"Putting [the GB] to the test"

[Robert194972]

The argument that Jehovah has used the WT to create a people for His name holds no water,

I'll have to agree with that statement. However it was/is part of Jehovah's purpose to "....turn his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." So can we not say that the WT is continuing with that "taking out of the nations" ( well maybe not now with the fake plandemic ) or at least gathering people into the house of the master via the preaching work?

 

[Robert194972]

Do you think the man of lawlessness will go and sit in a physical place? A temple of God? And if so, do you think the man of lawlessness will be sitting in Bethel or something, on an update or something similar?

I'm trying to understand what you mean there thanks!

"He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called God or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a God." 2 Thess-2:4 As you know/may not know? is that the temple of God are the anointed chosen ones. ) spiritual temple ) The "Man of lawlessness" is an importer planted by Satan. 9 "But the lawless one presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders." This "Man of Lawlessness" is a counterfeit Christian who sits among the chosen ones. ( in the spiritual temple of God ) at a physical place as you say at Bethel. At the headquarters of Jehovah's witnesses organization. Hope that helps?

 

[Posstot]

. . . JWs . . . a people for his name.

Yes, but in name only.

They know His name, but not what it stands for; they imagine that defending the God of truth with lies is pleasing to Him.

 

[Posstot]

The messsages to Christ's congregation(s) are just that, to his congregation just prior to his coming. They are instructed to repent, counciled for losing their first love, for not being hot or cold, but luke warm spiritually, for tolerating false teachers. They are also commended on various points. This is the Israel of God, not Babylon, that is why there are those spoken of as claiming to be Jews, but they are not. This is not speaking of literal fleshly Jews, but the Israel of God, the anointed.

If all Christians are to abandon Christ's congregation due to false teachers, bad elements, how do you explain those ones in chapter 3 who are among the few names found faithful in that congegation who are to walk with Jesus in white robes. It's obvious that these congregations spoken to are not the same as Babylon the great, the harlot responsible for shedding the blood of all the holy ones on the earth, who are Christ's congregation, and who have been slaughtered by the harlot, Babylon. That Babylon is to be completely destroyed and burned with fire.

Do you think that leaving a congregation that is run by those who tolerate Jezebel, holding fast the teaching of Balaam and practicing the deeds of the sect of Nicolaus equates to leaving Christ's congregation?

If you do - which you seem to - why did Jesus commend the rank and file members of the congregation of Ephesus for not tolerating their 'spirit appointed' but lying elders?

 

[Posstot]

. . . the preaching work?

In the years leading up to the Chancellorship of Hitler, when Germany was economically ruined and morally corrupted, with high crime rates and abject poverty, it was easy to get a hearing ear for the kingdom message.

But once he turned it around over night into a prosperous and law abiding, community oriented society, with no toleration of crime or corruption, the 'good news of the kingdom' became redundant, because the German people were already living in paradise, compared to only a few years prior to the economic miracle and moral rejuvenation.

A similar development might be immediately ahead of us, but on a global scale; at which time, when the revived beast has established 'God's kingdom on earth,' with the whole world following it with admiration, the real preaching of the good news of the kingdom taking place then will not go down so well, and will not be conducted by the WT.

 

[Posstot]

Yes, the temple or house of God is made up of anointed followers of Christ.

How can people who believe that their Lord has returned 107 years ago and appointed them over all His belongings, be anointed?

And not being anointed, how can they be His congregation?

 

[Robert194972]

A similar development might be immediately ahead of us, but on a global scale; at which time, when the revived beast has established 'God's kingdom on earth,'

You lost my bro. "The revived beast has established God's Kingdom on earth" I suspect you mean opposition to "God's Kingdom"?

 

[Posstot]

So, you are telling us that we should abandon Christ's congregation of 8 million brothers and sisters because of 8 men?

Yes, because those 8 million people are obeying men as rulers rather than God - the exact opposite of what genuine Christians are known for.

And besides, the 8 million are not anointed, and therefore no part of Christ's body, His congregation.

 

[Posstot]

You lost my bro. "The revived beast has established God's Kingdom on earth" I suspect you mean opposition to "God's Kingdom"?

