PIMO / PISA / POSA - Should I stay or should I go (in)

Driven said:
Here is the thing I am realizing since this whole vaccine debacle, each congregation is very different. Some are more loving and tolerant than others. I am like other forum members here, who after attending meetings find it is so disturbing that I don’t feel it honors Jehovah to attend a meeting that is mixed with the worship of the GB. I feel real hatred is exhibited toward anyone not bowing to the Satanic agenda of masks and vaccines. But I also have heard some congregations are tolerable.
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I think you have the balance of the matter for the majority. Others struggle, finding it difficult to draw the line. It’s a difficult thing to pray for the correct stance to take when every fibre of body and conscience is pulled in opposing directions. I do not think, from what I have learned here, that Jehovah is in the business of giving yes/no answers to prayers. If my experience is recognisable to others, I seem to be blessed…or ‘tried’, take your pick, with subtle prods to consider and examine my motives. So subtle that I am left wondering if it was my thought or one given me. I have come to respect the process because I realise that I am responsible for my own growth. You cannot give something to Jehovah that you do not own, can you.
 
Medi-tator said:
So happy you found your tribe Ana! You are very much loved here by all!!
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Si, yo también os quiero!! Me late fuerte con vosotros
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I am very happy that you have found friends here and feel at home. It has given meaning to my life to. I never thought of it in terms of a tribe but you are absolutely right. It is. “The Tribe of the Lost Sheep”.
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Y qué buena tribu!! Me encanta
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I am very happy that you have found friends here and feel at home. It has given meaning to my life to. I never thought of it in terms of a tribe but you are absolutely right. It is. “The Tribe of the Lost Sheep”.
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Nadie mejor que tú para ponerle nombre. Mi perro favorito y su maravillosa narrativa!! Te rasco fuerte esa orejas!!! 😁😘
 
Ana said:
¡¡Si, yo también os quiero!! Me tarde fuerte con vosotros💗
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El traductor se volvió loco 😂😂😂 , lo expresa de otra forma, para ver si así lo traduce correctamente. Queria decir que el latir de mi corazon es mas fuerte con vosotros dos!! ❤️😁 Nunca use tantos sinónimos para hacerme entender. Como me esta haciendo crecer este foro...😂😂😘
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I always wondered about you name here, now I know….from the 1960s. The beach boys! I know exactly what you mean by your life just beginning. To have one‘s eyes opened is the ultimate value in life. Good for you. I’m really happy for you.
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yes, you are right BTD. I am trying to see myself in the paradise, as i was in my youth, - it gives me something to hang on to. My heart is still young, and as they say - 'hope springs eternal'. But I was wondering about your name - so let me guess, and then you tell me how close I get.
I think you have/ or did have a dog named Barnaby, and he was very intelligent, and listened to everything you said. He helped you come to many conclusions, just by listening, and - if you could possibly be a dog - you would want to be like him. So - tell me - was I close or way off base??
 
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surfergirl said:
But I was wondering about your name - so let me guess, and then you tell me how close get.
I think you have/ or did have a dog named Barnaby, and he was very intelligent, and listened to everything you said. He helped you come to many conclusions, just by listening, and - if you could possibly be a dog - you would want to be like him. So - tell me - was I close or way off base??
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@BARNABY THE DOG. Inquiring minds want to know! Me too! What made you decide to ditch Burt Reynolds and become Barnaby The Dog a few years back (or whenever you did that). If too personal, no need, but I am curious like Surfergirl. Thanks bro!
 
surfergirl said:
Just personally, I couldn't refer people to the jw website any more, since update #6 , when they started pushing the 'death jabs' - I felt I would be blood guilty. - so that left out meeting with the zoom group for service. Then I realized I couldn't make a helpful comment at meetings, without having an elder follow my comment with a 'clarifying' statement. [ I just can't keep neutral, or keep quiet] Then I realized the hypocrisy actually made my stomach really sick, so at that point, I thought I would try not going for a while, and then just go back, only to listen in. But it still gave me a sick feeling, and left me agitated and emotional [overly so]. My health is/was already a problem, along with age [73]. I just want peace in my life. I feel Jehovah has given me that, and much more. I really love reading the comments here, even when I'm not up to doing so myself.I especially enjoy watchman's comments and articles and videos that he leaves links to. I do still turn in a few hours of time - when requested, so I'm still considered an active pub [ who doesn't attend meetings] LOL -what a set up! 🤩 ha! BTW - I was baptized in '75. - In for 46 years. But my life is just now beginning! - It's never too late! - My heart is young. I feel I am where I need to be and Jehovah will help me to help others see the real truth, even if it is little by little.
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You 100% echo my feelings! I too would feel like I could become bloodguilty referring anybody to an org that is pushing the kill shots!
 
