Our first time speaking out and experience!

Wide Awake

Well-known member
We are a married couple who have been lurking on here for a couple of years. We are fortunate enough to both have woken up together. It has been a process and are still somewhat in due to caretaking for elderly parents. One seems to be PIMQ giving us hope. We have a lot to say but for now will keep it to an overview. This is the first online platform or outside online forum we discovered and really helped open our eyes.

We are thankful to Robert for having created this space for us to have a place to finally speak.

This is the first time we are speaking out. We have wanted to for a while and finally allowing ourselves to do so. Everyone has their reasons and pace and we will not encourage anyone to go any particular route. Everyone has to go at their own pace for their own reasons and if there is anything we have learned now it is not to judge others and to show more love. We were die hard pimi’s. We both have had “special privileges/titles” for many decades.

There are things we have read on some posts and we can answer some questions.

What woke us up? VAXX pressure. The absolute insanity and pressure to encourage people to take the VAXX which is a personal medical decision was beyond distressing. We do not say that lightly. The ENORMOUS pressure and HORRIBLE statements it allowed the “brothers and sisters” to say were beyond hurtful and unloving. In time, hopefully we can explain more, but for now know we are still seeing double talk. This weekend’s current one-day program with the branch representative literally said “…with health issues , how sad it was to see that even simple matters of public health such as wearing masks or hand washing or physical distancing or vaxxs, those things became controversial , even political, but those are all things Jehovah has given us direction on.” Yet a few days ago they just put out a letter saying they no longer require VAXX for theocratic schools. The requirements for those in special service were extremely strong. We could write a novel on this subject, but not now. We knew something was seriously wrong and this allowed us to give ourselves permission to research other things. We believe that if it is truth, it should be able to withstand scrutiny. The ARC was especially powerful. One of us has had this experience personally and believed it was a rare or not a common occurrence. Well, one of us sat and watched the whole thing straight with tears, hurt and anger and the other saw enough to know this is not Jehovah’s direction and knew what their spouse had been through. The husband stepped away from his position and would love to have unloaded but couldn’t. We also downloaded the court documents from the ARC. We are forever grateful to the ARC and even Geoffrey Jackson for showing who he really is as well as where the GB and WT stands.

The ARC led to the rabbit hole and while trying to fade finally during a zoom one of us stood up (after a ridiculous comment by an elder who has to talk about the VAXX still), and said I can’t do this anymore! So, in our own way though already we had started slowly fading for a year (at a snails pace), we stepped it up and though still connected we are hanging in barely for our parents and cannot fully detach at this time. You will understand later and it KILLS us to feel like we are living a double life. We still love God and believe Jesus is our mediator! Yes, we didn’t even realize the GB had taken that upon themselves. We need an outlet to speak more freely and with those who still have faith, though we do not judge anyone who has lost theirs. Its amazing anyone still has any faith after all we have seen. So, we believe each person can choose their own path as we want to walk on our own path. It has been a difficult, painful process, but we are in a better place now. We need friends with whom we can communicate freely. There are things we appreciate as JWs brought us to each other and helped us with other things, but this org is not directed by Jehovah in our opinion. As Jesus said: “You will recognize them by their fruits.” We have been reading the bible without the WT lens and are enjoying it.

Additional comments:
  • Regarding cart witnessing- actually, yes it has been effective in some areas and that is why they are doing it. We personally started studies, Rv’s and know of many who returned to the org from it.
  • Cart Crashing- you can do what you want but know it just re-reinforces in their minds persecution for the sake of Jah and they shut down their minds. Maybe ask a simple question and do not act like you know more than them as you know they think they know everything and honestly, we use to be those people.
  • Hawaii dress code: yes, last fall they allowed for Brothers to wear Aloha shirts even during conventions due to the “culture”. Instructed not to post on social media.
  • We are constantly reminding ourselves we were those people and to have grace as we know ones who are questioning, but don’t know if they will ever do anything about it. We are trying to be compassionate to the R&F as so many just don’t know. We have both been baptized between 30—40 yrs
  • They are reaching out to see where people stand and following up on inactive ones. We are preparing ourselves.
Thank you for bearing with this introduction and in the future will try to keep comments shorter. We have a lot bottled up inside and are keeping our identities and location private for now. Again, thank you for letting us be here. Side note…we have spent time on this site plenty of times while in service and meetings to keep sane! You all are so brave and courageous! We are fully aware we are blessed to at least have each other to talk about these matters. We love you all!
 

