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Honestly, what I think, is that the majority of Zechariah is referring to “Jerusalem”, the anointed. I think that the refining and testing described in Zechariah 13:9 will take place among the anointed. The “test” that is to come upon the entire earth will be everyone, so in that regard we will all be tested but I think mainly it will be the anointed where among them only 1/3rd will be sealed, which means that 2/3rds will not remain faithful during the test. Of course, I am willing to be corrected as I could be completely wrong but I find it curious that there are about 24,000 claiming to be anointed. I have no doubt some are falsely claiming that for one reason or another but I think it is entirely possible that around 21,000 are truly “called” but only 7,000 will become Chosen.

Romans 11:4

Yet, what does the divine pronouncement say to him? “I have left for myself 7,000 men who have not bent the knee to Baʹal.”

1 Kings 19:18

And I still have left 7,000 in Israel, all whose knees have not bent down to Baʹal and whose mouths have not kissed him.”

Revelation 11:13

In that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; and 7,000 persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Matthew 22:14

“For there are many invited, but few chosen.”

Romans 8:33

Who will file accusation against God’s chosen ones? God is the One who declares them righteous.

Zechariah 13:9

And I will bring the third part through the fire; And I will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, And I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people,’ And they will say, ‘Jehovah is our God.’”

Zechariah 8:23

“This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’”
Mmm I appreciate your research yet cannot let go of my take on matters. Yet I will give support to your research when a third of the stars of heaven who we know to be the anointed will be brought down with Satan's fall! Don't forget this is all spiritual academia because does it really matter? Because what we have from Jehovah's Watchman is totally enough to have us informed, warned and in receipt of knowledge. But wow isn't it great to have such discourse?
 
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If I am blessed with any potential studies I will make sure they understand the Evil Shenanigans in relation to the man of lawlessness of Watchtower and let them make a conscious Choice
Agree!
How could one do otherwise and still maintain a clear conscience?
We have an obligation to teach, not only doctrinal truths, but prophetic truths as well.
How does one pick and choose? Loyalty to Jehovah involves speaking and teaching "truth" no matter where it takes us.

(2 Corinthians 4:1-6) . . .That is why, since we have this ministry according to the mercy that was shown us, we do not give up; 2 but we have renounced the underhanded things of which to be ashamed, not walking with cunning, neither adulterating the word of God, but by making the truth manifest recommending ourselves to every human conscience in the sight of God. 3 If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. 5 For we are preaching, not ourselves, but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as YOUR slaves for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God is he who said: “Let the light shine out of darkness,” and he has shone on our hearts to illuminate [them] with the glorious knowledge of God by the face of Christ.

(John 8:31-47) . . .And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: “If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.” When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, ......Who of YOU convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why is it YOU do not believe me?"
 
That's all true Barney but I still believe that Jehovah used/is using the Watchtower to teach people the basic truths about life, death and the universe. I can't think of one thing that the Catholics teach that is true or even based on the Bible 🤔 I suppose there must be a little something though 🤔 But, I learned loadsa truths via the Watchtower org, I'm especially grateful for the knowledge of why we're living in a mad world, why we die, what happens to us when we die and about the ressurection on to the earth. Out of all the 1000's of other religions and philosophy clubs out there I would not find these answers from any of them. As much as I detest so much about the Watchtower and have been treated so so bad by many so called witnesses including so called shepherds, I am eternally grateful for the good part of Jah's org and the good people that helped me so much, even if they do think I'm crazy or apostate now 😂 they'll wake up soon and hopefully we can be friends again 😍

You're right about the Watchtower not being able to feed us properly, that's why Jehovah brought us here 😍 and you're right about the Watchtower being an unrepentant adulterer, but it's reassuring to know (because we're being fed properly here) that Jehovah is going to hold them to account for it 👍 we are in a very special place here, hopefully being refined and getting rid of a bit more of our dross ☺️ Now, make a nice cuppa, open another pack of mince pies, put your feet up and watch a good ol' classic film. BBC iPlayer has some great ones on at the moment. We just watched Strangers on a Train, Hitchcock, brilliant 😊 just about to start Rear Window ☺️
I opted for The Guns of Navarone. I like these old noble war films, stiff upper lip, matchbox explosions and cardboard guns falling down a papier-mâché cliff face! I haven’t got a mince pie to hand, and am making do with brandy and without cigars. ☹️
 
Excellent article on a portion of Zechariah.
Excerpt below:

"God’s judgment is clear – those who worship the beast or its image will forfeit their lives. They are marked with the symbolic, yet indelible 666 mark of the beast...