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@BARNABY THE DOG. Inquiring minds want to know! Me too! What made you decide to ditch Burt Reynolds and become Barnaby The Dog a few years back (or whenever you did that). If too personal, no need, but I am curious like Surfergirl. Thanks bro!
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Nothing very unusual. Robert messed with his site a while back. That’s fine if you know about computers but I am more at home sniffing lamp posts and peeing on parked cars. It took me many attempts to reconnect connect to Roberts site - my paws are very wide and my claws slide off the keys - during which I convinced all major computer programme providers that I was some sort of evil hacker out to expose the British government in their attempt to ban bowler hats from the London financial district, not to mention the fact that Boris Johnson had a holiday home in Russia at 1, Kremlin Drive, Moscow, and worse, wants to pass a law through Parliament that bans me from chasing cars. Also misdirected fan mail to Burt Reynolds, that I chewed up and used as bedding, was beginning to get sparse because his movies are so lame now. So I needed a change my details. Thus I thought it best to be honest, admit that I’m a dog albeit with an I Q of 41 (that is 2 points above that of a cabbage, or three points above that of a politician), and just hope that you lot can accept a dog that just happens to want to get into the kingdom. It’s open to all isn’t it? At least after that, Google had no problem in approving my password.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Nothing very unusual. Robert messed with his site a while back. That’s fine if you know about computers but I am more at home sniffing lamp posts and peeing on parked cars. It took me many attempts to reconnect connect to Roberts site - my paws are very wide and my claws slide off the keys - during which I convinced all major computer programme providers that I was some sort of evil hacker out to expose the British government in their attempt to ban bowler hats from the London financial district, not to mention the fact that Boris Johnson had a holiday home in Russia at 1, Kremlin Drive, Moscow, and worse, wants to pass a law through Parliament that bans me from chasing cars. Also misdirected fan mail to Burt Reynolds, that I chewed up and used as bedding, was beginning to get sparse because his movies are so lame now. So I needed a change my details. Thus I thought it best to be honest, admit that I’m a dog albeit with an I Q of 41 (that is 2 points above that of a cabbage, or three points above that of a politician), and just hope that you lot can accept a dog that just happens to want to get into the kingdom. It’s open to all isn’t it? At least after that, Google had no problem in approving my password.
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I do remember when you had struggles with your computer. Outstanding explanation(s) and reasoning(s) for pitching Burt and being true to your inner wolf! As Brother @MickHewitt would say, carry on BTD!
 
Medi-tator said:
@BARNABY THE DOG. Inquiring minds want to know! Me too! What made you decide to ditch Burt Reynolds and become Barnaby The Dog a few years back (or whenever you did that). If too personal, no need, but I am curious like Surfergirl. Thanks bro!
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This is a question I'd love to know the answer to.... Inquiring minds... and all that.....
 
LifeLearning said:
In lieu of a new website for this topic, Here is a new thread. I have taken it on myself to coin another acronym, Physically Out Scripturally Aware. (POSA) Let's discuss what it means to be PIMO Physically In Mentally Out, PISA Physically In Spiritually Aware, and what-ever other combination there may be.

The topic is "should I stay or should I go (in)?" the (in) is sort of a spin on the question, because for me I have never been in, but for most people here, the (in) is not relevant so it is in parenthesis.

I have posted a lot on this forum in the last 4 weeks. In that time the level of dots connected for me have been immense. My largest concern right now is finding good associations and to use my time wisely (Eph 5:15-20). Along with this, my next concern is that I doubt I would last a week without antagonizing (never my intent) the JW's I seek to know at the Hall.