Sutterhome

Active member
We are a married couple who have been lurking on here for a couple of years. We are fortunate enough to both have woken up together. It has been a process and are still somewhat in due to caretaking for elderly parents. One seems to be PIMQ giving us hope. We have a lot to say but for now will keep it to an overview. This is the first online platform or outside online forum we discovered and really helped open our eyes.

We are thankful to Robert for having created this space for us to have a place to finally speak.

This is the first time we are speaking out. We have wanted to for a while and finally allowing ourselves to do so. Everyone has their reasons and pace and we will not encourage anyone to go any particular route. Everyone has to go at their own pace for their own reasons and if there is anything we have learned now it is not to judge others and to show more love. We were die hard pimi’s. We both have had “special privileges/titles” for many decades.

There are things we have read on some posts and we can answer some questions.

What woke us up? VAXX pressure. The absolute insanity and pressure to encourage people to take the VAXX which is a personal medical decision was beyond distressing. We do not say that lightly. The ENORMOUS pressure and HORRIBLE statements it allowed the “brothers and sisters” to say were beyond hurtful and unloving. In time, hopefully we can explain more, but for now know we are still seeing double talk. This weekend’s current one-day program with the branch representative literally said “…with health issues , how sad it was to see that even simple matters of public health such as wearing masks or hand washing or physical distancing or vaxxs, those things became controversial , even political, but those are all things Jehovah has given us direction on.” Yet a few days ago they just put out a letter saying they no longer require VAXX for theocratic schools. The requirements for those in special service were extremely strong. We could write a novel on this subject, but not now. We knew something was seriously wrong and this allowed us to give ourselves permission to research other things. We believe that if it is truth, it should be able to withstand scrutiny. The ARC was especially powerful. One of us has had this experience personally and believed it was a rare or not a common occurrence. Well, one of us sat and watched the whole thing straight with tears, hurt and anger and the other saw enough to know this is not Jehovah’s direction and knew what their spouse had been through. The husband stepped away from his position and would love to have unloaded but couldn’t. We also downloaded the court documents from the ARC. We are forever grateful to the ARC and even Geoffrey Jackson for showing who he really is as well as where the GB and WT stands.

The ARC led to the rabbit hole and while trying to fade finally during a zoom one of us stood up (after a ridiculous comment by an elder who has to talk about the VAXX still), and said I can’t do this anymore! So, in our own way though already we had started slowly fading for a year (at a snails pace), we stepped it up and though still connected we are hanging in barely for our parents and cannot fully detach at this time. You will understand later and it KILLS us to feel like we are living a double life. We still love God and believe Jesus is our mediator! Yes, we didn’t even realize the GB had taken that upon themselves. We need an outlet to speak more freely and with those who still have faith, though we do not judge anyone who has lost theirs. Its amazing anyone still has any faith after all we have seen. So, we believe each person can choose their own path as we want to walk on our own path. It has been a difficult, painful process, but we are in a better place now. We need friends with whom we can communicate freely. There are things we appreciate as JWs brought us to each other and helped us with other things, but this org is not directed by Jehovah in our opinion. As Jesus said: “You will recognize them by their fruits.” We have been reading the bible without the WT lens and are enjoying it.

Additional comments:
  • Regarding cart witnessing- actually, yes it has been effective in some areas and that is why they are doing it. We personally started studies, Rv’s and know of many who returned to the org from it.
  • Cart Crashing- you can do what you want but know it just re-reinforces in their minds persecution for the sake of Jah and they shut down their minds. Maybe ask a simple question and do not act like you know more than them as you know they think they know everything and honestly, we use to be those people.
  • Hawaii dress code: yes, last fall they allowed for Brothers to wear Aloha shirts even during conventions due to the “culture”. Instructed not to post on social media.
  • We are constantly reminding ourselves we were those people and to have grace as we know ones who are questioning, but don’t know if they will ever do anything about it. We are trying to be compassionate to the R&F as so many just don’t know. We have both been baptized between 30—40 yrs
  • They are reaching out to see where people stand and following up on inactive ones. We are preparing ourselves.
Thank you for bearing with this introduction and in the future will try to keep comments shorter. We have a lot bottled up inside and are keeping our identities and location private for now. Again, thank you for letting us be here. Side note…we have spent time on this site plenty of times while in service and meetings to keep sane! You all are so brave and courageous! We are fully aware we are blessed to at least have each other to talk about these matters. We love you all!
This is my family's same exact story.
Same. Exact. Story.