In this, the prophecy of Zechariah is in harmony with all the Hebrew prophets and Revelation
: “‘For I shall show compassion no more upon the inhabitants of the land,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. ‘So here I am causing mankind to find themselves, each one in the hand of his companion and in the hand of his king; and they will certainly crush to pieces the land, and I shall do no delivering out of their hand.’” – Zechariah 11:6

The “king” to whom Jehovah abandons mankind can be none other than the eighth king of Revelation; which is to say the seven-headed beast after it revives from its death blow and ascends from the abyss of oblivion. “The land” that “they will certainly crush to pieces” is the land belonging to Jehovah’s people – elsewhere in prophecy described as “the land of the decoration.” This is exactly what is meant in Revelation, where it is foretold that the beast from the abyss will conquer the holy ones. The breaking of the two staffs betokens that Christ will temporarily abandon the flock; momentarily subjecting them to the cruelties of the totalitarian last king.

“I WAS STRUCK IN THE HOUSE OF MY INTENSE LOVERS”

The 13th chapter of Zechariah prophesies the ultimate cleansing of Christ’s congregation in preparation for their entry into the kingdom. Echoing the prophecy of Malachi regarding the arrival of Christ as the refiner and laundryman, Zechariah 13:8-9 reads:
“‘And it must occur in all the land,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘that two parts in it are what will be cut off and expire; and as for the third part, it will be left remaining in it. And I shall certainly bring the third part through the fire; and I shall actually refine them as in the refining of silver, and examine them as in the examining of gold.’”

The end result of the purge and refinement is stated next: “It, for its part, will call upon my name, and I, for my part, will answer it. I will say, ‘It is my people,’ and it, in its turn, will say, ‘Jehovah is my God.” The surviving “third part” that “will call upon my name” will be composed of those “left remaining” from the present organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses. And to be sure, Jehovah’s declaring a chastened remnant as “my people” is no ordinary affair. It must signify no less than the complete accomplishment of the redemptive work of Jesus Christ in connection with the holy ones. That is also expressed in the bewailing of the house of David over the death of the firstborn in the valley of Megiddo. (Zechariah 12:10-11) Expressed another way, whereas previously (Zechariah 7:12) Jehovah had described the hearts of his people as being like an emery stone, the coming catastrophe “in the valley of Megiddo” will soften the hearts of Christ’s true disciples and bring home to them the full reality of the price paid by the Firstborn son of God for their salvation.

As part of the refinement process Jehovah purges his house of the false prophets, as Zechariah 13:2 & 4-6 relates
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‘“And it must occur in that day,’ is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, ‘that I shall cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they will no more be remembered; and also the prophets and the spirit of uncleanness I shall cause to pass out of the land…And it must occur in that day that the prophets will become ashamed, each one of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear an official garment of hair for the purpose of deceiving.’”
 
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I opted for The Guns of Navarone. I like these old noble war films, stiff upper lip, matchbox explosions and cardboard guns falling down a papier-mâché cliff face! I haven’t got a mince pie to hand, and am making do with brandy and without cigars. ☹️
Love a nice brandy 😍 I got through a bottle of Cockburns Port over the holiday, it was delicious 😋
 
Excellent article on a portion of Zechariah.
Excerpt below:

"God’s judgment is clear – those who worship the beast or its image will forfeit their lives. They are marked with the symbolic, yet indelible 666 mark of the beast...