There are certainly a lot of concerns in deciding to associate or not. This thread is 'on topic' for anything that is a question or answer or relevant thought about coming to a decision to stay, go, or go in.

I am squarely on the fence starting this off, for the reason that I know there is nowhere else to go. One minute I want to just go in and act diplomatic, the next minute I want to drive to the WT and walk around with a sign that says 'repent'.
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I hear you. I laugh because I don't want to cry. It's a dilemma for sure. I'm to the point where I can hardly read a watchtower let alone think about attending. It makes my head hurt.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
Nothing very unusual. Robert messed with his site a while back. That’s fine if you know about computers but I am more at home sniffing lamp posts and peeing on parked cars. It took me many attempts to reconnect connect to Roberts site - my paws are very wide and my claws slide off the keys - during which I convinced all major computer programme providers that I was some sort of evil hacker out to expose the British government in their attempt to ban bowler hats from the London financial district, not to mention the fact that Boris Johnson had a holiday home in Russia at 1, Kremlin Drive, Moscow, and worse, wants to pass a law through Parliament that bans me from chasing cars. Also misdirected fan mail to Burt Reynolds, that I chewed up and used as bedding, was beginning to get sparse because his movies are so lame now. So I needed a change my details. Thus I thought it best to be honest, admit that I’m a dog albeit with an I Q of 41 (that is 2 points above that of a cabbage, or three points above that of a politician), and just hope that you lot can accept a dog that just happens to want to get into the kingdom. It’s open to all isn’t it? At least after that, Google had no problem in approving my password.
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Well,- I wasn't off by too much, because you don't just want to be a dog, you have actually achieved it! Dogs are 'good people'! Many dogs will be in God's Kingdom! 🐶
 
Driven said:
Here is the thing I am realizing since this whole vaccine debacle, each congregation is very different. Some are more loving and tolerant than others. I am like other forum members here, who after attending meetings find it is so disturbing that I don’t feel it honors Jehovah to attend a meeting that is mixed with the worship of the GB. I feel real hatred is exhibited toward anyone not bowing to the Satanic agenda of masks and vaccines. But I also have heard some congregations are tolerable.
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This is true. We attended our first in-person meeting today (besides the memorial). No one said anything about masks, my husband had an extensive conversation with an elder about how we shouldn't be polluting our bodies with the jabs, how even the pcr test has cancerous elements and he was laid off work for not complying. Apparently the elder didn't say anything really, just looked a bit surprised.

I have been pimo since 2010, attended my last meeting in 2016. I still felt encouraged and biblically strengthed even though I was pimo. But this meeting was different. I feel so discouraged, so depressed after we left the hall. I came home and cried to my husband. I don't know why but I had such a bad feeling being there. The hall felt dead, cold. Not that some people weren't welcoming. But it is an older hall, at least 75% there had Grey hair and we were the only family with younger children, aside from one masked 4 yo. I think there was one other family on zoom. The hustle of children and happiness of babies and young couples was gone. I can't describe it really.

One sister gave a comment on how the 'counsel' she was given was to stop visiting with a sister who wasnt going to meetings anymore, stop wasting her time there and go out door to door. So she stopped helping this inactive sister in order to rack up ministry hours!! I was so disgusted and told my husband afterwards that in Jesus shepherd illustration the shepherd left everything to go after the lost sheep!! My husband said I should have commented that I didn't agree with the sister and the counsel she was given.
 
The trinity has duped billions of Christians and it actually destroys the ransom! With few exceptions here and there and considering the # of publications covering the subject, the Watchtower has probably been the largest opposition force against the Trinity in the world if not ever than at least for the last 140 years.

Critical times call for Matrix like maneuvers. No fun but necessary to dodge the confusion.
 
Dove08 said:
This is true. We attended our first in-person meeting today (besides the memorial). No one said anything about masks, my husband had an extensive conversation with an elder about how we shouldn't be polluting our bodies with the jabs, how even the pcr test has cancerous elements and he was laid off work for not complying. Apparently the elder didn't say anything really, just looked a bit surprised.