The V mandates were the tipping point. We knew the harm they could do and were shocked they were claiming they were from Jah.
 

Medi-tator

Well-known member
We are a married couple who have been lurking on here for a couple of years. We are fortunate enough to both have woken up together. It has been a process and are still somewhat in due to caretaking for elderly parents. One seems to be PIMQ giving us hope. We have a lot to say but for now will keep it to an overview. This is the first online platform or outside online forum we discovered and really helped open our eyes.

We are thankful to Robert for having created this space for us to have a place to finally speak.

This is the first time we are speaking out. We have wanted to for a while and finally allowing ourselves to do so. Everyone has their reasons and pace and we will not encourage anyone to go any particular route. Everyone has to go at their own pace for their own reasons and if there is anything we have learned now it is not to judge others and to show more love. We were die hard pimi’s. We both have had “special privileges/titles” for many decades.

There are things we have read on some posts and we can answer some questions.

What woke us up? VAXX pressure. The absolute insanity and pressure to encourage people to take the VAXX which is a personal medical decision was beyond distressing. We do not say that lightly. The ENORMOUS pressure and HORRIBLE statements it allowed the “brothers and sisters” to say were beyond hurtful and unloving. In time, hopefully we can explain more, but for now know we are still seeing double talk. This weekend’s current one-day program with the branch representative literally said “…with health issues , how sad it was to see that even simple matters of public health such as wearing masks or hand washing or physical distancing or vaxxs, those things became controversial , even political, but those are all things Jehovah has given us direction on.” Yet a few days ago they just put out a letter saying they no longer require VAXX for theocratic schools. The requirements for those in special service were extremely strong. We could write a novel on this subject, but not now. We knew something was seriously wrong and this allowed us to give ourselves permission to research other things. We believe that if it is truth, it should be able to withstand scrutiny. The ARC was especially powerful. One of us has had this experience personally and believed it was a rare or not a common occurrence. Well, one of us sat and watched the whole thing straight with tears, hurt and anger and the other saw enough to know this is not Jehovah’s direction and knew what their spouse had been through. The husband stepped away from his position and would love to have unloaded but couldn’t. We also downloaded the court documents from the ARC. We are forever grateful to the ARC and even Geoffrey Jackson for showing who he really is as well as where the GB and WT stands.

The ARC led to the rabbit hole and while trying to fade finally during a zoom one of us stood up (after a ridiculous comment by an elder who has to talk about the VAXX still), and said I can’t do this anymore! So, in our own way though already we had started slowly fading for a year (at a snails pace), we stepped it up and though still connected we are hanging in barely for our parents and cannot fully detach at this time. You will understand later and it KILLS us to feel like we are living a double life. We still love God and believe Jesus is our mediator! Yes, we didn’t even realize the GB had taken that upon themselves. We need an outlet to speak more freely and with those who still have faith, though we do not judge anyone who has lost theirs. Its amazing anyone still has any faith after all we have seen. So, we believe each person can choose their own path as we want to walk on our own path. It has been a difficult, painful process, but we are in a better place now. We need friends with whom we can communicate freely. There are things we appreciate as JWs brought us to each other and helped us with other things, but this org is not directed by Jehovah in our opinion. As Jesus said: “You will recognize them by their fruits.” We have been reading the bible without the WT lens and are enjoying it.