In this, the prophecy of Zechariah is in harmony with all the Hebrew prophets and Revelation
: “‘For I shall show compassion no more upon the inhabitants of the land,’ is the utterance of Jehovah. ‘So here I am causing mankind to find themselves, each one in the hand of his companion and in the hand of his king; and they will certainly crush to pieces the land, and I shall do no delivering out of their hand.’” – Zechariah 11:6

The “king” to whom Jehovah abandons mankind can be none other than the eighth king of Revelation; which is to say the seven-headed beast after it revives from its death blow and ascends from the abyss of oblivion. “The land” that “they will certainly crush to pieces” is the land belonging to Jehovah’s people – elsewhere in prophecy described as “the land of the decoration.” This is exactly what is meant in Revelation, where it is foretold that the beast from the abyss will conquer the holy ones. The breaking of the two staffs betokens that Christ will temporarily abandon the flock; momentarily subjecting them to the cruelties of the totalitarian last king.

“I WAS STRUCK IN THE HOUSE OF MY INTENSE LOVERS”

The 13th chapter of Zechariah prophesies the ultimate cleansing of Christ’s congregation in preparation for their entry into the kingdom. Echoing the prophecy of Malachi regarding the arrival of Christ as the refiner and laundryman, Zechariah 13:8-9 reads:
“‘And it must occur in all the land,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘that two parts in it are what will be cut off and expire; and as for the third part, it will be left remaining in it. And I shall certainly bring the third part through the fire; and I shall actually refine them as in the refining of silver, and examine them as in the examining of gold.’”

The end result of the purge and refinement is stated next: “It, for its part, will call upon my name, and I, for my part, will answer it. I will say, ‘It is my people,’ and it, in its turn, will say, ‘Jehovah is my God.” The surviving “third part” that “will call upon my name” will be composed of those “left remaining” from the present organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses. And to be sure, Jehovah’s declaring a chastened remnant as “my people” is no ordinary affair. It must signify no less than the complete accomplishment of the redemptive work of Jesus Christ in connection with the holy ones. That is also expressed in the bewailing of the house of David over the death of the firstborn in the valley of Megiddo. (Zechariah 12:10-11) Expressed another way, whereas previously (Zechariah 7:12) Jehovah had described the hearts of his people as being like an emery stone, the coming catastrophe “in the valley of Megiddo” will soften the hearts of Christ’s true disciples and bring home to them the full reality of the price paid by the Firstborn son of God for their salvation.

As part of the refinement process Jehovah purges his house of the false prophets, as Zechariah 13:2 & 4-6 relates
:
‘“And it must occur in that day,’ is the utterance of Jehovah of armies, ‘that I shall cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they will no more be remembered; and also the prophets and the spirit of uncleanness I shall cause to pass out of the land…And it must occur in that day that the prophets will become ashamed, each one of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear an official garment of hair for the purpose of deceiving.’”
I forgot about this article, what a Powerhouse it is thanks for sharing it .
 
If we knew for a certainty exactly who has been authorized to teach the truth, we wouldn’t be waiting for the Chosen Ones to make their appearance.
At one time, we weren't waiting. I think it is a peculiar sort that actually invites a Jehovah's Witness or even just their literature into the home. I had been contacted twice before that happened. First time I started to argue about Christmas. I felt like the sisters were picking a fight. Nobody likes the idea of giving that up because it seems right. Come to find out, I wasn't that attached to it anyway. Second time was a study who lent me her Live Forever book. I still wasn't ready yet. I had to realize that I wasn't getting answers from the other places I'd been or knew about.
I went to the Del Mar Fair in Del Mar, California and there was space with bible literature in the Bing Crosby Hall. I spoke with one of the guys attending that booth and he really didn't have answers for me. In context, I had just dumped a group, The Way (no longer existing) who were heavy into teaching that they can speak in tongues, heal, prophesy, all of it.
God blessed us with the ability to smell a rat if we just pay attention with our heart.
Maybe one day, Jehovah will explain why so many of us were called to Watchtower only to wake up one day, kicked in the teeth. I think maybe it has something to do with 1 Corinthians 3:6-8
Paul planted, Apollos watered. God has his reasons and my limited brain doesn't comprehend, and that's OK.
To be honest, it was a rebellious spirit that finally made me talk to JWs again and after giving me a printed invite, to actually show up. Isn't that the weirdest feeling when you walk in and you can feel the eyes on you? You can see them/us mentally drawing straws to walk up to you and make a greeting.
A side note: While I was still a study, early on, I saw someone who was new to my eyes sitting by themself to the side of the hall where nobody sits on a Sunday. When I first showed up, I had no fear because I had an invite. I walk up and stick out my hand and he says "I'm disfellowshipped". I said "something something" which I don't recall but equated to yeah so what. I didn't know about disfellowshipping yet but you can believe that every eye was on me right then. p*ss on them. I had been treated like scheiße so much of my life that I wasn't about to be like that. Not in what I thought was God's house.
I had a much longer comment but sometimes I get so long winded that I get lost in thought so I deleted the rest.
 