I have been pimo since 2010, attended my last meeting in 2016. I still felt encouraged and biblically strengthed even though I was pimo. But this meeting was different. I feel so discouraged, so depressed after we left the hall. I came home and cried to my husband. I don't know why but I had such a bad feeling being there. The hall felt dead, cold. Not that some people weren't welcoming. But it is an older hall, at least 75% there had Grey hair and we were the only family with younger children, aside from one masked 4 yo. I think there was one other family on zoom. The hustle of children and happiness of babies and young couples was gone. I can't describe it really.

One sister gave a comment on how the 'counsel' she was given was to stop visiting with a sister who wasnt going to meetings anymore, stop wasting her time there and go out door to door. So she stopped helping this inactive sister in order to rack up ministry hours!! I was so disgusted and told my husband afterwards that in Jesus shepherd illustration the shepherd left everything to go after the lost sheep!! My husband said I should have commented that I didn't agree with the sister and the counsel she was given.
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I'll agree that sounds a little harsh on the surface (and unsophisticated that she needs to be told) but if the real lost sheep is out in the field somewhere it was the right call. How can you or I really know? But I understand your frustration, I cringe when I hear those types of comments.
 
I would still go. It is easy to slide into apathy, which I have done. Once you leave you will find ever more reasons not to go back. Like I have. Obviously I cannot attend a church. Most of what Christendom teaches is utterly false. But at least witnesses have a framework of the "truth". I miss the brotherhood of like believers. I am on an island now. I reject the world but also reject Watchtower idolatry. Feel stuck. I want to go back, but I know I cannot embrace what will be required of me. Allegiance to every utterance of the governing body. It makes me ill.
 
Jim said:
I would still go. It is easy to slide into apathy, which I have done. Once you leave you will find ever more reasons not to go back. Like I have. Obviously I cannot attend a church. Most of what Christendom teaches is utterly false. But at least witnesses have a framework of the "truth". I miss the brotherhood of like believers. I am on an island now. I reject the world but also reject Watchtower idolatry. Feel stuck. I want to go back, but I know I cannot embrace what will be required of me. Allegiance to every utterance of the governing body. It makes me ill.
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Things have changed it seems at the Hall. Lisa-Lisa got reamed at the Memorial she attended to. I know it's not everywhere but it seems the love is in the process of cooling off.

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LifeLearning said:
PISA Physically In Spiritually Aware
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Chiming in here with my personal feelings at the moment. I feel very much like @Dorothea. I am feeling the desire to separate myself because the majority of what is taught at the meetings now conflicts with my conscience. But this is not easy. I have a lot of extended PIMI family who I cannot abandon. I am bonded to them. My immediate family is starting to resume in-person meetings, but I cannot force myself to do it. I did the memorial alone at home. My husband said people keep asking him where I am. Pre-pandemic I was the active one and he wasn't. I am attending via zoom and the last 2 Sunday talks have been very much pushing blind obedience to the GB. I am thinking they must have new outlines.

In today's talk we were told we need to separate from independent thinking, and just follow the slave, trust them, listen - obey and be blessed. Don't doubt them. If we doubt we are like the 10 spies who were seduced by lies of the nephilim being alive, and like the Israelites who doubted Moses' leadership as he led them to a seeming dead end. He said we are now being encouraged to attend in-person meetings to strengthen and motivate us to maintain our confidence in the slave... are we using zoom as an excuse to take it easy? If we don't need to be on zoom, we are being disobedient to direction. Last Sunday the speaker said "we are here at the kingdom hall because we were obedient and got our vaccines." So... it would be hard to be there in person and not be slapping my forehead. These were both visiting speakers, not local brothers, btw.

BUT... for the most part I have a very loving, caring and understanding congregation. I truly love my brothers and sisters and I don't feel the need to abandon them completely. I am working through how to navigate this situation. I am asking Jehovah to guide me, so I can do what is best for everyone involved.

I appreciate @BARNABY THE DOG's advice to take this time to be patient and contemplate, to gain insight to forge a new path. We each face different situations, so the path forward will look different for us all. I am keeping mostly silent with my family and congregation friends, for now. I am taking this time to unlearn, relearn, confirm what is truth, and with Jehovah's help I hope to make a proper defense when the time is right.
 
