Pentecost

Eira

Well-known member
Hi all, just a little experience that I’d like to share…
I was at the ministry group and the brother taking the group brought up the subject of Whitsun (Pentecost) and he asked the question ‘what is Pentecost?’. Most people including myself thought of the day when Brothers and Sisters were gathering together and the Holy Spirit was poured out and they started to speak in tongues. Most of us associated that day with the speaking of tongues and not the Festival that they were celebrating.
Within the last few weeks I’ve been struggling with the question ‘ why am I going to the hall etc?’
Thinking of those early Christians who knew that the Jewish system of things probably wasn’t the right course and they were still attending Jewish festivals etc and continuing to serve Jehovah in the Jewish customs and ways.
It made me think that if they hadn’t of been there they would not of received the Holy Spirit that day.
Brother King encourages us to stay until the day modern day Jerusalem is trampled on .
It’s a difficult thing to do when you know the truth about the truth but if I hadn’t been there today I wouldn’t of learned about the Festival of Pentecost (of which I am researching now) and I wouldn’t of had the chance to spread the Good News of the Kingdom and make a witness about Jehovah all of which I and us as a group were able to do because of Jehovah’s Holy Spirit….
I hope that I don’t come across as being preachy as this is my experience and in no way am I trying to promote my thoughts as what you should do.
It’s just a little experience and feelings that I had….
 

The God Pill

Well-known member
Hi all, just a little experience that I’d like to share…
I was at the ministry group and the brother taking the group brought up the subject of Whitsun (Pentecost) and he asked the question ‘what is Pentecost?’. Most people including myself thought of the day when Brothers and Sisters were gathering together and the Holy Spirit was poured out and they started to speak in tongues. Most of us associated that day with the speaking of tongues and not the Festival that they were celebrating.
Within the last few weeks I’ve been struggling with the question ‘ why am I going to the hall etc?’
Thinking of those early Christians who knew that the Jewish system of things probably wasn’t the right course and they were still attending Jewish festivals etc and continuing to serve Jehovah in the Jewish customs and ways.
It made me think that if they hadn’t of been there they would not of received the Holy Spirit that day.
Brother King encourages us to stay until the day modern day Jerusalem is trampled on .
It’s a difficult thing to do when you know the truth about the truth but if I hadn’t been there today I wouldn’t of learned about the Festival of Pentecost (of which I am researching now) and I wouldn’t of had the chance to spread the Good News of the Kingdom and make a witness about Jehovah all of which I and us as a group were able to do because of Jehovah’s Holy Spirit….
I hope that I don’t come across as being preachy as this is my experience and in no way am I trying to promote my thoughts as what you should do.
It’s just a little experience and feelings that I had….
Feel free to share anything you find on pentecost can't say I've researched all the festivals but I'm a fan of the feast of tabernacles as the bible says it will be observed during the millenium.
 

Paradise

Member
Hi all, just a little experience that I’d like to share…
I was at the ministry group and the brother taking the group brought up the subject of Whitsun (Pentecost) and he asked the question ‘what is Pentecost?’. Most people including myself thought of the day when Brothers and Sisters were gathering together and the Holy Spirit was poured out and they started to speak in tongues. Most of us associated that day with the speaking of tongues and not the Festival that they were celebrating.
Within the last few weeks I’ve been struggling with the question ‘ why am I going to the hall etc?’
Thinking of those early Christians who knew that the Jewish system of things probably wasn’t the right course and they were still attending Jewish festivals etc and continuing to serve Jehovah in the Jewish customs and ways.
It made me think that if they hadn’t of been there they would not of received the Holy Spirit that day.
Brother King encourages us to stay until the day modern day Jerusalem is trampled on .
It’s a difficult thing to do when you know the truth about the truth but if I hadn’t been there today I wouldn’t of learned about the Festival of Pentecost (of which I am researching now) and I wouldn’t of had the chance to spread the Good News of the Kingdom and make a witness about Jehovah all of which I and us as a group were able to do because of Jehovah’s Holy Spirit….
I hope that I don’t come across as being preachy as this is my experience and in no way am I trying to promote my thoughts as what you should do.
It’s just a little experience and feelings that I had….
I appreciate your thoughts. I still believe the best and most organized way of preaching the good news is currently with the organization. And I appreciate one sister on this forum who said when she was studying, her teacher helped her understand the organization is a means to an end
 