Can’t figure out why Jehovah hasn’t given Jesus the command to bring it all down.
Jehovah does NOT give the command "to bring it all down", until Armageddon. What Jehovah is "waiting for" is Satan and his minions to bring the Great Tribulation! Until that happens Jehovah is hands off, to a large extent anyway. I would not claim he's not maneuvering anything, but it all has to play out according to Jehovah's Law, which includes free will. Jehovah does NOT prove mankind ruled by Satan, cannot succeed, by making sure he cannot succeed. Satan and man has to do that all on their own, kind of like when Jesus cried out before he died, "why have you forsaken me", it is similar to that. This is part of what was so wrong about what WT has been doing with the whole 1914 claim. They have people so confused they still cannot separate the GT from "Jehovah's Day" or "the Lord's Day", because of the 1914 delusion. But the fact remains, the GT is going to be the last straw. Jehovah intervenes then, because if he did not Satan would kill everyone except a few of his minions, but largely leave the earth uninhabitable. When the GT happens that will be like when Adam and Eve sinned. On that very day, they condemned themselves to death, similarly, when Satan and his minions bring the GT that seals their fate, that and killing Christ brothers, but the GT is what gets the final ball rolling, so to speak. The GT will usher in the judgement, and Armageddon carries out the execution of that judgement.

So that is what Jehovah is "waiting for." It would also explain why only Jehovah knows when that is going to happen, because only he can see all the details. I'm sure Jesus can too now!
 
Jehovah does NOT give the command "to bring it all down", until Armageddon. What Jehovah is "waiting for" is Satan and his minions to bring the Great Tribulation! Until that happens Jehovah is hands off, to a large extent anyway. I would not claim he's not maneuvering anything, but it all has to play out according to Jehovah's Law, which includes free will. Jehovah does NOT prove mankind ruled by Satan, cannot succeed, by making sure he cannot succeed. Satan and man has to do that all on their own, kind of like when Jesus cried out before he died, "why have you forsaken me", it is similar to that. This is part of what was so wrong about what WT has been doing with the whole 1914 claim. They have people so confused they still cannot separate the GT from "Jehovah's Day" or "the Lord's Day", because of the 1914 delusion. But the fact remains, the GT is going to be the last straw. Jehovah intervenes then, because if he did not Satan would kill everyone except a few of his minions, but largely leave the earth uninhabitable. When the GT happens that will be like when Adam and Eve sinned. On that very day, they condemned themselves to death, similarly, when Satan and his minions bring the GT that seals their fate, that and killing Christ brothers, but the GT is what gets the final ball rolling, so to speak. The GT will usher in the judgement, and Armageddon carries out the execution of that judgement.

So that is what Jehovah is "waiting for." It would also explain why only Jehovah knows when that is going to happen, because only he can see all the details. I'm sure Jesus can too now!
Excellent comment Nomex. Jehovah says "It's time", Satan reacts even though he pretty much knew, tries to fight anyway, loses and now its just a matter of him taking it out on us even though we did nothing to him. Satan attacks us even though it is Jehovah he hates and wants to hurt. Out of righteousness Jehovah acts because now its the last straw.
 
Mmm I appreciate your research yet cannot let go of my take on matters. Yet I will give support to your research when a third of the stars of heaven who we know to be the anointed will be brought down with Satan's fall! Don't forget this is all spiritual academia because does it really matter? Because what we have from Jehovah's Watchman is totally enough to have us informed, warned and in receipt of knowledge. But wow isn't it great to have such discourse?
So true. The finer points or details really don’t matter because we will all know much more once the Chosen have been revealed.
 