MuleJule said:
Chiming in here with my personal feelings at the moment. I feel very much like @Dorothea.
BUT... for the most part I have a very loving, caring and understanding congregation. I truly love my brothers and sisters and I don't feel the need to abandon them completely. I am working through how to navigate this situation. I am asking Jehovah to guide me, so I can do what is best for everyone involved.

I appreciate @BARNABY THE DOG's advice to take this time to be patient and contemplate, to gain insight to forge a new path. We each face different situations, so the path forward will look different for us all. I am keeping mostly silent with my family and congregation friends, for now. I am taking this time to unlearn, relearn, confirm what is truth, and with Jehovah's help I hope to make a proper defense when the time is right.
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I feel very similar to you MuleJule.
I'm also making sure of what I know at the moment to be able to make a defense at the right moment. I don't feel I can presently just go in person and just act like everything is fine, I feel I have to go all out, otherwise it could lead to compromise, and it really isn't a small thing. So I'm just staying on zoom until I know what to do.
The meetings have been quite overwhelming for me too lately. We had a talk on keeping awake at the meeting and I was just a sobbing mess. The memorial talk I had was so heartfelt and unscripted sounding. I've been so encouraged by the meetings at times, and then others not. I've become really close to some in the congregation, and I don't feel I would have coped without them. I'd been struggling as I've been trying to see everything as black and white and it just isn't the case with everything.
Since the memorial, a lot more people in my congregation went in person for the weekend meeting which I think was the GBs plan to get more people back in.
 
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TruthLover said:
I'm also making sure of what I know at the moment to be able to make a defense at the right moment. So I'm just staying on zoom until I know what to do.
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TruthLover said:
I've become really close to some in the congregation, and I don't feel I would have coped without them. I'd been struggling as I've been trying to see everything as black and white and it just isn't the case with everything.
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My sentiments too @TruthLover, it's not black & white. There are so many variables to consider, and so many people who matter. I am trying to see the big picture, not just how I see it, or feel about it. It's such a tricky balance, one I know I can't maintain without help from Jehovah. I pray that we are able to manage it. I'm glad you're here, and I'm here for you. If you want to talk, message me. 🥰
 
surfergirl said:
Just personally, I couldn't refer people to the jw website any more, since update #6 , when they started pushing the 'death jabs' - I felt I would be blood guilty. - so that left out meeting with the zoom group for service. Then I realized I couldn't make a helpful comment at meetings, without having an elder follow my comment with a 'clarifying' statement. [ I just can't keep neutral, or keep quiet] Then I realized the hypocrisy actually made my stomach really sick, so at that point, I thought I would try not going for a while, and then just go back, only to listen in. But it still gave me a sick feeling, and left me agitated and emotional [overly so]. My health is/was already a problem, along with age [73]. I just want peace in my life. I feel Jehovah has given me that, and much more. I really love reading the comments here, even when I'm not up to doing so myself.I especially enjoy watchman's comments and articles and videos that he leaves links to. I do still turn in a few hours of time - when requested, so I'm still considered an active pub [ who doesn't attend meetings] LOL -what a set up! 🤩 ha! BTW - I was baptized in '75. - In for 46 years. But my life is just now beginning! - It's never too late! - My heart is young. I feel I am where I need to be and Jehovah will help me to help others see the real truth, even if it is little by little.
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Totally agree with you.
Pointing anyone to the WT’s “program of salvation” would be like giving someone a boarding pass for the Titanic.
 
PJ54 said:
Things have changed it seems at the Hall. Lisa-Lisa got reamed at the Memorial she attended to. I know it's not everywhere but it seems the love is in the process of cooling off.

Hope you all have a good Memorial Tonight

Good Morning All! This Memorial will no doubt feel very different for many of us here on this forum in comparison to years past. Just wanted to wish you all a Wonderful evening commemorating the greatest Man who ever lived and the greatest sacrifice ever given. John 15:13 is one of my favorite...
e-jehovahs-witnesses.com e-jehovahs-witnesses.com
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