No, they will have 8 billion enthusiastic and admiring followers, when they get their multicultural, no-hate, Marxist paradise going, that will deceive if possible even the chosen ones, that this is the very kingdom of God on earth - what chance have the rest of mankind got in escaping this strong delusion of the hour of test, that is to come upon the whole inhabited earth?

 

[Posstot]

While I agree that the governing body are like self appointed apostles, unlike some, I don't believe that they comprise the entire organization any more than the superfine apostles that Paul described as existing in the congregations the first century.

There is a difference between some superfine apostles having influence over a congregation of perhaps a hundred congregants, and the GB, who hold total control over the entirety of, what you call Christ's congregation, where they could ,and would, disfellowship all 8 million witnesses if they only as much as disagreed with them and their interpretations.

 

[Robert194972]

What is the point in claiming/bragging that you are worshipping Jehovah if he and Jesus view it in as in vain?

6 He said to them: “Isaiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites, as it is written, ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me.+ 7 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’+ 8 You let go of the commandment of God and cling to the tradition of men.”+

22 Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord,+ did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’+ 23 And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’+

As far as being recognized as a Christian, a Christian is one who follows/believes in Christ Jesus, not Jehovah.

32 “Everyone, then, who acknowledges me before men,+ I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens.+ 33 But whoever disowns me before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens.+

26 After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.+

18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.+ 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,+ baptizing them+ in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.+ And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”*+

trinity - the Christian Godhead as one God in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

5 For there is one God,+ and one mediator+ between God and men,+ a man, Christ Jesus,+ 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all*+—this is what is to be witnessed to in its own due time.

23 For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night+ on which he was going to be betrayed took a loaf, 24 and after giving thanks, he broke it and said: “This means my body,+ which is in your behalf. Keep doing this in remembrance of me.”+ 25 He did the same with the cup+ also, after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant+ by virtue of my blood.+ Keep doing this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”+ 26 For whenever you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord,+ until he comes.

Am I correct in saying that AchTung and Posstot are trinitarians?

 

[Robert194972]

No, they will have 8 billion enthusiastic and admiring followers, when they get their multicultural, no-hate, Marxist paradise going, that will deceive if possible even the chosen ones, that this is the very kingdom of God on earth - what chance have the rest of mankind got in escaping this strong delusion of the hour of test, that is to come upon the whole inhabited earth?

Fascinating story my bro. Maxist paradise Kingdom of God on earth. Sorry my bro cannot see that in the scriptures. Fascinating story indeed.

 

[CyndiaS]

Fascinating story my bro. Maxist paradise Kingdom of God on earth. Sorry my bro cannot see that in the scriptures. Fascinating story indeed.

I think he is describing the counterfeit version of God's Kingdom aka the NWO/Coalition of Nations deceiving the majority of mankind. ( obviously the word "Marxism" is not contained in the scriptures).

 

[Posstot]

Am I correct in saying that AchTung and Posstot are trinitarians?

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I appreciate your pointing out the good teachings that the WT has promoted, but without being disrespectful, this is like a car sales man highlighting all the marvelous features of a second hand car with a broken crankshaft, that he thinks is not a big problem in the overall value of the car, because if bad turns to worse, you can always hitch a pony in front of it and go; and besides, this is the only car, not only in his yard, but the whole town.

The explanation that all is good with the WT 'operation of error' because it was meant to be that way according to 2 Thes 2, does not fit very well, because of the 20k+ anointed that are misled by it, which tells us that thereby they cannot be Christ's congregation, precisely because Jesus said: 'If possible to mislead even the chosen ones.'

If they were chosen, they would not be mislead by the WT lies; and besides, the 'operation of error' that Jehovah 'lets go to them' is done in 'retribution,' to prevent them from getting 'saved,' that they might be 'judged to perish,' none of which applies to true anointed ones or the genuine Christian congregation, which is His body.

As to the good doctrines that the WT preaches, we need to remember that they sell it in a package, where salvation through their truth can only be attained by means of idolatry, by worshiping them as God's exclusive channel for salvation; talk about 'traversing sea and dry land to make converts for Gehenna twice as much so as themselves.'

