Our first time speaking out and experience!

Watchman said:
I have mentioned it elsewhere, but it bears repeating. Having gone over all the Hebrew prophecies and directed what seemed applicable to the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses, before the vax mandate I had understood that the blood guilt which Jehovah indicts the shepherds for had been metaphoric. I had assumed that God considered stumbling his sheep was why he stated in numerous places that they are murderers. Now, unfortunately, I realize it is quite literal.

Welcome to the forum Wide-Awake

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Monday, September 13 Everyone proud in heart is detestable to Jehovah. —Prov. 16:5. Elders work hard for the benefit of their brothers and sisters. And they do not let their authority make them unduly proud.
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Can I ask a question on the “guilt“ issue? I ask it because judgement is definitive about guilt but there is leeway both scripturally and morally as to responsibility. We speak a good deal about watchtower and certainly, they had no right to put pressure upon the sheep about their medical decision making. Certainly their interference and motives are in a person‘s private affairs is echoed horrendously through their dealings with abuse victims within their assumed remit.

The question then is, are they aware of and were they aware beforehand, that the vaccination could be lethal? The question has some relevance if we are to assume an opinion of judgement: are they victims of their own isolation? If millions of witnesses believed that the vaccine was a “gift” of Jehovah, could this not also be the case with the deluded channel? They are blind and deaf are they not, just as much as the sheep. And were we not the same at one time? Is there really malice aforethought in this and are they deliberate in their blood guilt, or simply negligent through ignorance. Paul was off to murder the apostles was he not? I just wonder at times when I reflect on what I was like as a witness - so certain, so deceived, so ignorant as to the reality.
 
Jim said:
My friend confided that she had been having seizures after her second Pfizer genetic therapy product (GTP). I was speaking to her on a Friday night in October of 2022. We hadn't seen each other for a while and were looking forward to meeting up at a retirement party. She was found dead in her bed the following Wednesday. Another friend of mine is very angry. She developed deep vein thrombosis (clots) and has had to have surgeries. She knows exactly what caused her issues. Even her vein doctor (whatever you call them) indicated that it was highly likely it was the jab. A retired co-worker of mine went suddenly and almost completely deaf a day after the second jab. Whatever the doc's are doing is working though. Much of his hearing is restored. My old manager complained of brain fog. Another co-worker still has pain in his legs after second jab from over a year ago. I know of others having issues, but it is all second hand, so I won't relate them here. HOW IS IT POSSIBLE for me who has a very small circle of friends and associates know so many affected by this? I am glad I waited to see how the jab might affect others before making my decision. Never got it.
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It is disturbing and sad isn't it. We have also seen many sudden heart attacks, strokes, high levels of inflammation and clots too. Many people aren't connecting the dots. We are so sorry to hear about your friend who died and the others who are suffering from it. Thank you for sharing!
 
Watchman said:
I have mentioned it elsewhere, but it bears repeating. Having gone over all the Hebrew prophecies and directed what seemed applicable to the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses, before the vax mandate I had understood that the blood guilt which Jehovah indicts the shepherds for had been metaphoric. I had assumed that God considered stumbling his sheep was why he stated in numerous places that they are murderers. Now, unfortunately, I realize it is quite literal.

Welcome to the forum Wide-Awake

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Your hands are filled with blood

Monday, September 13 Everyone proud in heart is detestable to Jehovah. —Prov. 16:5. Elders work hard for the benefit of their brothers and sisters. And they do not let their authority make them unduly proud.
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Thank you Robert! We appreciate the forum you have created!
 