Jehovah does NOT give the command "to bring it all down", until Armageddon. What Jehovah is "waiting for" is Satan and his minions to bring the Great Tribulation! Until that happens Jehovah is hands off, to a large extent anyway. I would not claim he's not maneuvering anything, but it all has to play out according to Jehovah's Law, which includes free will. Jehovah does NOT prove mankind ruled by Satan, cannot succeed, by making sure he cannot succeed. Satan and man has to do that all on their own, kind of like when Jesus cried out before he died, "why have you forsaken me", it is similar to that. This is part of what was so wrong about what WT has been doing with the whole 1914 claim. They have people so confused they still cannot separate the GT from "Jehovah's Day" or "the Lord's Day", because of the 1914 delusion. But the fact remains, the GT is going to be the last straw. Jehovah intervenes then, because if he did not Satan would kill everyone except a few of his minions, but largely leave the earth uninhabitable. When the GT happens that will be like when Adam and Eve sinned. On that very day, they condemned themselves to death, similarly, when Satan and his minions bring the GT that seals their fate, that and killing Christ brothers, but the GT is what gets the final ball rolling, so to speak. The GT will usher in the judgement, and Armageddon carries out the execution of that judgement.

So that is what Jehovah is "waiting for." It would also explain why only Jehovah knows when that is going to happen, because only he can see all the details. I'm sure Jesus can too now!
Jehovah is the author of this. I would imagine the great tribulation is the final exam for us. Endure to the end of our lives or endure to the end of the great tribulation, when intervention takes place before we're wiped out completely.
 
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I've made some comments that I might retract, partially. Regarding whether it's wise to direct someone to Watchtower, that is. I really don't know now. I used to hold the Live Forever book in high esteem. I think I read somewhere on here that it's no longer used because of flaws? What they have now is unusable to me. Where could you direct someone, anyone to dig up bible truth?
If a person had no foundation at all. None or maybe little knowledge, I think I would still try to steer them toward the Live Forever book but with a caution.
I feel that once the actual witness kicks off, everything will appear much more clear as to truth. My brother used to say that all the churches have a little bit of truth. Catholics and Mormons falling far down on that list. I see a lot of debates on Youtube about the trinity and a few other topics which lead people down the wrong path. I see a lot of people who believe in the rapture and they are in for a shock. The eternal hellfire people are relying on hearsay and not bible knowledge. That one in particular annoys me because of the power it held over me for years.
I think no matter what we do right now teachingwise, as Jehovah speeds up and kicks the door open, people will have two choices. Doctrine and beliefs will come down to either Satan represented by the beast or Jehovah.
What you say here Bill is the very issue of faith it’s self. Can we believe what we read or hear? Susan makes a vey concise point in whether or not we know who is speaking truth and the need we have listen to the chosen ones when they appear. However, the Bible speaks for itself and is an exacting instructor in the truth in that it says “by their fruits you will know them”, referring essentially to whom is speaking truth. Therefore there is a touch stone in that it is not so much what is said, but what its outcome is to the listener. Therefore “fruit” of the word refers intrinsically to its outcomes, not simply innocuous ingestion of it. The parable goes on to describe what happens to trees that are barren in this way in that they do not develop the Spirit offered them. (The parable of the talents - pay attention to the value of what is given them).

Throughout history, people have been instructed by Jehovah. The Bible itself precedes the chosen. The chosen ones are a class apart in instruction and their role is one of speaking truth and revealing truth to the “opposition” for a witness and they are killed for it. But the very fact of the witnessing work that goes on before hand to those searching for salvation I.e., to survive the coming judgement shows that truth is available right now and indeed, has been throughout history.

Yet surely there is a difference today in that if some are to be preserved alive beforehand for a witness to go through the tribulation actually alive and without having to pay the penalty of death to cleanse their sin, then it is equally clear that they possess something that demonstrates contrition for their sin; faith in what is true, and have made changes in their life to demonstrate that they can appreciate and have become what is required of them - in other words, that they have made critical changes in their life that reflect this change, choose to prefer it above all else, and are able to demonstrate such in their daily life against all opposition, even death itself. If this truly is the case, then something else is required other than being instructed, and that must require action on our behalf from us.