Sorry for calling a spade a spade.

I had not seen that point before about the chosen ones not being mislead and those chosen ones within the congregations who clearly are. That rather screws somewhat with all those thousands of claimants to the title and worse, their judgement in self appraisal. I wonder if the call to be chosen supersedes that in some way. Is being chosen a state of being called that does not require a complete understanding of the truth? After all, we all see through a glass darkly the meanings and implications, depth and understanding, of the truths pertaining to Jehovah. Could it be a general call? The scripture says that ’many are called, but few are chosen’ therefore it must be reasonable to assume that the confirmation comes at a future point in time. A case in point is Saul/Paul of whom it was his intention to persecute early Christian’s, yet even in that wrongful state of mind during its delivery, he was given insight which completely changed his point of view. I,e., within the processes of his developing faith or belief. Mirror that to today, and we see brothers and sisters convinced of their calling, but still deluded - until the ‘manifestation‘ occurs. Thus that may fulfil the ’call of many’ - but those who see their fulfilment under the watchtower, are of the ‘many‘ who do not go forward to confirmation in their ‘calling’. Would the misleading then, only become apparent at the revelation, as it did with Paul? What do you think?

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Sure, when you first study with them. Then when you're baptized and become a member, those thoughts no longer apply.

1. Wt, 6/1/1967, pg 338,...in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to that very thing....
2. Wt, 8/1/1967, pg469, 470 It is true that some points are difficult to grasp at first, but instead of complaining or arguing about them...... it may be better to leave it alone for a while, waiting further clarification....we must avoid complaining even about small things....
3. Wt, 1/15/1983, pg 27,....some who point out that the organization has had to make some adjustments before, and so they argue: “This shows that we have to make up our own mind on what to believe.” This is independent thinking. Why is it so dangerous?
4. Wt, 3/1/1991, pg15, If we are Jehovah’s Witnesses, we should remember that our lives and others depend upon our obedience. Each Witness needs to keep pace with Jehovah’s organization.

I can't find the quote at the moment, but they stated that we don't need to do any independent research, that the FDS does all the research for us, all we need to do is read the publications.

RR

That’s a pretty emphatic rebuttal from watchtowers own mouth. Well found.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

I'd say it's probably about 100% unnanomous that most here don't believe the governing body are following the scriptures or teaching the truth or leading God's people in the way Jehovah and Jesus want them to go, particularly with regards to the experimental injections, the 1914 false parousia and their UN partnership as an NGO, and their harmful rdgulations for child abuse incidents within the org, as well as declarinb themselves faithful and discreet, when it is Jesus Christ who determines that, not men. We have thouroughly put them to the test on this forum, don't you agree?

The prophecies of Isaiah have a later fulfillment than just the physical nation of Israel. They apply to the anointed, the Israel of God in the last days before and at Christ's second coming. And these apply to the current situation in the ISRAEL OF GOD.

Woe to the wicked one! --Calamity; for the treatment rendered by his own hands will be rendered to him! As for my people, its task assigners* are dealing severely, and mere women actually rule over it. O my people, those leading you are causing you to wander, and the way of your paths they have confused." Isaiah 3:11, 12
(*footnote, task assingners: or "its government") (mere woman actually rule, 'it's too dangerous to go out and preach from house go house or on the street')

"Childish leaders oppress my people, and women rule over them. O my people, your leaders mislead you; they send you down the wrong road." Isa. 3:12 New Living Translation

"O Jehovah, your hand has become high, but they do not behold it. They will behold and be ashamed at the zeal for your people. Yes, the very fire for your own adversaries will eat them up. O Jehovah, you will adjudge peace to us, because even all our works you have performed for us." Isa 26:11

"O Jehovah our God, other masters besides you have acted as owners of us. By you only shall we make mention of your name. They are dead; they will not live. Impotent in death, they will not rise up. Therefore you have turned your attention that you might annihilate them and destroy all mention of them." Isa 26:13, 14

Out of their own mouths. The watchtower appear to make their hypocrisy plain for everyone to see.