Ana said:
Bienvenidos!!! Estos hilos cada vez me emocionan más. Se llega después de un gran fiasco y todos aquí podemos entender lo que se siente después de la gran decepción. Es como un gran duelo, me alegra que hoy en día exista este foro para los que ven lo que hay detrás del velo que Jehová ha permitido. Es algo que aún me pregunto, porque yo tengo el privilegio de ver más allá de ese velo? Que bendición tenemos aquí!! Un fuerte abrazo desde España y si, os voy a hacer trabajar y sacar el traductor!! Pero el amor es grande!!!💙
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Translation: Welcome!!! These threads excite me more and more. It comes after a great fiasco and everyone here can understand what it feels like after the great disappointment. It's like a great mourning, I'm glad that today there is this forum for those who see what is behind the veil that Jehovah has allowed. It's something I still wonder, because I have the privilege of seeing beyond that veil? What a blessing we have here!! A big hug from Spain and yes, I'm going to make you work and get the translator!! But love is great!!! 💙
 
Ms_ladyblue said:
Welcome @Wide Awake to the forum. I wanted to cry after reading your story. You could never have too much to say about yourselves here. Most of us can relate. The vax is what did it for us too. But shortly thereafter I lost my husband of 38 years and have had to go through this alone. Now, for two years my daughter, still a witness has nothing to do with me because I questioned the GB.
So I can imagine the pain and heartache of your experience. However, we still keep our faith in Jah and Jesus intact. That’s what matters most. The Bible says that mere men cannot save us. Many of the friends are doing what Jesus warned us about…”Blind guides is what they are. If, then, a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
Sad to say but this is what they’ll have to be faced with if they don’t wake up.
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We remember you had lost your husband during this time and can't imagine what you must have had to go through on your own dealing with all the nonsense. Your love for Jehovah is evident! Yes, we do hope your daughter and really everyone wakes up.
We can't recall for sure, but were you the one who had their voice commenting on a small documentary that came out a while back? We enjoyed watching it as we knew could hear voices saying what we were feeling.
We know that this is not Jehovah's fault and are in constant prayer and reading the bible to keep us strengthened. This forum was the association we needed. We have not found anyone we can FULLY be open with as of yet.
Thank you for your welcoming us to the forum!
 
Wide Awake said:
We remember you had lost your husband during this time and can't imagine what you must have had to go through on your own dealing with all the nonsense. Your love for Jehovah is evident! Yes, we do hope your daughter and really everyone wakes up.
We can't recall for sure, but were you the one who had their voice commenting on a small documentary that came out a while back? We enjoyed watching it as we knew could hear voices saying what we were feeling.
We know that this is not Jehovah's fault and are in constant prayer and reading the bible to keep us strengthened. This forum was the association we needed. We have not found anyone we can FULLY be open with as of yet.
Thank you for your welcoming us to the forum!
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Thank you for your kind words Wide Awake. I look forward to your comments and certainly know that you will fit right in on this forum of a small crowd. So happy you both can be here for encouragement. There is truly love among the friends here.

To answer your question, yes, that was my voice on the documentary from awhile back. Glad you enjoyed it. A lot had to be said about the brother’s handling of everything surrounding the so called pandemic.

We’re all going through a healing process. Jehovah will help us. Love you both. ❤️
 