Additional comments:
  • Regarding cart witnessing- actually, yes it has been effective in some areas and that is why they are doing it. We personally started studies, Rv’s and know of many who returned to the org from it.
  • Cart Crashing- you can do what you want but know it just re-reinforces in their minds persecution for the sake of Jah and they shut down their minds. Maybe ask a simple question and do not act like you know more than them as you know they think they know everything and honestly, we use to be those people.
  • Hawaii dress code: yes, last fall they allowed for Brothers to wear Aloha shirts even during conventions due to the “culture”. Instructed not to post on social media.
  • We are constantly reminding ourselves we were those people and to have grace as we know ones who are questioning, but don’t know if they will ever do anything about it. We are trying to be compassionate to the R&F as so many just don’t know. We have both been baptized between 30—40 yrs
  • They are reaching out to see where people stand and following up on inactive ones. We are preparing ourselves.
Thank you for bearing with this introduction and in the future will try to keep comments shorter. We have a lot bottled up inside and are keeping our identities and location private for now. Again, thank you for letting us be here. Side note…we have spent time on this site plenty of times while in service and meetings to keep sane! You all are so brave and courageous! We are fully aware we are blessed to at least have each other to talk about these matters. We love you all!
Welcome @Wide Awake! Great intro! Really looking forward to associating with you two and hearing your comments moving forward.
 

Seadog

Well-known member
We are a married couple who have been lurking on here for a couple of years. We are fortunate enough to both have woken up together. It has been a process and are still somewhat in due to caretaking for elderly parents. One seems to be PIMQ giving us hope. We have a lot to say but for now will keep it to an overview. This is the first online platform or outside online forum we discovered and really helped open our eyes.

We are thankful to Robert for having created this space for us to have a place to finally speak.

This is the first time we are speaking out. We have wanted to for a while and finally allowing ourselves to do so. Everyone has their reasons and pace and we will not encourage anyone to go any particular route. Everyone has to go at their own pace for their own reasons and if there is anything we have learned now it is not to judge others and to show more love. We were die hard pimi’s. We both have had “special privileges/titles” for many decades.

There are things we have read on some posts and we can answer some questions.

What woke us up? VAXX pressure. The absolute insanity and pressure to encourage people to take the VAXX which is a personal medical decision was beyond distressing. We do not say that lightly. The ENORMOUS pressure and HORRIBLE statements it allowed the “brothers and sisters” to say were beyond hurtful and unloving. In time, hopefully we can explain more, but for now know we are still seeing double talk. This weekend’s current one-day program with the branch representative literally said “…with health issues , how sad it was to see that even simple matters of public health such as wearing masks or hand washing or physical distancing or vaxxs, those things became controversial , even political, but those are all things Jehovah has given us direction on.” Yet a few days ago they just put out a letter saying they no longer require VAXX for theocratic schools. The requirements for those in special service were extremely strong. We could write a novel on this subject, but not now. We knew something was seriously wrong and this allowed us to give ourselves permission to research other things. We believe that if it is truth, it should be able to withstand scrutiny. The ARC was especially powerful. One of us has had this experience personally and believed it was a rare or not a common occurrence. Well, one of us sat and watched the whole thing straight with tears, hurt and anger and the other saw enough to know this is not Jehovah’s direction and knew what their spouse had been through. The husband stepped away from his position and would love to have unloaded but couldn’t. We also downloaded the court documents from the ARC. We are forever grateful to the ARC and even Geoffrey Jackson for showing who he really is as well as where the GB and WT stands.

The ARC led to the rabbit hole and while trying to fade finally during a zoom one of us stood up (after a ridiculous comment by an elder who has to talk about the VAXX still), and said I can’t do this anymore! So, in our own way though already we had started slowly fading for a year (at a snails pace), we stepped it up and though still connected we are hanging in barely for our parents and cannot fully detach at this time. You will understand later and it KILLS us to feel like we are living a double life. We still love God and believe Jesus is our mediator! Yes, we didn’t even realize the GB had taken that upon themselves. We need an outlet to speak more freely and with those who still have faith, though we do not judge anyone who has lost theirs. Its amazing anyone still has any faith after all we have seen. So, we believe each person can choose their own path as we want to walk on our own path. It has been a difficult, painful process, but we are in a better place now. We need friends with whom we can communicate freely. There are things we appreciate as JWs brought us to each other and helped us with other things, but this org is not directed by Jehovah in our opinion. As Jesus said: “You will recognize them by their fruits.” We have been reading the bible without the WT lens and are enjoying it.