 

[Posstot]

I had not seen that point before about the chosen ones not being mislead and those chosen ones within the congregations who clearly are. That rather screws somewhat with all those thousands of claimants to the title and worse, their judgement in self appraisal. I wonder if the call to be chosen supersedes that in some way. Is being chosen a state of being called that does not require a complete understanding of the truth? After all, we all see through a glass darkly the meanings and implications, depth and understanding, of the truths pertaining to Jehovah. Could it be a general call? The scripture says that ’many are called, but few are chosen’ therefore it must be reasonable to assume that the confirmation comes at a future point in time. A case in point is Saul/Paul of whom it was his intention to persecute early Christian’s, yet even in that wrongful state of mind during its delivery, he was given insight which completely changed his point of view. I,e., within the processes of his developing faith or belief. Mirror that to today, and we see brothers and sisters convinced of their calling, but still deluded - until the ‘manifestation‘ occurs. Thus that may fulfil the ’call of many’ - but those who see their fulfilment under the watchtower, are of the ‘many‘ who do not go forward to confirmation in their ‘calling’. Would the misleading then, only become apparent at the revelation, as it did with Paul? What do you think?

The anointing involves a once for all, and complete enlightening with the Holy Spirit into the fundamental truth of God's word, where 'new light' can never contradict, but only elaborate on what has already been shown, to wit: 'but as the anointing from Him is teaching you about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, remain in union with Him.' Heb 6:4; 1 Jno 2:27,28

The calling and choosing, which is the anointing, once given, cannot be called off; there is no point of return, no probationary anointing, no partial or provisional birth of the Spirit - it is either Heaven or Gehenna; but to be misled simply means that one is not anointed, because according to Jesus, it is not possible for the anointed to be misled, although they can fall away into perdition.

Can people who mistakenly think they are anointed, but are misled as regards important truths, be anointed at the last minute when Jesus arrives?

I doubt it, because the whole purpose of the anointing is for a life long growing, testing and refining process of the chosen ones, who like Jesus, are typically selected before birth, 'before they had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works' - as the WT imagines, with their 'replacement theory' for newly anointed ones - 'but upon the One who calls,' in order that 'no one might have grounds for boasting before Jehovah,' who does these things, known from of old. Ro 9:11

 

[Bklyn Kevin]

I had not seen that point before about the chosen ones not being mislead and those chosen ones within the congregations who clearly are. That rather screws somewhat with all those thousands of claimants to the title and worse, their judgement in self appraisal. I wonder if the call to be chosen supersedes that in some way. Is being chosen a state of being called that does not require a complete understanding of the truth? After all, we all see through a glass darkly the meanings and implications, depth and understanding, of the truths pertaining to Jehovah. Could it be a general call? The scripture says that ’many are called, but few are chosen’ therefore it must be reasonable to assume that the confirmation comes at a future point in time. A case in point is Saul/Paul of whom it was his intention to persecute early Christian’s, yet even in that wrongful state of mind during its delivery, he was given insight which completely changed his point of view. I,e., within the processes of his developing faith or belief. Mirror that to today, and we see brothers and sisters convinced of their calling, but still deluded - until the ‘manifestation‘ occurs. Thus that may fulfil the ’call of many’ - but those who see their fulfilment under the watchtower, are of the ‘many‘ who do not go forward to confirmation in their ‘calling’. Would the misleading then, only become apparent at the revelation, as it did with Paul? What do you think?

I think you're right on point when you said "only become apparent at the revelation, as it did with Paul?

Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence.

2 Thessalonians 2:8​

so sometime during Jesus's presence the lawless one will be revealed and Jesus will blow him away with a breath of his mouth, now that the Lawless one is gone it stands to reason that the true sons of God will be refined and revealed in its proper time.

 

[RR144]

Can people who mistakenly think they are anointed, but are misled as regards important truths, be anointed at the last minute when Jesus arrives?

Sounds like one of those deathbed conversions, where an individual is dying, accepts Christ as his Lord and Savior and goes straight to heaven. No, I don't think so.

Are there people who mistakenly think they are anointed? Sure. I've seen it, witnessed it. As John stated "They went out from among us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have surely remained with us." 1 John 2:19. Consider too that there are those were called, accepted the call, but not chosen. Jesus stated, “For many are invited, but few are chosen.” (Matthew 22:14) Not to mention those who were called, accepted and then rejected due to not meeting the requirements. Our Lord Himself stated in regards to the anointed; "False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." (Matthew 24:24).

