Peace and security!

[Joel]

"Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you, yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness.” - 1. Thessalonians 5:1-5.

First of all, in the original Greek it is Lord’s day and not Jehovah’s day (look up the Interlinear translation, because, since his baptism and anointing and resurrection, Jesus is now Lord of all things!). And second, how was that same warning fulfilled in the first century?

And afterward, he says: "But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness." - 1. Thessalonians 5:4, 5. Here Apostle Paul is contrasting "sons of light and sons of day" (those to whom he is writing) with the "thieves" (those who say 'peace and security')...

Also, from the above verses it should be obvious, that those, who say "peace and security" are exactly those, who were saying that Jehovah's day (Lord's day) was already here...and those are the sons of darkness as opposed to the sons of light, to whom apostle Paul was writing...

 

[Joel]

"But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness.” - 1 Thessalonians 5:4. Who could be those "thieves" that are in the "darkness"? It is the "man of lawlessness" and its members! They are the thieves like Judas Iscariot! They not only steal the kingdom halls by selling them illegally, they also "steal" the positions like GB and helpers-kings that do not belong to them!...

 

[mreader]

"Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. For you, yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape. But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness.” - 1. Thessalonians 5:1-5.

First of all, in the original Greek it is Lord’s day and not Jehovah’s day (look up the Interlinear translation, because, since his baptism and anointing and resurrection, Jesus is now Lord of all things!). And second, how was that same warning fulfilled in the first century?

And afterward, he says: "But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness." - 1. Thessalonians 5:4, 5. Here Apostle Paul is contrasting "sons of light and sons of day" (those to whom he is writing) with the "thieves" (those who say 'peace and security')...

Also, from the above verses it should be obvious, that those, who say "peace and security" are exactly those, who were saying that Jehovah's day (Lord's day) was already here...and those are the sons of darkness as opposed to the sons of light, to whom apostle Paul was writing...

I like the very 1st sentence of the 1 Thessalonians 5:1, especially the part of the sentence where is says: "you need nothing to be written to you" and the next sentence I like is: "Peace and Security".

 

[Joel]

Insight on the Scriptures:

Illustrative and Figurative Use (of peace and security). The familiarity of the grapevine—the general knowledge people had of its cultivation and productivity as well as the vintage and the gleaning activities connected therewith—made it an object of frequent reference by Bible writers. Vineyards producing an abundance of fruitage (today “abundant” spiritual food) reflected Jehovah’s blessing. (Le 26:5; Hag 2:19; Zec 8:12; Mal 3:11; Ps 128:3) The expression ‘sitting everyone under his own vine and under his own fig tree’ became proverbial of peace and security.—1Ki 4:25; 2Ki 18:31; Isa 36:16; Mic 4:4; Zec 3:10.

 

[Joel]

We have learned that to understand any verse in the Bible, we need to take into account the context. So, the question is: where in the context of 1 Thessalonians 5:3 is it indicated that those who say "peace and security" are the people of the nations or their governments...?

 

[Cristo]

I thought this was interesting. If you want to watch the VP bumble her way through talking about Russia and the situation watch all of it, or if you want to skip to the meat just goto the last 5 seconds. Just thought it was interesting...makes one wonder for sure.

 

[Ach Tung]

I always get chills when I hear that phrase (peace and security) used but if you really think about what is being said there, it is not speaking about the outbreak of war from the nations with each other or the GT on God's people. The sudden destruction is in regard to Armageddon.

5 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you. 2 For you yourselves know very well that the Lord's Day is coming exactly as a thief in the night. 3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.

10 But the Lord's Day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed. 11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion, 12 as you await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of the Lord through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat!

6 This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for you.+ 7 But you who suffer tribulation will be given relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus+ from heaven with his powerful angels+ 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God+ and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.+ 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction+ from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time when he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder among all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among you.+

29 But on the day that Lot went out of Sodʹom, it rained fire and sulfur from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be the same on that day when the Son of man is revealed.

8 He will also make you firm to the end so that you may be open to no accusation in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.+

 

[JTK]

I always get chills when I hear that phrase (peace and security) used but if you really think about what is being said there, it is not speaking about the outbreak of war from the nations with each other or the GT on God's people. The sudden destruction is in regard to Armageddon.

the declaration of peace and security is one of acomplishment and is reserved for the eighth king
psalm 2 informs of the situation and describes that destruction in v 9
imo

 

[Ach Tung]

the declaration of peace and security is one of acomplishment and is reserved for the eighth king
psalm 2 informs of the situation and describes that destruction in v 9
imo

IMO

7 When they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them.+ 8 And their corpses will be on the main street of the great city that is in a spiritual sense called Sodʹom and Egypt, where their Lord was also executed on the stake. 9 And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues* and nations will look at their corpses for three and a half days,+ and they do not allow their corpses to be laid in a tomb. 10 And those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and celebrate, and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those dwelling on the earth.

 

[Joel]

We have learned that to understand any verse in the Bible, we need to take into account the context. So, the question is: where in the context of 1 Thessalonians 5:3 is it indicated that those who say "peace and security" are the people of the nations or their governments...?

As a matter of fact, I think now, that both letters to Thessalonians form a context to the proclamation of "peace and security"...

 

[JTK]

IMO

7 When they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them.+ 8 And their corpses will be on the main street of the great city that is in a spiritual sense called Sodʹom and Egypt, where their Lord was also executed on the stake. 9 And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues* and nations will look at their corpses for three and a half days,+ and they do not allow their corpses to be laid in a tomb. 10 And those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and celebrate, and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those dwelling on the earth.

just wondering what that scrpture got to do with the peace and security declaration?

 

[Ach Tung]

just wondering what that scrpture got to do with the peace and security declaration?

If the sudden destruction comes upon those that are saying peace and security and if that destruction is a result of Armageddon, then those that are rejoicing over the death of the two-witnesses and celebrating, and sending gifts to one another, are the ones that the sudden destruction would come upon.

 

[JTK]

Oh i see your point ,of course .
it will come unexpectedly and suddenly and it will be justified because of their refusal to hear the 2 witnesses and even celebrate their deaths at the hand of the beast whom they worship.

 

[Joel]

Let us look at the proclamation of "peace and security" from the point of view presented to us under inspiration by king Solomon: "What has been is what will be, And what has been done will be done again; There is nothing new under the sun..." - Ecclesiastes 1:9. So, has a proclamation of "peace and security" happened in the past...?

 

[Joel]

Besides does not GB through their practices for at least the past 30 years make themselves to be the "disqusting thing that causes desolation" of Matthew 24:15?...they have literally "desolated" most of the anointed and now are trying to "desolate" the rest of JW with the vaccines...!

 

[Joel]

"Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!...” - 1 Thessalonians 5:3.

Grammar dictionary:
If an event is unique or its date or time is known, use the word when...whenever is best used for repeated events or events whose date or time is uncertain...so the question now is: has the cry of "peace and security" in the past already occurred...?