Additional comments:
  • Regarding cart witnessing- actually, yes it has been effective in some areas and that is why they are doing it. We personally started studies, Rv’s and know of many who returned to the org from it.
  • Cart Crashing- you can do what you want but know it just re-reinforces in their minds persecution for the sake of Jah and they shut down their minds. Maybe ask a simple question and do not act like you know more than them as you know they think they know everything and honestly, we use to be those people.
  • Hawaii dress code: yes, last fall they allowed for Brothers to wear Aloha shirts even during conventions due to the “culture”. Instructed not to post on social media.
  • We are constantly reminding ourselves we were those people and to have grace as we know ones who are questioning, but don’t know if they will ever do anything about it. We are trying to be compassionate to the R&F as so many just don’t know. We have both been baptized between 30—40 yrs
  • They are reaching out to see where people stand and following up on inactive ones. We are preparing ourselves.
Thank you for bearing with this introduction and in the future will try to keep comments shorter. We have a lot bottled up inside and are keeping our identities and location private for now. Again, thank you for letting us be here. Side note…we have spent time on this site plenty of times while in service and meetings to keep sane! You all are so brave and courageous! We are fully aware we are blessed to at least have each other to talk about these matters. We love you all!
Hi there and well done communicating your fears and tears Wide Awake!
Your path is becoming a worn trail I feel. There are heaps of us here jolted awake by GB bad behaviour.
For myself I was thinking here I am working for the King and nothing was going to make me lose focus and I was correct-----
All that and here I am reading the forum every day with my faith in Jehovah and Jesus still intact only with a much more sane reality in view.
Well Done!!
 

Wide Awake

Well-known member
This is my family's same exact story.
Same. Exact. Story.

The V mandates were the tipping point. We knew the harm they could do and were shocked they were claiming they were from Jah.
Yes, we have known several injured very close to us (still suffering). We have known others who suddenly have had terminal cancer and died out of no where at young ages (both in their early 40’s). One was an extended family member. Others too. Bloodguilt is how we see it.

But if someone chose to do it, that is their choice. It was the pressure put on people making them feel obligated to be ‘obedient’ that bothers us.
 

KingdomLeast

Well-known member
What woke us up? VAXX pressure. The absolute insanity and pressure to encourage people to take the VAXX which is a personal medical decision was beyond distressing.
I don't get it. The Society has always "encouraged" their members on medical decisions. Organ transplants were forbidden, it was considered cannibalism. Blood transfusions are forbidden, and yet through the years they've made so many changes that pretty soon, taking blood will be a conscience issue. Have you ever read all the medical quackery that was published in the Golden Age magazine in the 20s, 30s and 40s?
 

Wide Awake

Well-known member
I don't get it. The Society has always "encouraged" their members on medical decisions. Organ transplants were forbidden, it was considered cannibalism. Blood transfusions are forbidden, and yet through the years they've made so many changes that pretty soon, taking blood will be a conscience issue. Have you ever read all the medical quackery that was published in the Golden Age magazine in the 20s, 30s and 40s?
Me too😀
Thank you
 

Citrine

Well-known member
Wide Awake thank you for your experience. As you’ve probably already read my husband and I are here squarely due to the GB and the vax push that quickly escalated to ”OMG they’re UN loving, pedo hiding, money grubbing, satanist employing, Masonic ring flashing, Jesus replacing, Bible twisting, life sucking cult leaders!” But I digress, all in due time.
Am I understanding correctly that the RECENT assembly speaker stated the vax was the right direction?? And in regards to the dress code letter may I ask why you can’t post it? You can block any person info on it.
 

Wide Awake

Well-known member
Wide Awake thank you for your experience. As you’ve probably already read my husband and I are here squarely due to the GB and the vax push that quickly escalated to ”OMG they’re UN loving, pedo hiding, money grubbing, satanist employing, Masonic ring flashing, Jesus replacing, Bible twisting, life sucking cult leaders!” But I digress, all in due time.
Am I understanding correctly that the RECENT assembly speaker stated the vax was the right direction?? And in regards to the dress code letter may I ask why you can’t post it? You can block any person info on it.
Yes, the branch representative specifically said the words we wrote that are quoted in bold in our introduction only they used the full word for Vaxxs and said its was "all things Jehovah has given us direction on". We feel it’s BLASPHEMOUS!