RR

 

[RR144]

I'll have to agree with that statement. However it was/is part of Jehovah's purpose to "....turn his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name." So can we not say that the WT is continuing with that "taking out of the nations" ( well maybe not now with the fake plandemic ) or at least gathering people into the house of the master via the preaching work?

What the Society has done is profane His name with their usurping of Christ authority.

RR

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

The anointing involves a once for all, and complete enlightening with the Holy Spirit into the fundamental truth of God's word, where 'new light' can never contradict, but only elaborate on what has already been shown, to wit: 'but as the anointing from Him is teaching you about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, remain in union with Him.' Heb 6:4; 1 Jno 2:27,28

The calling and choosing, which is the anointing, once given, cannot be called off; there is no point of return, no probationary anointing, no partial or provisional birth of the Spirit - it is either Heaven or Gehenna; but to be misled simply means that one is not anointed, because according to Jesus, it is not possible for the anointed to be misled, although they can fall away into perdition.

Can people who mistakenly think they are anointed, but are misled as regards important truths, be anointed at the last minute when Jesus arrives?

I doubt it, because the whole purpose of the anointing is for a life long growing, testing and refining process of the chosen ones, who like Jesus, are typically selected before birth, 'before they had practiced anything good or vile, in order that the purpose of God respecting the choosing might continue dependent, not upon works' - as the WT imagines, with their 'replacement theory' for newly anointed ones - 'but upon the One who calls,' in order that 'no one might have grounds for boasting before Jehovah,' who does these things, known from of old. Ro 9:11

I though, understood that ‘many being called, as the scripture said is in two stages. Look at it this way. One job, three applicants. If that is not the case, why would the scripture exclude those whom have been called but did not measure up. It appears from those who are found worthy at the time, did not prove so under test, or did not stay in the race so to speak. The bible is littered with people of whom were called upon to serve Jehovah‘s purpose, but who failed. Jonah, David etc.

I not sure. I see the calling as more of an application process, where faithful people are called upon to serve. The job though, or calling, is to be found worthy of their assignment surely? Some do not stay the course as the bible illustrates. The bible also speaks in terms of worthy people, being beaten for their laxity with few - or many strokes (death) for those who are negligent. So there is a degree of acceptance within boundaries it seems. As the bible says, Jehovah wants all to be saved, and as no human is the same as another in faith, then surely there are degrees of acceptability within the scope of their understanding. Thus the scripture says of those called, many will not be chosen. Therefore it is one thing to be called, but another to be given a place. I assume this scripture is speaking about those who are called to be anointed? Am I wrong in my thinking there?

 

[JTK]

I appreciate your pointing out the good teachings that the WT has promoted, but without being disrespectful, this is like a car sales man highlighting all the marvelous features of a second hand car with a broken crankshaft, that he thinks is not a big problem in the overall value of the car, because if bad turns to worse, you can always hitch a pony in front of it and go; and besides, this is the only car, not only in his yard, but the whole town.

The explanation that all is good with the WT 'operation of error' because it was meant to be that way according to 2 Thes 2, does not fit very well, because of the 20k+ anointed that are misled by it, which tells us that thereby they cannot be Christ's congregation, precisely because Jesus said: 'If possible to mislead even the chosen ones.'

If they were chosen, they would not be mislead by the WT lies; and besides, the 'operation of error' that Jehovah 'lets go to them' is done in 'retribution,' to prevent them from getting 'saved,' that they might be 'judged to perish,' none of which applies to true anointed ones or the genuine Christian congregation, which is His body.

As to the good doctrines that the WT preaches, we need to remember that they sell it in a package, where salvation through their truth can only be attained by means of idolatry, by worshiping them as God's exclusive channel for salvation; talk about 'traversing sea and dry land to make converts for Gehenna twice as much so as themselves.'

Sorry for calling a spade a spade.