Wide Awake said:
Mucho gusto¡Gracias por sus pensamientos! ¡España es un país precioso! ¡Las decisiones importantes de la vida se tomaron en las playas de España para uno de nosotros! ¡Hemos visto mucho de lo que está pasando en España en particular! ¡Nosotros también nos sentimos bendecidos! ¡Ha sido una montaña rusa emocional, por decir lo menos! ¡Nos alegra que se haya puesto en contacto con nosotros y esperamos más comentarios! Agradecemos su amabilidad! 🥰
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Translation: Nice to meet you. Thank you for your thoughts! Spain is a beautiful country! The important decisions of life were made on the beaches of Spain for one of us! We have seen a lot of what is happening in Spain in particular! We also feel blessed! It has been an emotional roller coaster, to say the least! We are glad that you have contacted us and we are waiting for more comments! We appreciate your kindness! 🥰
Ana said:
No dudéis en avisar si volvéis a sus playas, vivimos en ellas. Por desgracia ya nada de lo que podamos ver nos sorprende, en el declive hay montañas rusas para unos, pasajes del terror para otros, algunos terminan muy golpeados de los autos de choque...y aún queda la gran explosión cuando bajen todos desde el cielo a la fiesta maligna. Vamos a coger fuerzas aunque sea un poco de tiempo antes de eso. No falta mucho y nos vendrá a todos bien saber que compartimos una fe renovada, de la que más adelante seremos testigos con más
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Translation: Do not hesitate to let us know if you return to their beaches, we live on them. Unfortunately nothing we can see surprises us anymore, in the decline there are roller coasters for some, passages of terror for others, some end up very beaten by the bumper cars ... and there is still the great explosion when everyone goes down from the sky to the evil party. Let's gain strength even a little time before that. There is not much left and it will be good for us all to know that we share a renewed faith, which we will later witness with more
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Can I ask a question on the “guilt“ issue? I ask it because judgement is definitive about guilt but there is leeway both scripturally and morally as to responsibility. We speak a good deal about watchtower and certainly, they had no right to put pressure upon the sheep about their medical decision making. Certainly their interference and motives are in a person‘s private affairs is echoed horrendously through their dealings with abuse victims within their assumed remit.

The question then is, are they aware of and were they aware beforehand, that the vaccination could be lethal? The question has some relevance if we are to assume an opinion of judgement: are they victims of their own isolation? If millions of witnesses believed that the vaccine was a “gift” of Jehovah, could this not also be the case with the deluded channel? They are blind and deaf are they not, just as much as the sheep. And were we not the same at one time? Is there really malice aforethought in this and are they deliberate in their blood guilt, or simply negligent through ignorance. Paul was off to murder the apostles was he not? I just wonder at times when I reflect on what I was like as a witness - so certain, so deceived, so ignorant as to the reality.
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They sowed division in the congregations. So much for the "Precious Unity" Gerrit Losch likes to repeat ad nauseum. Maybe the GB should disfellowship themselves.
 
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Jim said:
They sowed division in the congregations. So much for the "Precious Unity" Gerrit Losch likes to repeat ad nauseum regarding OUR compliance. Maybe the GB should disfellowship themselves.
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His GB update #7 in 2021 comparing Naaman's leprosy "cure" in the Jordan to the Vaxx as if from God was the one that helped us see the blasphemous direction being given. BTW he is not a fan of football at ALL, so maybe he had something to do with all of the carts at superbowl? Just sayin'
And having only met him once at the hall where he gave a talk, he was less than personable.
 
Wide Awake said:
His GB update #7 in 2021 comparing Naaman's leprosy "cure" in the Jordan to the Vaxx as if from God was the one that helped us see the blasphemous direction being given. BTW he is not a fan of football at ALL, so maybe he had something to do with all of the carts at superbowl? Just sayin'
And having only met him once at the hall where he gave a talk, he was less than personable.
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I almost deleted my post. It wasn't in a very good spirit. I need to get over myself. Still miffed on how I was treated for refusing to participate in this Gene Therapy Product (GTP) experiment. I was shunned by my very own parents. For TWO D*MN YEARS I couldn't see my parents. My aunt refused to see me as well. All witnesses. And my overweight, day drinking junk food eating cousin soft mocked me for not getting poked and taking vitamins instead. Never mind that I am the healthiest most health conscience person in my entire family and never got the crud that the pokey poked did! Yeah, maybe I should talk to Dr. Phil to figure out how to let it go.
 