Seadog

Well-known member
I appreciate your thoughts. I still believe the best and most organized way of preaching the good news is currently with the organization. And I appreciate one sister on this forum who said when she was studying, her teacher helped her understand the organization is a means to an end
Very conflicted----- The further down this rabbit hole I get the less likely I am to go preaching door to door as a JW representative. I resigned as a direct result of the mandates on the clot shots and the toll on my conscience so how can I introduce innocents at the door to such an organisation? I love my bros and sisters and still feel the need to gather and worship---The difference is now I see what's on the program before I attend.
Then there's all this freemason stuff😰
 

Eira

Well-known member
Very conflicted----- The further down this rabbit hole I get the less likely I am to go preaching door to door as a JW representative. I resigned as a direct result of the mandates on the clot shots and the toll on my conscience so how can I introduce innocents at the door to such an organisation? I love my bros and sisters and still feel the need to gather and worship---The difference is now I see what's on the program before I attend.
Then there's all this freemason stuff😰
I totally understand how you feel about introducing innocents to such an organisation, isn’t there a scripture that says ‘better for them not to have known, than them to turn away’.
My point was that because the early Christian’s were there they received the Holy Spirit (maybe I’m wrong but I believe that Jehovah’s Holy Spirit is still with the Brothers and Sisters now when they meet and preach the Good News ) personally I don’t want anyone to become a Jehovah’s Witness I wouldn’t want anyone to go through the mental torture, so when I go out and meet with the Brothers I get a chance to praise Jehovah.
Of course it’s possible to informally witness on your own and I am not knocking that but my experience going out in that group was encouraging. There was many good experiences that the Brothers had and there was so many innocents interested in the Bible.
What other organisations are doing this work?? Where else could you go to to join in this worldwide campaign to spread the Kingdom message??
Maybe I am conflicted, as the scripture in Mathew 28 says to go make disciples and as I said I don’t want them to become JW’s but I appease my conscience by making Jehovah’s name known and teaching about God’s Kingdom. After that I let Jehovah take over.
 

Paradise

Member
I totally understand how you feel about introducing innocents to such an organisation, isn’t there a scripture that says ‘better for them not to have known, than them to turn away’.
My point was that because the early Christian’s were there they received the Holy Spirit (maybe I’m wrong but I believe that Jehovah’s Holy Spirit is still with the Brothers and Sisters now when they meet and preach the Good News ) personally I don’t want anyone to become a Jehovah’s Witness I wouldn’t want anyone to go through the mental torture, so when I go out and meet with the Brothers I get a chance to praise Jehovah.
Of course it’s possible to informally witness on your own and I am not knocking that but my experience going out in that group was encouraging. There was many good experiences that the Brothers had and there was so many innocents interested in the Bible.
What other organisations are doing this work?? Where else could you go to to join in this worldwide campaign to spread the Kingdom message??
Maybe I am conflicted, as the scripture in Mathew 28 says to go make disciples and as I said I don’t want them to become JW’s but I appease my conscience by making Jehovah’s name known and teaching about God’s Kingdom. After that I let Jehovah take over.
I totally agree with your thoughts which is why I’m still going out with the groups. It does become challenging when someone is interested enough for a study.
 

SusanB

Well-known member
Very conflicted----- The further down this rabbit hole I get the less likely I am to go preaching door to door as a JW representative. I resigned as a direct result of the mandates on the clot shots and the toll on my conscience so how can I introduce innocents at the door to such an organisation? I love my bros and sisters and still feel the need to gather and worship---The difference is now I see what's on the program before I attend.
Then there's all this freemason stuff😰
I appreciate your conflict. I think its important to look for a pattern that will teach us Jehovah’s thoughts. Perhaps this is one some may not have considered and that was the issue of drinking alcohol and then serving in the tent of meeting. That was not allowed and Jehovah clearly says it is to distinguish between what is holy and what is profane. Which is worse, supporting a lying narrative like 1914 and the vaccine or drinking alcohol? If people see you in the meetings, will they assume you support all of the teachings including the idolizing of the GB? Perhaps it is early to leave, I don’t know. I only know that I cannot even appear to support lies and murder and that is what the GB and most of the Elders have participated in.