Never apologise for calling a spade a spade Posstot
but make sure it is a spade before you call it one
i've been off line a bit so apologies if i am repeating what others may have said

so lets start with your conclusion that the MOL could not possiby be a danger to the "genuine" anointed ones because Christ said "if possible" when refering to false Christs's
it begs the question why bother to warn them?
if the anointed are beyond deception by the MOL why would it be of any cosequence to the anointed ones
and what about the reference Paul uses with regard to the MOL giving a direct link into the chosen of Jehovah
"the SON of perdition"
Paul invokes Judas Iscariot one of the chosen of Christ as an identifying mark of the MOL
and which temple do you think Paul identifies the MOL seated within
in V 4 he explains that it is Gods temple not an earthly man made temple , a fake made by man, as i think you suggest, but the body of Christ, the spiritual Temple of Jehovah
so i guess its debatable who the anointed ones will actually be in these times who will wake up and who will stay under the spell when the MOL is revealed but i think scripture is clear that the MOL emerges from within the anointed as Judas Iscariot did and is found proclaiming himself to be the true anointed
the GB as a man fit the description quite well i would say.

So just as you call a spade a spade, i also, when i see one do so
and i see A MOL sitting in Gods temple proclaiming himself to be God having misdirected many with words and letters refering to 1914 as the date that kingdom of God was established with the invisible presence of Christ.
this fits exactly the message that Paul warned of but probably had zero information and undersatnding with regard to the absolute power that the MOL would weild over the house of God
and if we consider that the only way for that to happen would be for Jehovah to allow the anointed to gather under one roof, that of the WTO, for a purpose of preaching the good news of the Kingdom and then allow a MOL to seed and grow among the Chosen ones just as Judas was allowed for a specific purpose i.e the betrayal of Christ to sit among the Chosen disciples
then it makes sense that Paul would not have the full story when he wrote to the Thessalonians and he would not be aware of the magnitude of the effect of the MOL with regard to the Temple of God
unless of course you are right and its not really the Temple of God that he is refering to but a man made version designed to fool mankind intio thinking the kingdom of God has come
and yet psalm 2 aptly describes how they react to such a Kingdom to rule the earth.
not kindly as you seem to suggest
John

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

never feel sorry for speaking what you believe to be the truth Posstot.
i have respect for people who call a spade a spade its the characteristic of a true Israelite according to Jesus
i think the thrust of your point is that God would never be found promoting an organisation with truth mixed with lies.
i would suggest you read rev 2 and 3
however i believe Robert answers that question in a more knowledgeable manner than i possibly can in his commentaries
my basic view point is
why would Paul even bother writing 2 thess to the anointed if they were not in danger of being spiritually seduced by the MOL.
Paul is specific in his identification of where the danger comes from 2 thess 2 v 1,2,3
he uses the phrase "as from us" with regard to those who promote the day of Christ is at hand and he speaks about the revealing of "the son of perdition" invoking the role of Judas Iscariot
so If truth was not going to be compromised within the organisation that Jehovah was using to deliver the gospel to mankind why write about it, why the need to warn the anointed of what was coming?
true you could argue that the anointed should not be fooled and Paul spoke as though they would not be because of His warning

like i said earlier
who has delivered the message of the kingdom to mankind to the extent that the WTO has, and if i understand correctly you believe that this is a false message, then who is delivering the genuine one as Christ commanded must be done and then the end would come?
i see nobody apart Jws
john



Never apologise for calling a spade a spade Posstot
but make sure it is a spade before you call it one
i've been off line a bit so apologies if i am repeating what others may have said

so lets start with your conclusion that the MOL could not possiby be a danger to the "genuine" anointed ones because Christ said "if possible" when refering to false Christs's
it begs the question why bother to warn them?
if the anointed are beyond deception by the MOL why would it be of any cosequence to the anointed ones
and what about the reference Paul uses with regard to the MOL giving a direct link into the chosen of Jehovah
"the SON of perdition"
Paul invokes Judas Iscariot one of the chosen of Christ as an identifying mark of the MOL
and which temple do you think Paul identifies the MOL seated within
in V 4 he explains that it is Gods temple not an earthly man made temple , a fake made by man, as i think you suggest, but the body of Christ, the spiritual Temple of Jehovah
so i guess its debatable who the anointed ones will actually be in these times who will wake up and who will stay under the spell when the MOL is revealed but i think scripture is clear that the MOL emerges from within the anointed as Judas Iscariot did and is found proclaiming himself to be the true anointed
the GB as a man fit the description quite well i would say.

