Pope Francis 😱

alan ford

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Hi Alan Ford, I am so glad you posted this and my description of it and my response to it is not to you but to the pope. His adherents call him “His Holiness” and they call the cardinals “His Excellence”, but the only thing they are excellent at is hypocrisy. So, I’m going to use my bible decoder ring to decipher in modern language what his message really is. If Catholics convert it is evangelize but if non-Catholics do it it is the bad “proselytize“. And since the Catholic church has been accused of accepting paganism then let’s add that label to the bad proselytize. Proselytize is PAGAN!!😲 But evangelize is christian!😇

Now let’s look at what the bible actually says. Oops! We don’t find proselytize nor evangelize in the NWT. Wow. However, we do find “proselytes” and “evangelizers”. Doesn’t having proselytes imply there were those who proselytized? Could they be the same as the evangelizers? Every bible comes complete with a decoder ring for hypocrisy and that is probably why the Catholics discourage bible reading. Sorry that was fun to me.
I agree they are hypocrites, they are like Pharisees. They like their rings kissed and enjoy their authority. They like to be called father. They leave a lot to be desired. Now regarding the word "proselyte", I've looked up in NWT and all of the occurences refer to those who converted to Judaism.

According to Strong's Concordance
Original Word: προσήλυτος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: prosélutos
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-ay'-loo-tos)
Definition: one who has arrived (at Judaism), a proselyte
Usage: (lit: that has come to), a proselyte, that is a non-Jew, who has been circumcised and has adopted the Jews' religion.
According to modern translation, a person who turns from some other religion to Christianity is a convert or proselyte.
In WT there is a quote from Catholic World Report which states: “Under the steady hammering of Orthodox complaints, ‘proselytism’ has taken on the connotation of forcible conversion.” It also says that witnesses do not practice it:
"Pressuring people to change their religion is wrong. Certainly, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not act in such a way.b Hence, they do not proselytize in the modern meaning of the word."

I guess his point was to let Holy Spirit work and draw people to God (or to Catolic church, as it may be in this case). I think it's about the way someone becomes a Christian (or Catholic in his case). Now it's a different story altogether whether they act according to what they preach...
In JW world there are a lot of parallels to this because they try to win over people with arguments and their knowledge of Bible. Basically weaponizing it. And once they start studying the indoctrination starts and in that way they become "subjugated." That doesn't leave a lot of room for Holy Spirit to work, does it?
You're right when you say it's not black and white, there is a lot to unpack here.
 

The God Pill

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Who do you trust more>? The pope or an educated scripturally proficient Jehovah's Witness? I already know the answer so I suppose this smacks of an insult. Are you really asking me to differentiate between proselytizing and evangelizing? Have we become that narrow?
Grab them and slap them upside the head with your current version of the King James and if they give thou any lip, slap them again.
Trust me, in the end this will be forgiven. Time is short but Satan has all the time in the world to abuse us.
I will not apologize for me evangelical efforts and I proselytize as much as God will allow me, given my fallen state. If all it took were a smack on the head to convert people to the correct Godly way of thinking, I would do it. It clearly takes more than that. Reason and love. Godly persuasion. Why should Jesus have to attract people to a kind, proper way of life? Do we not prefer wickedness as a species?
Time is short. Smack them upside the head with your New World Translation and apologize later. Preach while you still can and are allowed.
When they forbid preaching, I will be there in your face with God's word. I will be that old man with the sign "the end is near", except that I will have God's blessing to preach. He will protect me for a time and then it will be removed. Then we will see what we are made of.
The King James is plenty adequate for preaching and has done incalculable good for humanity. When I nitpick on translations and manuscripts its kind of like relativity approaching the speed of light all the effort in that last 1% toward unreachable goal. Just about any 📙 ⚔ is sharp enough to overturn there nonsense. I hope I get the pleasure of witnessing you evangelizing and proselytizing away in the service of our creator someday.
 

Charming Primrose

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You remind me of apostle Peter with you spirit 😊 I know and I feel the same sometimes, but ultimately God gave us free will and we have to respect that. Jesus said be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. There is more of them than us so I think this applies.

To be honest, to me it's not a matter of trust but wheter what is said is true. Jehovah has caused even his enemies to prophesy in the past, so I feel that the same could be case today.

I think what he argued is valid. We can't impose things on people. Just look at JW, once they get converted and initial love bombing subsides, they get baptized and then become the subject to org's rules and mandates. Whereas when we're led by Holy Spirit, we start producing its fruit and naturally become modeled after Christ.
Guilty 🙋🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🧘🏼‍♀️
 
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