We don’t know how all of this works yet, but understand that word (VAXX) can get some booted off platforms. And, yes we have read your posts! Your posts helped confirm much of what we saw happening. We are grateful to you!

We also have heard they are really going after people with the leaked documents and promised the one who gave it to us we would not post.
We want to honor their request and stay true to our word. Is there a way to email on this site privately? We would love to chat with you.
We are just learning how to work this site.
 

Wide Awake

Well-known member
I love love your post! I hung on your every word. Your post just made my day!! Can you share how you found this forum? I look forward to your comments. Hugs to you both ❤️
Thank you so much! We have read many of your posts too which have been so helpful! Really everyone is helping in their own way to help others and we are truly grateful.

One day in zoom service, I was so irritated by the craziness and searched ( while between writing letters) about the VAXX and JW’s and somehow saw this forum. The most productive day in service in 2 years! I then shared with my spouse.
 

Citrine

Well-known member
That is shocking they are still pushing the vax as direction from God even with all the known injuries and deaths! They are beyond blasphemous at this point! I’ve made it no secret I view the GB as murderers and how do you deal with murderers? You put them in chains and punish them for their crimes!
And yes using certain key words can get you booted off certain platforms but so far we seem safe on here in that regard. I’ve just gotten so used to speaking in code for my business but either way.
Totally understand keeping your word and no worries, you’ll be a pro on here in no time! 😉
 
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kenmuldoon55

Well-known member
Yes, the branch representative specifically said the words we wrote that are quoted in bold in our introduction only they used the full word for Vaxxs and said its was "all things Jehovah has given us direction on". We feel it’s BLASPHEMOUS!

We don’t know how all of this works yet, but understand that word (VAXX) can get some booted off platforms. And, yes we have read your posts! Your posts helped confirm much of what we saw happening. We are grateful to you!

We also have heard they are really going after people with the leaked documents and promised the one who gave it to us we would not post.
We want to honor their request and stay true to our word. Is there a way to email on this site privately? We would love to chat with you.
We are just learning how to work this site.
Envelope icon above.
 

Nomex

Well-known member
but those are all things Jehovah has given us direction on.”
I know I have said this, maybe you've seen me post this if you have been lurking, but my question is very simple, if Jehovah was giving them direction, then who was giving the world direction since it was IDENTICAL!!!! It's the biggest of all the lies IMO! and the most egregious and blasphemous. And I'll say this again also, Jehovah provided mankind with a perfect immune system, and when Jehovah "provides" something it won't be with a vaccine, even one that works, let alone this death shot. And to pile on the blasphemy, if Jehovah had provided a vaccine that worked, that means he would be helping Satan! Jehovah would have to literally sin against his own Holy Spirirt, because giving Satan's system and or governments aid especially intentionally, is the definition of sinning against the Holy Spirit.
 

Citrine

Well-known member
I know I have said this, maybe you've seen me post this if you have been lurking, but my question is very simple, if Jehovah was giving them direction, then who was giving the world direction since it was IDENTICAL!!!! It's the biggest of all the lies IMO! and the most egregious and blasphemous. And I'll say this again also, Jehovah provided mankind with a perfect immune system, and when Jehovah "provides" something it won't be with a vaccine, even one that works, let alone this death shot. And to pile on the blasphemy, if Jehovah had provided a vaccine that worked, that means he would be helping Satan! Jehovah would have to literally sin against his own Holy Spirirt, because giving Satan's system and or governments aid especially intentionally, is the definition of sinning against the Holy Spirit.
Oh it goes beyond that! The GB had the audacity to publish WT study articles praising themselves and their god given insight! Can you imagine sitting in the KH with the poison jab coursing through your body and having to regurgitate praise for the very men that pressured you to poison yourself?! I’ve never wanted hell 🔥 to be real until these last few years!
 
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