Soul Sage said:
The pandemic caused more people to be aware (at least some of us) that this earthly organization is not perfect. Just like Israel was not perfect even though they had a big part in keeping God's word alive. There was nothing biblical about taking a genetically modified substance in your bloodstream. It's supposed to be sacred, your body is like a temple.
There was no problem with directions on staying clean. I washed my hands often. And masks don't work. That's surface level thinking to believe they do. When you actually study about masks, you find out that masks collect bacteria and dirt and many people would reuse those same masks and keep them on, they would collect bacteria on them and that could make them sick. It also handicaps your breathing in fresh air, which actually makes your immune system worse, the less fresh air you take in. Especially for hours at a time. I remember being forced to wear a mask during certain events for a few hours and I would feel worse and irritable because my body was reacting to the poor breathing I had when wearing that mask for hours.
Anyone can try this themselves in an accelerated way. Try doing intense exercises while wearing a mask and you'll later realize you feel like you might be getting sick or you feel bad internally. Well congratulations, you just made your immune system weaker. That's why I was against masks, it was obvious!
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Yes! My jaw dropped when Gerrit Losch, one of the GB members compared wearing masks to sneezing into a handkerchief 🤢 that was the first time I started thinking he was "losing it" 😶
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Can I ask a question on the “guilt“ issue? I ask it because judgement is definitive about guilt but there is leeway both scripturally and morally as to responsibility. We speak a good deal about watchtower and certainly, they had no right to put pressure upon the sheep about their medical decision making. Certainly their interference and motives are in a person‘s private affairs is echoed horrendously through their dealings with abuse victims within their assumed remit.

The question then is, are they aware of and were they aware beforehand, that the vaccination could be lethal? The question has some relevance if we are to assume an opinion of judgement: are they victims of their own isolation? If millions of witnesses believed that the vaccine was a “gift” of Jehovah, could this not also be the case with the deluded channel? They are blind and deaf are they not, just as much as the sheep. And were we not the same at one time? Is there really malice aforethought in this and are they deliberate in their blood guilt, or simply negligent through ignorance. Paul was off to murder the apostles was he not? I just wonder at times when I reflect on what I was like as a witness - so certain, so deceived, so ignorant as to the reality.
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BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Can I ask a question on the “guilt“ issue? I ask it because judgement is definitive about guilt but there is leeway both scripturally and morally as to responsibility. We speak a good deal about watchtower and certainly, they had no right to put pressure upon the sheep about their medical decision making. Certainly their interference and motives are in a person‘s private affairs is echoed horrendously through their dealings with abuse victims within their assumed remit.

The question then is, are they aware of and were they aware beforehand, that the vaccination could be lethal? The question has some relevance if we are to assume an opinion of judgement: are they victims of their own isolation? If millions of witnesses believed that the vaccine was a “gift” of Jehovah, could this not also be the case with the deluded channel? They are blind and deaf are they not, just as much as the sheep. And were we not the same at one time? Is there really malice aforethought in this and are they deliberate in their blood guilt, or simply negligent through ignorance. Paul was off to murder the apostles was he not? I just wonder at times when I reflect on what I was like as a witness - so certain, so deceived, so ignorant as to the reality.
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In my experience over the past 37yrs they have been the "kings" of research, learning far more about everything and anything than a regular person. Don't forget they were associated with the UN for 10yrs too, they would have been expecting the plandemic and everything for sure. It didn't take me more than a few hours to research the injections etc
 
Wide Awake said:
His GB update #7 in 2021 comparing Naaman's leprosy "cure" in the Jordan to the Vaxx as if from God was the one that helped us see the blasphemous direction being given. BTW he is not a fan of football at ALL, so maybe he had something to do with all of the carts at superbowl? Just sayin'
And having only met him once at the hall where he gave a talk, he was less than personable.
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And he compared wearing a mask to sneezing into a handkerchief 🤢 mad!!
 
Proverbs 14 v 15 said:
Yes! My jaw dropped when Gerrit Losch, one of the GB members compared wearing masks to sneezing into a handkerchief 🤢 that was the first time I started thinking he was "losing it" 😶


In my experience over the past 37yrs they have been the "kings" of research, learning far more about everything and anything than a regular person. Don't forget they were associated with the UN for 10yrs too, they would have been expecting the plandemic and everything for sure. It didn't take me more than a few hours to research the injections etc
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In my experience over the past 37yrs they have been the "kings" of research, learning far more about everything and anything than a regular person.

