction by nuclear power.
But rather he is refering to the possible falling away from God, specifically in relation to the elect
the reason for that is i believe it is clear from scripture that it is the intent of Satan to be worshiped by mankind, indeed it was his desire from the time of Adam and Eve, yes to bring death to them, but to also to bring them to obey his commands rather than Jehovah's and that is how death came to them.
and so if he could reduce the chosen number of 144 k by just one son of God he would acomplish the destruction of the plan of God
no flesh would be saved ever, the Plan of God would be in tatters

notice how the scripture inj mark 13 shifts from nation against nation v 8,9 into a time of sorrows and persecution of the elect, the preaching of the gospel and brother brother betrayal and the rise of the abomination causing desolation v10,11,12,13,14, in other words a great time of tribulation upon the elect of God
and then he concludes with
no flesh should be saved but for the sake of the Elect he has shortened the days Mark13 :20
so bearing in mind that revelation 13 shows a pictoral of the death stroke on the head and the subsequent healing and then the rise of the beast and the demand by it of worship of the nations, i find it difficult to match that picture with a one of utter destruction of mankind upon mankind
Its all about the elect of God that is the primary target of Satan
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I don't recall any WT publications that reflect the comments I made? Maybe you can think of some? Maybe you can explain to me how my comments are not based on scripture? I did partly quote Mt-24:22, at least that part is scripture. And according to Jesus no flesh will be saved. He didn't specify what flesh? He said NO flesh. So if Jehovah didn't step in NO!!! flesh would be saved. Why? I'll let you work that one out. My comments are unsciptural you say?
 
Robert194972 said:
I don't recall any WT publications that reflect the comments I made? Maybe you can think of some? Maybe you can explain to me how my comments are not based on scripture? I did partly quote Mt-24:22, at least that part is scripture. And according to Jesus no flesh will be saved. He didn't specify what flesh? He said NO flesh. So if Jehovah didn't step in NO!!! flesh would be saved. Why? I'll let you work that one out. My comments are unsciptural you say?
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no, sorry Robert i did not intend to offend you of course what you have said is scriptural , you quote scripture i am simply questioning the application and understanding as we must always do in order to check our understandings
ad i am not saying that what is coming is not going to look like the end of mankinds existence indeed it is designed to do so.
the thrust of my point is that nuclear destruction of planet earth is not the main agenda of Satan, and if what we are reading in these scriptures indicate that it is indeed his intent, then i struggle to fit the rest of scripture to align with that intent
for example
we know satan produces the eighth King and demands worship of mankind by the mark, however utter nuclear destruction of mankind and the elect does not achieve that desire, after such an event this earth then no life would survive and satan has destroyed his own goal the one he expressed to Christ "bow down and worship me" when he tried to persuade Christ to worship him on the mountain
indeed the remnant of the 144k are going to be put to the same test by satans eighth king
and does Jehovah really need to step in because the elect going to die in a nuclear holocaust,
surely death is an essential journey to Christ
so i think he steps in not because the nuclear exchanges that will undoubtably take place,( this is designed by satan to move the world to control of his eighth king not to destroy the world) but rather Christ steps in to end the tribulation that follows the nuclear events and that scripture shows as a time never before experienced by Believers
this is shown in scripture as when the rise of the eighth king with the mark of the beast comes on scene
like i said in my previous post if just one of the elect fails the loyalty test that Christ passes then all flesh is finished Satan has been victorious and so the time allowed for him to pursue the annointed ones and eventually overcome them is limited by Jehovah, by his stepping and by sending Christ and it is by this means that the days are cut short
we read of this event in Daniel 7:21,22 where we see the little horn "prevailing against the holy ones" until the ancient of days interveens
personally i find this more of a scripturally logic view, rather than the total destruction of all mankind by the hand of satan in nuclear oblivion when that would result in destruction of his ambition to be god over mankind
that is all i was trying to convey
i apologise if i hurt you Robert that was not my intent
john
 
JTK said:
no, sorry Robert i did not intend to offend you of course what you have said is scriptural , you quote scripture i am simply questioning the application and understanding as we must always do in order to check our understandings
ad i am not saying that what is coming is not going to look like the end of mankinds existence indeed it is designed to do so.
the thrust of my point is that nuclear destruction of planet earth is not the main agenda of Satan, and if what we are reading in these scriptures indicate that it is indeed his intent, then i struggle to fit the rest of scripture to align with that intent
for example
we know satan produces the eighth King and demands worship of mankind by the mark, however utter nuclear destruction of mankind and the elect does not achieve that desire, after such an event this earth then no life would survive and satan has destroyed his own goal the one he expressed to Christ "bow down and worship me" when he tried to persuade Christ to worship him on the mountain
indeed the remnant of the 144k are going to be put to the same test by satans eighth king
and does Jehovah really need to step in because the elect going to die in a nuclear holocaust,
surely death is an essential journey to Christ
so i think he steps in not because the nuclear exchanges that will undoubtably take place,( this is designed by satan to move the world to control of his eighth king not to destroy the world) but rather Christ steps in to end the tribulation that follows the nuclear events and that scripture shows as a time never before experienced by Believers
this is shown in scripture as when the rise of the eighth king with the mark of the beast comes on scene
like i said in my previous post if just one of the elect fails the loyalty test that Christ passes then all flesh is finished Satan has been victorious and so the time allowed for him to pursue the annointed ones and eventually overcome them is limited by Jehovah, by his stepping and by sending Christ and it is by this means that the days are cut short
we read of this event in Daniel 7:21,22 where we see the little horn "prevailing against the holy ones" until the ancient of days interveens
personally i find this more of a scripturally logic view, rather than the total destruction of all mankind by the hand of satan in nuclear oblivion when that would result in destruction of his ambition to be god over mankind
that is all i was trying to convey
i apologise if i hurt you Robert that was not my intent
john
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I'm have thick skin so to speak I don't hurt so easily. Yes I agree with you fully that Satan is after the woman's seed. His final shot at breaking their integrity
( all it takes is one ) through whom he will be vindicated for the issue he raised in the garden which really was an accusation against Jehovah.