Therefor we must “become” it, and that is within our grasp now, if we choose to “understand” what is said to us plainly in truth. In other words, that we put into action what we have learnt and test it ourselves as to whether it is true. If it is true, we know it’s true because we understand its value and recognise the “voice “ behind it. Thus we come to understand the scripture, “my sheep know me, they hear my voice and come out”. (Scripture please Kevin) 👍

Surely there must be evidence if this is the case. Well there is because those ones with understanding are often anointed and the test of anointing must be that their teaching is digestible so that it can be made manifest in faith not only to themselves, but to others. Therein is its substance for us all who listen to the Word, in that it gives us understanding and the ability to become “holy” or righteous before Jehovah. And if we have understanding of the Word, then we have, as Christ said in the scripture the knowledge of the voice in our hearts, in that we are able to become one with the Voice, because we know it to be true and can put faith in it. We “understand” what is required of us and critically agree with it.

Therefore if we critically examine the truth and become in ourselves the product of truth through being able to understand its values, that makes changes in our lives that make us acceptable for salvation because we become part of that truth, rather than bystanders listening to it and agreeing with it, but not becoming it because we lack the inspiration to become part of it. Is that not what being “who is so blind and deaf as my people?” is referring to in the scripture……inactivity? Not taking the Word to heart? Not putting it into action in our daily life? Is it not the picture that watchtower are so fond of showing - a bunch of witnesses climbing up a hill out of destruction simply because they are part of watchtower and have “listened” to the “Channel”?

Thus there is a difference, a responsibility that comes with knowledge, and that difference is the understanding of what is required. It’s not teaching, but listening, the responsibility is upon the listener to action the Word in their life. The Word has that effect upon the heart and if understood there is a physical response within the mind and body that can be measured. Love, leading to confidence and reassurance that offers belief, faith and the realisation of truth. In turn this inspires the “doing” of the Word and the development of the senses that drive it - positive action from understanding what is required of us. It’s not so much the understanding of what is right or wrong - that is inbuilt into us - but of loving what is good and right because we ourselves have become part of it in our spirit. The imperfection of sin is understood for what it is and rejected because the understanding of active holiness is preferred from within for its values, its essence in its achievement and a longing for the peace of perfection that flows with it. We feel and become aware of values beyond our own thinking. It is a different form of existence that describes spirituality in its human form. Can we not sense and feel “spirituality” and follow its lead and translate it into our human lives and expend it to others in understanding if it?

Neither is it exclusive to the anointed. How so? Perfection is attainable because it is a standard set by the creator that defines its existence and measure. Within perfection there are many mansions of purpose though. We can fill our allotted place if we grasp its understanding and give birth to it within our heart.
 
Honestly, what I think, is that the majority of Zechariah is referring to “Jerusalem”, the anointed. I think that the refining and testing described in Zechariah 13:9 will take place among the anointed. The “test” that is to come upon the entire earth will be everyone, so in that regard we will all be tested but I think mainly it will be the anointed where among them only 1/3rd will be sealed, which means that 2/3rds will not remain faithful during the test. Of course, I am willing to be corrected as I could be completely wrong but I find it curious that there are about 24,000 claiming to be anointed. I have no doubt some are falsely claiming that for one reason or another but I think it is entirely possible that around 21,000 are truly “called” but only 7,000 will become Chosen.

Romans 11:4

Yet, what does the divine pronouncement say to him? “I have left for myself 7,000 men who have not bent the knee to Baʹal.”

1 Kings 19:18

And I still have left 7,000 in Israel, all whose knees have not bent down to Baʹal and whose mouths have not kissed him.”

Revelation 11:13

In that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; and 7,000 persons were killed by the earthquake, and the rest became frightened and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Matthew 22:14

“For there are many invited, but few chosen.”

Romans 8:33

Who will file accusation against God’s chosen ones? God is the One who declares them righteous.

Zechariah 13:9

And I will bring the third part through the fire; And I will refine them as silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will call on my name, And I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people,’ And they will say, ‘Jehovah is our God.’”