So just as you call a spade a spade, i also, when i see one do so
and i see A MOL sitting in Gods temple proclaiming himself to be God having misdirected many with words and letters refering to 1914 as the date that kingdom of God was established with the invisible presence of Christ.
this fits exactly the message that Paul warned of but probably had zero information and undersatnding with regard to the absolute power that the MOL would weild over the house of God
and if we consider that the only way for that to happen would be for Jehovah to allow the anointed to gather under one roof, that of the WTO, for a purpose of preaching the good news of the Kingdom and then allow a MOL to seed and grow among the Chosen ones just as Judas was allowed for a specific purpose i.e the betrayal of Christ to sit among the Chosen disciples
then it makes sense that Paul would not have the full story when he wrote to the Thessalonians and he would not be aware of the magnitude of the effect of the MOL with regard to the Temple of God
unless of course you are right and its not really the Temple of God that he is refering to but a man made version designed to fool mankind intio thinking the kingdom of God has come
and yet psalm 2 aptly describes how they react to such a Kingdom to rule the earth.
not kindly as you seem to suggest
John

I pretend not to know what a spade is. Saves me a lot of gardening duties.

 

[Ach Tung]

You said "A Christian is one who follows/believes in Christ Jesus, not Jehovah."

So we shouldn't follow/believe/worship Jehovah, the Father?

Do you believe the trinity represents the true God?

How is defining what the term Christian is, claiming that we shouldn't worship Jehovah?

Jehovah has appointed Jesus to be king of his kingdom until the time he hands it back to him. Our recognizing Jesus' position is a crucial part in our worshipping/following/believing Jehovah.

5 While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud+ said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.+ Listen to him.”+

21 Jesus said to him: “If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven;+ and come be my follower.”+

26 After he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year they assembled with them in the congregation and taught quite a crowd, and it was first in Antioch that the disciples were by divine providence called Christians.+

28 But A·gripʹpa said to Paul: “In a short time you would persuade me to become a Christian.”

18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.+ 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations,+ baptizing them+ in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,

4 One body there is,+ and one spirit,+ just as you were called to the one hope+ of your calling; 5 one Lord,+ one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

32 “Everyone, then, who acknowledges me (Jesus) before men,+ I will also acknowledge him before my Father who is in the heavens.+ 33 But whoever disowns me (Jesus) before men, I will also disown him before my Father who is in the heavens.+

28 In answer Thomas said to him (Jesus): “My Lord and my God!”+

31 But these have been written down so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.+

27 He answered them: “I told you already, and yet you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? You do not want to become his disciples also, do you?” 28 At this they scornfully told him: “You are a disciple of that man, but we are disciples of Moses. 29 We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where he is from.” 30 The man answered them: “This is certainly amazing, that you do not know where he is from, and yet he opened my eyes. 31 We know that God does not listen to sinners,+ but if anyone is God-fearing and does his will, he listens to this one.+ 32 From of old it has never been heard that anyone opened the eyes of one born blind. 33 If this man were not from God, he could do nothing at all.”+ 34 In answer they said to him: “You were altogether born in sin, and yet are you teaching us?” And they threw him out!+ 35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and on finding him, he said: “Are you putting faith in the Son of man?” 36The man answered: “And who is he, sir, so that I may put faith in him?” 37 Jesus said to him: “You have seen him, and in fact, he is the one speaking with you.” 38 He said: “I do put faith in him, Lord.” And he bowed down to him.


Atheist (and others such as Buddhist, etc.) do not believe in Jehovah nor Jesus
Jew's claim that Jehovah is their God but deny Jesus
Muslim's claim that Jehovah is their God but deny Jesus
Christians who believe in Jesus (Jehovah is Salvation) and that he is the son of Jehovah God
Christians who believe in Jesus (Jehovah is Salvation) and that he is Jehovah God