Leviticus 10:8-10: “Then Jehovah said to Aaron: “Do not drink wine or other alcoholic beverages, you and your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die. It is a permanent statute for your generations. This is to distinguish between the holy thing and the profane and between the unclean thing and the clean, and to teach the Israelites all the regulations that Jehovah has spoken to them through Moses.

Another one that hits home with me.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18: “Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Beʹli·al? Or what does a believer share in common with an unbeliever? And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I will reside among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” “‘Therefore, get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take you in.’” “‘And I will become a father to you, and you will become sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah, the Almighty.”
 

Seadog

Well-known member
I appreciate your conflict. I think its important to look for a pattern that will teach us Jehovah’s thoughts. Perhaps this is one some may not have considered and that was the issue of drinking alcohol and then serving in the tent of meeting. That was not allowed and Jehovah clearly says it is to distinguish between what is holy and what is profane. Which is worse, supporting a lying narrative like 1914 and the vaccine or drinking alcohol? If people see you in the meetings, will they assume you support all of the teachings including the idolizing of the GB? Perhaps it is early to leave, I don’t know. I only know that I cannot even appear to support lies and murder and that is what the GB and most of the Elders have participated in.

Leviticus 10:8-10: “Then Jehovah said to Aaron: “Do not drink wine or other alcoholic beverages, you and your sons with you, when you come into the tent of meeting, so that you will not die. It is a permanent statute for your generations. This is to distinguish between the holy thing and the profane and between the unclean thing and the clean, and to teach the Israelites all the regulations that Jehovah has spoken to them through Moses.

Another one that hits home with me.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18: “Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Beʹli·al? Or what does a believer share in common with an unbeliever? And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I will reside among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” “‘Therefore, get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take you in.’” “‘And I will become a father to you, and you will become sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah, the Almighty.”
Excellent scriptures Sister
My head agrees with you that I should be "getting out" but I do love my Bros. Just last night we stayed at home from the midweek meeting and our friends 6-7 year old gave his first bible reading and we missed it. They sent me a video clip of the reading.
I'm avoiding the issue here which you have made clear. Perhaps very few our brethren will get the point this side of the tribulation.
I know personally hundreds of JW's and yet there is only one brother I know who has taken a similar stands myself and he is now not associating at all.This Brother introduced me to Bro Roberts book.
Of those hundreds there is only 3 couples and one single brother I know of that wasn't coerced into the clot shot!! (of course there's all those that ran to embrace the GB endorsed toxin)
Then as far as I remember when I looked a while ago there are more or less 260 members of this forum. I looked to check just now and total members was not shown.
My point is when you look at the numbers we are existing in a pretty rarified atmosphere. It seems incredible more haven't woken up????
 
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Little River

Guest
Very conflicted----- The further down this rabbit hole I get the less likely I am to go preaching door to door as a JW representative. I resigned as a direct result of the mandates on the clot shots and the toll on my conscience so how can I introduce innocents at the door to such an organisation? I love my bros and sisters and still feel the need to gather and worship---The difference is now I see what's on the program before I attend.
Then there's all this freemason stuff😰
I too am under severe conflict. Before I will go to a meeting, I read the study article and if there is anything supporting the lockdowns, masks, vaccines & government I won't go. I have only been back to one meeting since the lockdown. All the others I have attended via Zoom. I did however (thanks to the encouragement of this forum) hand in my Field Service Report for April and May. I Talk to people on my own - totally informal witnessing. Yikes and I caught myself warning people to trust God only and to be careful of their church leaders who can lie to them!
But now with Freemasons being identified in the GB and the strange message that they talk about us receiving from them, and us having to go to refugee camps, I am a bit nervous. Haha (nervous laugh)
 
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Little River

Guest
I wouldn’t want anyone to go through the mental torture,
Very true. I often wondered why did they make it so hard to get baptized. All the meetings, showing that you are dedicated, being on the school, going out regularly in FS, handing in reports.....and, and...
I quit my job so that I could get to the meetings (3 a week of which 2 were at night) so that I can get baptized. Way back in 2002. It was hard to do and hard to be a JW. And feeling bad and imperfect all the time. And honestly the lockdown was a form of relieve to take a break from this routine and mental torture.. Sorry to admit.
I don't regret it though. There were also blessings. Just saying.
 
