Possible Evidence Watchtower Sold Out The Sheep

kirmmy

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I knew about this many years ago and they were invested in a couple of defence contractors back then. Raytheon, etc. They've got a real nerve asking for Sophia's ice cream money.

Luke 16:14,15

The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. 15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.
 

kirmmy

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I'm strolling through the list of stocks they presently own and there are a lot of slimy companies in there. Some big media companies, that are producing lots of the woke trash we see today; Viacom, Time/Warner, 20th Century Fox.

And these gems:

General Dynamics: When you positively, absolutely have to kill every person in that Afghani marriage ceremony.

Boeing: Makers of the Apache attack helicopter that are known for putting hellfire missiles up the wazzo of "known terrorists"

Northrop Grumman: Hey! They're making the new B21 Raider. Good for them!

and lets not forget Lockheed martin. Producers of the incomparable F35!

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Soul Sage

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Anyone that's in the stock market and has a financial planner. They buy those stocks not the individual person unless they call them up and say don't buy this blackrock stock or weapons manufacturing stock. Then you have ETF's which is a group of different stocks from various companies so some people don't even know what they are investing their retirement accounts in. To make such a claim that someone is in Satan's system of banking is very ignorant as the same can also be said about paying our taxes. We don't have any control over where our tax dollars go when it ends up making weapons of war and enriching corrupt people in our government who got the largest pay raises in the industry from the past few years the Biden administration was installed. We can't get out of the markets as that's a big part of the global economy.
 

evw

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Anyone that's in the stock market and has a financial planner. They buy those stocks not the individual person unless they call them up and say don't buy this blackrock stock or weapons manufacturing stock. Then you have ETF's which is a group of different stocks from various companies so some people don't even know what they are investing their retirement accounts in. To make such a claim that someone is in Satan's system of banking is very ignorant as the same can also be said about paying our taxes. We don't have any control over where our tax dollars go when it ends up making weapons of war and enriching corrupt people in our government who got the largest pay raises in the industry from the past few years the Biden administration was installed. We can't get out of the markets as that's a big part of the global economy.
And that makes up for what the WT does with our money intended for preaching? Just asking...
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Anyone that's in the stock market and has a financial planner. They buy those stocks not the individual person unless they call them up and say don't buy this blackrock stock or weapons manufacturing stock. Then you have ETF's which is a group of different stocks from various companies so some people don't even know what they are investing their retirement accounts in. To make such a claim that someone is in Satan's system of banking is very ignorant as the same can also be said about paying our taxes. We don't have any control over where our tax dollars go when it ends up making weapons of war and enriching corrupt people in our government who got the largest pay raises in the industry from the past few years the Biden administration was installed. We can't get out of the markets as that's a big part of the global economy.
This is guilt by association. It is also negligent with donations (to the extreme) both morally and spiritually, not to keep tabs on what such monies are being used for. If it were not the case, then why the parable of the Talents? That is investment of the word in its fruitage is it not? So what then, if given the Talent to invest in the Master’s work, it is spent foolishly, thrown onto stoney or “infertile” (inappropriate) ground? It has nothing to do with the economy, but everything to do with honesty, appropriate use, and in what manner “interest” is obtained. Regardless of this, since when has Jehovah’s word ever been dependant on money? Truly? If Russell ever spoke a word of truth, it was that if the funding dried up, it would be taken as a comment from Jehovah. Rutherford created the business side of watchtower. The latter day adherents took it to its extreme manifestation that we see today. It never had to be done that way. They chose to create the mess it is today and the close to corrupt it and side-step responsibility for money-making by the precise way that is mentioned here, spacing themselves from direct responsibility. Well, they certainly have deceived many, but not Jehovah. We cannot escape taxation usage, but the bible accounts for that. Give to Caesar that which is his. He spends it as he sees fit. Investments - that’s entirely different. EVW is correct.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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Anyone that's in the stock market and has a financial planner. They buy those stocks not the individual person unless they call them up and say don't buy this blackrock stock or weapons manufacturing stock. Then you have ETF's which is a group of different stocks from various companies so some people don't even know what they are investing their retirement accounts in. To make such a claim that someone is in Satan's system of banking is very ignorant as the same can also be said about paying our taxes. We don't have any control over where our tax dollars go when it ends up making weapons of war and enriching corrupt people in our government who got the largest pay raises in the industry from the past few years the Biden administration was installed. We can't get out of the markets as that's a big part of the global economy.
The difference is that the WT says specifically what VOLUNTARY DONATIONS are used for…but they are lying about this.
On the other hand, just as Barnaby said “We cannot escape taxation usage, but the bible accounts for that. Give to Caesar that which is his. He spends it as he sees fit. Investments - that’s entirely different.”
 