Zechariah 8:23

“This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.”’”
For whatever reason the Watchtower fudges the numbers so who could really rely on the them.
Here's what we do Know Jehovah said "And I will bring the third part through the fire that would be 1/3 = 7,000 of 21,000 who meet the criteria of the anointed faithful Who Have Not Bent a knee to Baal in the last days so since 1/3 = 7000 which means the whole number was 21,000 and divided by 3 that would imply that there is two more parts of equal value that need to be added to 7000 so 3 x 7,000 = 21,000 - so in conclusion there will be 21,000 in the last days in which only 7,000 make it through the fire regardless of what the Watchtower suggest.
 
For whatever reason the Watchtower fudges the numbers so who could really rely on the them.
Here's what we do Know Jehovah said "And I will bring the third part through the fire that would be 1/3 = 7,000 of 21,000 who meet the criteria of the anointed faithful Who Have Not Bent a knee to Baal in the last days so since 1/3 = 7000 which means the whole number was 21,000 and divided by 3 that would imply that there is two more parts of equal value that need to be added to 7000 so 3 x 7,000 = 21,000 - so in conclusion there will be 21,000 in the last days in which only 7,000 make it through the fire regardless of what the Watchtower suggest.
I’m mathematically illiterate but it makes sense to me purely upon the number 7 being Important to Jehovah as a signal of perfection. I don’t understand why watchtower have to muddle things up to add to their sense of importance.
 
What Jehovah is waiting for is for the 144,000 to be completed and sealed.
Which does NOT happen until after the GT! What I am referring to is what seems to be the next "shoe to drop." It's basically the "ball is in his court", meaning Satan has the "next move." I have noticed there seems to be a trend toward this idea that is very closely related to a kind of "predestination" thinking.

But to understand everything, that is to say as well as we might be able to until Jesus actually returns, it is absolutely essential we look at things from an understanding that each of us has free will, and each of us chooses to serve Jehovah, he does NOT force anyone to worship him. Therefore all of our understanding regarding prophecy MUST be well grounded in that fundamental understanding, which is Jehovah created each of us with free will. Jesus sacrifice was the ultimate demonstration of free will, which was engaged in true worship of Jehovah. In fact that is one of the reasons why the trinity is so blasphemous, it erases the very essence of Christ sacrifice, which was choosing to serve God even when faced with death, and to go one step even further and to chose death rather than serve Satan, and putting your complete faith in Jehovah to do the right thing.

To lament, although completely and totally understandable and completely human, that is to say, completely and totally imperfectly human, is to wonder, "why doesn't Jehovah set Jesus loose", is in some sense blaming Jehovah. This is NOT a judgement, (I catch myself doing it more than I like to admit), I am just trying to help give more complete picture. And I think this is a little hold over thinking from WT, because if Jesus had begun ruling in 1914, then that is 100% a valid question! Like Robert has said, take everything WT has said and move it forward into the future, especially the part about Christ presence!!!
 
If we knew for a certainty exactly who has been authorized to teach the truth, we wouldn’t be waiting for the Chosen Ones to make their appearance.
Where in the Bible does it instruct the Watchtower tract Society governing body to feed Jesus's sheep?. "it doesn't" however they did attempted to take on that role and failed miserably and proven to be wicket men of lawlessness with all their erroneous prophecies and half truths not to mention being complicit in Murder, I mean a spade is a spade that's what I see, and should I say something different I would be a liar.

AI Overview tidbits.
The instruction to "feed my sheep" or "tend my lambs" is found in the
Gospel of John. After his resurrection, Jesus asks the apostle Peter three times if he loves him, and each time, Jesus instructs Peter with a commission:
  • "Feed my lambs" (John 21:15)
  • "Tend my sheep" (John 21:16)
  • "Feed my sheep" (John 21:17)
In Christian theology, these instructions are generally interpreted as a command to provide spiritual nourishment and care for Jesus's followers (the "sheep"), which applies to church leadership, ministers, or the broader Christian community.
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the legal corporation used by Jehovah's Witnesses, interprets these scriptures as a divine commission to evangelize and provide spiritual education to people worldwide. They view themselves as the faithful and discreet slave class (referenced in Matthew 24:45-47), appointed by Jesus to be the sole channel for dispensing spiritual food (Bible truths and guidance) in the modern era.
They believe that this "spiritual food" is provided through their publications, meetings, and conventions, which they consider essential for the spiritual well-being of their members and those who study the Bible with them.
The statement in the query expresses a profound disagreement with the Watch Tower Society's self-appointed role. The query uses the term "wicked men of lawlessness" and refers to "erroneous prophecies and half truths" to assert that the organization has failed in its self-proclaimed duty and, in the opinion of the user, acted contrary to Christian principles.
The "saying" that is referenced in the query is a summary judgment of the organization: that by attempting to take on the role of feeding Jesus's sheep but failing "miserably," the leadership has proven to be "wicked men of lawlessness." This is a highly critical assessment of the group's actions, teachings, and history.
 