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Little River

Guest
And feeling bad and imperfect all the time
But since the lockdown in 2020 I joined Twitter and there I learned ALL about Andrenochrome, celebrties and world leaders drinking blood of tortured children, Bohemian Grove, Jeffrey Epstein, Lolita express, lolita dolls, Satanic rituals and Freemasons, the Cabal, the Rockefellers and Rothchild's, the controlled media and school education, Blackrock, Marina Abromovic and cannabalism in the whitehouse, pizzagate, phedophiles, DUMBS, frazzildrip, chemtrails, toxins in our food and water, gmo's, transhumanism, fake space, digital ID, chimeras, NWO, WHO, Bill Gates, Eugenics, useless eaters and Henry Kissinger, fake virus, planned lockdowns, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Bank, vaccines that kill, the evil Vatican, the Vatican telescope, the book of Enoch, Reptiles, clones, Lucist Trust, neurolace,, the internet of bodies, the mark of the beast, 666 and satanism, fake moon landing, And 501c that led me to this site!. and so many more evils that the WT never told us about or talk about.
So much for being a "watchtower" reporting on world events!
And HEY I don't feel so bad about my sins and imperfections anymore!!
O yes and Mother Theresa is a man, a child trafficker and father of Anthony Fauci!
I am having a good hysterical little laugh now!
 

Seadog

Well-known member
But since the lockdown in 2020 I joined Twitter and there I learned ALL about Andrenochrome, celebrties and world leaders drinking blood of tortured children, Bohemian Grove, Jeffrey Epstein, Lolita express, lolita dolls, Satanic rituals and Freemasons, the Cabal, the Rockefellers and Rothchild's, the controlled media and school education, Blackrock, Marina Abromovic and cannabalism in the whitehouse, pizzagate, phedophiles, DUMBS, frazzildrip, chemtrails, toxins in our food and water, gmo's, transhumanism, fake space, digital ID, chimeras, NWO, WHO, Bill Gates, Eugenics, useless eaters and Henry Kissinger, fake virus, planned lockdowns, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Bank, vaccines that kill, the evil Vatican, the Vatican telescope, the book of Enoch, Reptiles, clones, Lucist Trust, neurolace,, the internet of bodies, the mark of the beast, 666 and satanism, fake moon landing, And 501c that led me to this site!. and so many more evils that the WT never told us about or talk about.
So much for being a "watchtower" reporting on world events!
And HEY I don't feel so bad about my sins and imperfections anymore!!
O yes and Mother Theresa is a man, a child trafficker and father of Anthony Fauci!
I am having a good hysterical little laugh now!
Wow. You took a whole bottle of red pills 💊!!!!
 

CyndiaS

Well-known member
But since the lockdown in 2020 I joined Twitter and there I learned ALL about Andrenochrome, celebrties and world leaders drinking blood of tortured children, Bohemian Grove, Jeffrey Epstein, Lolita express, lolita dolls, Satanic rituals and Freemasons, the Cabal, the Rockefellers and Rothchild's, the controlled media and school education, Blackrock, Marina Abromovic and cannabalism in the whitehouse, pizzagate, phedophiles, DUMBS, frazzildrip, chemtrails, toxins in our food and water, gmo's, transhumanism, fake space, digital ID, chimeras, NWO, WHO, Bill Gates, Eugenics, useless eaters and Henry Kissinger, fake virus, planned lockdowns, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Bank, vaccines that kill, the evil Vatican, the Vatican telescope, the book of Enoch, Reptiles, clones, Lucist Trust, neurolace,, the internet of bodies, the mark of the beast, 666 and satanism, fake moon landing, And 501c that led me to this site!. and so many more evils that the WT never told us about or talk about.
So much for being a "watchtower" reporting on world events!
And HEY I don't feel so bad about my sins and imperfections anymore!!
O yes and Mother Theresa is a man, a child trafficker and father of Anthony Fauci!
I am having a good hysterical little laugh now!
👏 😍 😂 🔥 👏 🔥
 

Bk Kevin

Well-known member
I totally agree with your thoughts which is why I’m still going out with the groups. It does become challenging when someone is interested enough for a study.
Don't go beyond the things written as the Watchtower does and just stick to the basic doctrinal truths as put forth in the Bible and when subjects like the 1914 Watchtower scenario comes up then you have to discern whether that student is ready to understand the deeper things in reference to the erroneous teachings of Watchtower.
 
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