This 👆right here! They made a point in a previous broadcast to brag about how they spent two years researching the accuracy of a Roman guards belt buckle for an article. TWO YEARS ON A G.D. BELT BUCKLE! Then they suddenly can’t research the safety of the openly experimental vx before they push it on 8 million followers! I’m sorry they don’t get a pass, no excuses, they are guilty!
 
StopTheInsanity said:
For you and anyone else who needs to hear this: Jehovah is going to heal ALL of the injured, bind up the broken hearted, and resurrect all those who died.

The only "good" that can come from this is that at least they died and won't have to go through the "fun" that awaits the rest of us. :rolleyes:

We are the "300 men" that are left with Gideon. Jehovah has seen something in all of us that he knows he can work with: be it faith, discernment, whatever.

But, as painful as this all has been, it WILL be made right again and we WILL be smiling and light-hearted again. We MUST believe that. If nothing else, don't ever let these scoundrels take your faith. Jehovah didn't do this; wicked and decietful men did this and as always, Jehovah warned us that about them and Christ told us that there would be wolves in sheeps clothing and that people would be stumbled and that people would betray us but we didn't fully understand because WT didn't explain it to us because WT WAS GOING TO BE THE ONE TO DO IT TO US so why would they warn us????

The apostles didn't fully understand everything about how and why Christ was going to die, and they were stumbled, but after his resurrection, they understood all things and were BOLD for Jehovah.

So here we all are.
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Thankyou for those words, they made me feel so much better, everything you said is so right..
 
Soul Sage said:
Yes, great bible application. The 300 men were chosen because even if they were part of the army of Gideon as their leader, they were still very cautious about their surroundings. They didn't let their guard down when drinking water just cause Gideon was anointed over them. Same can be said about the GB. I don't let my guard down just because the GB may say so. I still stay cautious.
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Yes, Jesus said to Keep on the Watch, and the GB did not do that at all..
 
Citrine said:
In my experience over the past 37yrs they have been the "kings" of research, learning far more about everything and anything than a regular person.

This 👆right here! They made a point in a previous broadcast to brag about how they spent two years researching the accuracy of a Roman guards belt buckle for an article. TWO YEARS ON A G.D. BELT BUCKLE! Then they suddenly can’t research the safety of the openly experimental vx before they push it on 8 million followers! I’m sorry they don’t get a pass, no excuses, they are guilty!
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EXACTLY!! I've never been able to understand people who say that they made a mistake, or they didn't know, nothing at all makes sense if you give them those excuses.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Can I ask a question on the “guilt“ issue? I ask it because judgement is definitive about guilt but there is leeway both scripturally and morally as to responsibility. We speak a good deal about watchtower and certainly, they had no right to put pressure upon the sheep about their medical decision making. Certainly their interference and motives are in a person‘s private affairs is echoed horrendously through their dealings with abuse victims within their assumed remit.

The question then is, are they aware of and were they aware beforehand, that the vaccination could be lethal? The question has some relevance if we are to assume an opinion of judgement: are they victims of their own isolation? If millions of witnesses believed that the vaccine was a “gift” of Jehovah, could this not also be the case with the deluded channel? They are blind and deaf are they not, just as much as the sheep. And were we not the same at one time? Is there really malice aforethought in this and are they deliberate in their blood guilt, or simply negligent through ignorance. Paul was off to murder the apostles was he not? I just wonder at times when I reflect on what I was like as a witness - so certain, so deceived, so ignorant as to the reality.
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Didn't the wt for years speak out against vaccines? With their involvement with the UN and other Medical Orgs. they may have had incite from the get go on the damages of this fake vaccine. Plus the money offered for all of those that took the shot. I feel that under the direction of satan they well knew what this poison was going to do to the sheep.
 
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