Jim

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The difference is that the WT says specifically what VOLUNTARY DONATIONS are used for…but they are lying about this.
On the other hand, just as Barnaby said “We cannot escape taxation usage, but the bible accounts for that. Give to Caesar that which is his. He spends it as he sees fit. Investments - that’s entirely different.”
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Soul Sage

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The difference is that the WT says specifically what VOLUNTARY DONATIONS are used for…but they are lying about this.
On the other hand, just as Barnaby said “We cannot escape taxation usage, but the bible accounts for that. Give to Caesar that which is his. He spends it as he sees fit. Investments - that’s entirely different.”

I don't think you realize how much of our tax dollars are circulated within the stock market. It's all manipulated. I used to think it was a separate thing. It's how money laundering has worked. And I believe the stock market is corrupt just as government is corrupt and our tax dollars misused. I rather not be involved in it but it's not a sin to be in the stock market. People rely on it for retirement and to stay above inflation. Same with Bethel. They probably make hundreds of thousands of dollars in passive income in dividends alone every year just for investing. That means they don't have to ask people for as much donations and they can be more self efficient with practically free money for them than to just sit on it as it continues to lose value from inflation.
 

Ms_ladyblue

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I don't think you realize how much of our tax dollars are circulated within the stock market. It's all manipulated. I used to think it was a separate thing. It's how money laundering has worked. And I believe the stock market is corrupt just as government is corrupt and our tax dollars misused. I rather not be involved in it but it's not a sin to be in the stock market. People rely on it for retirement and to stay above inflation. Same with Bethel. They probably make hundreds of thousands of dollars in passive income in dividends alone every year just for investing. That means they don't have to ask people for as much donations and they can be more self efficient with practically free money for them than to just sit on it as it continues to lose value from inflation.
So what do you do…not pay taxes? Talk about corruption…the whole system is corrupted, including watchtower.
 

kirmmy

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Anyone that's in the stock market and has a financial planner. They buy those stocks not the individual person unless they call them up and say don't buy this blackrock stock or weapons manufacturing stock. Then you have ETF's which is a group of different stocks from various companies so some people don't even know what they are investing their retirement accounts in. To make such a claim that someone is in Satan's system of banking is very ignorant as the same can also be said about paying our taxes. We don't have any control over where our tax dollars go when it ends up making weapons of war and enriching corrupt people in our government who got the largest pay raises in the industry from the past few years the Biden administration was installed. We can't get out of the markets as that's a big part of the global economy.
If I can look up what they are invested in then THEY can look up what they are invested it. If they can't control the fund (I heard they can't) then put their big-boy pants on and divest themselves of it. If it means walking away from it and getting nothing...well, what would Jesus say? But they have become money lovers and nothing will separate them from their shiny new god.

There's nothing we can really do about it. Everyone needs money to survive in this world. We are part of this world so God doesn't expect us to exempt ourselves and live out as hermits in a cave somewhere.
Yes but a corrupt person starts to pimp out his girlfriend, sells dope, robs liquor store, etc, etc, etc, because "everyone needs money to survive in this world". So yes, you can rely on Jehovah and do honest work and survive, He guarantees it. Or you can make weak excuses and do stuff that isn't approved by God and tell yourselves lies. They are the latter. They're just another greedy corporation and they run themselves like one.

But since you've brought it up, I realize I have to check on the few shekels I have invested and make sure there are no defence companies or other reprobates in those investments. I mostly have individual stocks but I have some Vanguard funds and I need to vet them more carefully. Don't want to be another WBTS.
 

Soul Sage

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If I can look up what they are invested in then THEY can look up what they are invested it. If they can't control the fund (I heard they can't) then put their big-boy pants on and divest themselves of it. If it means walking away from it and getting nothing...well, what would Jesus say? But they have become money lovers and nothing will separate them from their shiny new god.


Yes but a corrupt person starts to pimp out his girlfriend, sells dope, robs liquor store, etc, etc, etc, because "everyone needs money to survive in this world". So yes, you can rely on Jehovah and do honest work and survive, He guarantees it. Or you can make weak excuses and do stuff that isn't approved by God and tell yourselves lies. They are the latter. They're just another greedy corporation and they run themselves like one.

But since you've brought it up, I realize I have to check on the few shekels I have invested and make sure there are no defence companies or other reprobates in those investments. I mostly have individual stocks but I have some Vanguard funds and I need to vet them more carefully. Don't want to be another WBTS.

I have Vanguard stocks as well. Though some stocks within that stock may have companies you may not agree with even then they may be heavily correlated. That's why I say the whole market is manipulated. So it's either play their game or become reliant on government assistance and be powerless to their demands. Playing their game I have more options but when you become reliant on government assistance especially when you get older it's either obey or die.
 
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