Satan knows the scriptures as well as we do, so he knows full well what his end will be. So when he is kicked out of heaven he will go all out. But he is not going to stop at trying to break the brother's integrity. He must take it all the way to death. The bible makes it clear that the wild beast will kill them
Rev-11:7.

My point is that Satan will not stop there. He will try to destroy everything and everyone on the planet, obligating Jehovah to step in. First on account of the chosen ones because they must be sealed before they die, Rev- 7:1-3, And second "....unless those days were cut short no flesh will be saved..." Mt-24:22.

When the nukes start flying do you really think anyone will survive if Jehovah does not step in? Do you think that either side will call a cease fire? The west wants a nuke war otherwise they would have stopped advancing into Russian territory. And Putin is riled up so he is not likely to back down? Once the nukes start flying, only Jehovah can stop it. That is the best I can explain my thinking. Peace out my brother.
 
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Robert194972 said:
I'm have thick skin so to speak I don't hurt so easily. Yes I agree with you fully that Satan is after the woman's seed. His final shot at breaking their integrity
( all it takes is one ) through whom he will be vindicated for the issue he raised in the garden which really was an accusation against Jehovah.

Satan knows the scriptures as well as we do, so he knows full well what his end will be. So when he is kicked out of heaven he will go all out. But he is not going to stop at trying to break the brother's integrity. He must take it all the way to death. The bible makes it clear that his agent will kill them Rev-11:7.

My point is that Satan will not stop there he will try to destroy everything and everyone on the planet, obligating Jehovah to step step in. First on account of the chosen ones because they must be sealed before they die, Rev- 7:1-3, And second "....unless those days were cut short no flesh will be saved..." Mt-24:22.

When the nukes start flying do you really think anyone will survive if Jehovah does not step in? Do you think that either side will call a cease fire? The west wants a nuke war otherwise they would have stopped advancing into Russian territory. And Putin is riled up so he is not likely to back down? Once the nukes start flying only Jehovah can stop it.
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My thoughts are that some of these politicians and “rulers” have the arrogance to think they can get away with using limited nukes. Plus I heard Putin say that if the US fired off Nukes toward Russia, his last act would be to retaliate even though Russia would face certain annihilation. He said there will be no world without a Russia. I think he means that. And, I think Satan’s way of thinking is “rule or ruin” and that is the same way that Putin thinks and many others like him. Satan knows the outcome and so the next best thing would be to cause as much ruin as possible. But he always starts out by trying to trick people into worshipping him or even one act of worship because that fits his agenda of rivalry with Jehovah and causing humans to sin out of stupidity or weakness.
 
Robert194972 said:
When the nukes start flying do you really think anyone will survive if Jehovah does not step in? Do you think that either side will call a cease fire? The west wants a nuke war otherwise they would have stopped advancing into Russian territory. And Putin is riled up so he is not likely to back down? Once the nukes start flying, only Jehovah can stop it. That is the best I can explain my thinking. Peace out my brother.
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yes i agree satan will find himself thrown to earth from heaven and will be in a rage knowing that his time is short
and so scripture tells us woe to the earth and its inhabitants due to his arrival.
absolutley it is going to look like the end of the world
but if understand what i am reading correctly WW£ breaks at the arrival of Satan, and the head of the beast receives a death wound
now hold it there and consider the next event
it is healed, Wow!
think about that, the death stroke is healed, not by Jehovah but by Satan and his system
and why is it healed?
it is healed to become the eighth King
So what i am seeing from scripture is a deceitful scheming plan to entrap mankind with fear, a plan that involves the near global destruction of mankind followed by something not short of miraculous that revives the head back to life

Now either this is simply plan B for Satan after plan A failed to destroy mankind due to Jehovah intervening, or its all a complex plan with orchestrated warfare to produce the eighth King , enforce the mark of the beast, and persecute the holy ones and try to make them break their covenant with Christ.
thankfully the word of God informs us that they suffer until death for if they did not and broke their covenant and chose life under satans rule then no flesh could be saved
and it would really be no flesh, no resurrection, no paradise earth, no great crowd and no eternal life and no kingdom of God ruling mankind
all that would be left would be God and Satan and satan would be victorious
and that is why i see The cutting short of the time By Jehovah as being more logically applied to the period of tribulation time that comes
after the nuclear exchanges have ended and the eight king has been enthroned.
it is critical that the time is shortened for the elect to endure to death quickly rather than being subject for a long time to the pressures of Satan to join him
these are simply my thoughts about these events, but nuclear destruction being stopped short by the arrival of Christ does not seem to fit
with the events that follow namely the tribulation and persecution of believers by the eighth king
john
 
Robert194972 said:
He didn't specify what flesh? He said NO flesh. So if Jehovah didn't step in NO!!! flesh would be saved.
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It is always good to think about the context, becasue the Apostles were actually asking about the end of the Jewish system, and this was a Composite prophecy. When Rome broguht the "tribulation" to the Jews, the entire Jewish system was wiped out and the survivors scattered to the four corners of the earth, not to return until the UN got involved 2000 years later.
 
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