Jehovah does NOT give the command "to bring it all down", until Armageddon. What Jehovah is "waiting for" is Satan and his minions to bring the Great Tribulation! Until that happens Jehovah is hands off, to a large extent anyway. I would not claim he's not maneuvering anything, but it all has to play out according to Jehovah's Law, which includes free will. Jehovah does NOT prove mankind ruled by Satan, cannot succeed, by making sure he cannot succeed. Satan and man has to do that all on their own, kind of like when Jesus cried out before he died, "why have you forsaken me", it is similar to that. This is part of what was so wrong about what WT has been doing with the whole 1914 claim. They have people so confused they still cannot separate the GT from "Jehovah's Day" or "the Lord's Day", because of the 1914 delusion. But the fact remains, the GT is going to be the last straw. Jehovah intervenes then, because if he did not Satan would kill everyone except a few of his minions, but largely leave the earth uninhabitable. When the GT happens that will be like when Adam and Eve sinned. On that very day, they condemned themselves to death, similarly, when Satan and his minions bring the GT that seals their fate, that and killing Christ brothers, but the GT is what gets the final ball rolling, so to speak. The GT will usher in the judgement, and Armageddon carries out the execution of that judgement.

So that is what Jehovah is "waiting for." It would also explain why only Jehovah knows when that is going to happen, because only he can see all the details. I'm sure Jesus can too now!
I think you got the comment a bit confused because it was kenmuldoon55 who said "Can’t figure out why Jehovah hasn’t given Jesus the command to bring it all down, In other words it was his comment not mines I just had Incorporated it for the general understanding of the overall comment. Anyway that really doesn't matter however I felt I needed to clarify who said what so to speak .

Also in your last sentence it sounds like you are suggesting Jesus does know the day and the hour when the scriptures clearly indicate he does not know the day or hour, so could you please elaborate further on this thought of yours thank you.

Nomex "So that is what Jehovah is "waiting for." It would also explain why only Jehovah knows when that is going to happen, because only he can see all the details. I'm sure Jesus can too now!

 
it sounds like you are suggesting Jesus does know the day and the hour when the scriptures clearly indicate he does not know the day or hour, so could you please elaborate further on this thought of yours thank you.
This is what Watchtower teaches but it's just more speculation.
What @a watcher said! LOL.

And I may have been mixed up who said it, but I think every single one of us, me included has thought to ourselves, "what is Jehovah waiting for?" And all I am saying is we have to factor in free will. The Bible is not black and white about certain things, like I mentioned before, Adam did not literally drop dead the day he ate of the fruit. And in what way did Jehovah "harden Pharaoh's heart", when we factor in free will? Jehovah may "know the day and hour", but to what extant does he control that outcome, when we factor in free will?

To me, it's as clear as mud. We can only speculate based on what we do know, and I would argue it's not much regarding how Jehovah can see into the future, and how he uses that ability, because he must only use it selectively. We know he did NOT look into the future and know Adam and Eve were going to sin or that Satan would, because if he had done that, creating them knowing they were going to sin and cause all this heart ache, including the need for his own son to die, would have been wicked. So, the problem most have in the world is not being able to reconcile how a God who is omnipotent, could not have known they were going to sin. And the only way to answer that, is to understand it is an ability he can use or not use. It's like running. Most of us can run, but we chose not to, we walk instead.
 
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The president just created a Board of Peace and he’ll tell us shortly who will be appointed to it.

 
The president just created a Board of Peace and he’ll tell us shortly who will be appointed to it.

I would like to put my hat in the ring. :)

Seriously, that is very interesting. Thanks for helping us keep on the watch. I really appreciate your input.
 
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