Questions

[Watchman]

A reader emailed me four questions and asked me to post them here. I don't have time right now to post anything, but maybe later. Feel free to have a crack at them.

1. Why did the disciples ask Jesus to "show us the Father" when they had to know about the experience of Moses and Elijah?
What did they want to see and especially why? (John 14:8,9)

2. Will some people who lived before the flood ("unrighteous") be resurrected? (except Abel and Enoch) (Acts 24:15) (like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah)

3. Are the 4 angels of Rev. 7:1-3 and Rev. 9:13-18 the same? Why was it enough for the first to simply say not to harm and the second had to be bound?

4. After the great tribulation is shortened / after its "interruption" for 3.5 times, the beast with GB on its back will kill 2 JWs and then turn to GB.

Question: Who do these 4 angels at the Euphrates represent? Isn't their binding and loosing related to Rev. 17:16,17?

(Who is the beast led/controlled by? Couldn't it also be the angels of the SD ???)

(... the ten horns, and the wild beast, these hate the harlot, to carry out [their] purpose, so that the words of God might be fulfilled...)

 

[lflynn22]

could the angel carrying the seal ascending be Jesus? and the second scripture i think means the sealing of the 144000. but i am not sure about Revelation 7:1​

Revelation 7:1​

After this I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding tight the four winds of the earth, so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.

Revelation 7:2​

And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise, having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3​

saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.”

Revelation 13:12​

It exercises all the authority of the first wild beast in its sight. And it makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first wild beast, whose mortal wound was healed.

Revelation 13:12 i think the 8th king to come. i need to read all this again.​

 

[MickHewitt]

A reader emailed me four questions and asked me to post them here. I don't have time right now to post anything, but maybe later. Feel free to have a crack at them.

1. Why did the disciples ask Jesus to "show us the Father" when they had to know about the experience of Moses and Elijah?
What did they want to see and especially why? (John 14:8,9)

2. Will some people who lived before the flood ("unrighteous") be resurrected? (except Abel and Enoch) (Acts 24:15) (like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah)

3. Are the 4 angels of Rev. 7:1-3 and Rev. 9:13-18 the same? Why was it enough for the first to simply say not to harm and the second had to be bound?

4. After the great tribulation is shortened / after its "interruption" for 3.5 times, the beast with GB on its back will kill 2 JWs and then turn to GB.

Question: Who do these 4 angels at the Euphrates represent? Isn't their binding and loosing related to Rev. 17:16,17?

(Who is the beast led/controlled by? Couldn't it also be the angels of the SD ???)

(... the ten horns, and the wild beast, these hate the harlot, to carry out [their] purpose, so that the words of God might be fulfilled...)

What an interesting post. I look forward to understanding half of the questions: Not that I feel competent to answer but what does SD stand for? The questioner must be an avid reader of the site to deem us knowledgeable enough to answer such questions. Interesting the reader is not a member, If you are reading this could you become one, you have an incredible scriptural appetite. I am truly humbled: to pose such questions you must be an interesting scholar of scripture? Please come on board and share that insight. There is more pleasure in giving than receiving.

 

[a believer]

I look forward to understanding half of the questions

I didn't understand the questions, either. Or at least what the context is with them. As you mentioned, it would probably be much more helpful if the person was posting these, so others can get a better idea of what is being asked with these questions.

Not that I feel competent to answer but what does SD stand for?

At first glance, I thought this was a reference to the Second Death, but am only guessing here.

—Timothy,
a believer.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

What an interesting post. I look forward to understanding half of the questions: Not that I feel competent to answer but what does SD stand for? The questioner must be an avid reader of the site to deem us knowledgeable enough to answer such questions. Interesting the reader is not a member, If you are reading this could you become one, you have an incredible scriptural appetite. I am truly humbled: to pose such questions you must be an interesting scholar of scripture? Please come on board and share that insight. There is more pleasure in giving than receiving.

Thanks for the laugh Mick. I’m in the same boat but was too embarrassed to say so! I’m waiting to find out what others say. It’s rather strange to abbreviate the second death to SD I thought! Life is brief enough without a reducing it all the more!! Mind you, perhaps it was Salad Dressing!

 

[Joseph Stephan]

A reader emailed me four questions and asked me to post them here. I don't have time right now to post anything, but maybe later. Feel free to have a crack at them.

1. Why did the disciples ask Jesus to "show us the Father" when they had to know about the experience of Moses and Elijah?
What did they want to see and especially why? (John 14:8,9)

2. Will some people who lived before the flood ("unrighteous") be resurrected? (except Abel and Enoch) (Acts 24:15) (like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah)

3. Are the 4 angels of Rev. 7:1-3 and Rev. 9:13-18 the same? Why was it enough for the first to simply say not to harm and the second had to be bound?

4. After the great tribulation is shortened / after its "interruption" for 3.5 times, the beast with GB on its back will kill 2 JWs and then turn to GB.

Question: Who do these 4 angels at the Euphrates represent? Isn't their binding and loosing related to Rev. 17:16,17?

(Who is the beast led/controlled by? Couldn't it also be the angels of the SD ???)

(... the ten horns, and the wild beast, these hate the harlot, to carry out [their] purpose, so that the words of God might be fulfilled...)

There's a test on Friday.

Must get them ALL right to pass the grade, or you will have to attend summer school.

 

[Ana]

Yo le hice todas las preguntas a la IA. Ajajajajaj. Estoy atareada con la mudanza, el nuevo idioma, francés por cierto, me trae de cabeza. Así que cedí ante la vía rápida y las repuestas fueron de lo más interesante. La IA me felicitó por hacer unas preguntas tan interesantes. Ajajajaj... gracias a ella también entendí la primera pregunta. Tras buscar el consejo bíblico estoy en el pensamiento de que los apóstoles querían con la pregunta que le hicieron a Jesús tener la oportunidad de validad la presencia de Jehová como prueba en la misma forma que lo hicieron Moises y Elias, vivir la misma experiencia.

 

[Patricia]

SD: I read it as Satan the Devil

 

[a believer]

SD: I read it as Satan the Devil

That's a valid one, as well.

Really need the person to be here to be more clear, I guess.

—Timothy,
a believer.

 

[lflynn22]

i wonder what the timer means.

 

[lflynn22]

 

[lflynn22]

Yo le hice todas las preguntas a la IA. Ajajajajaj. Estoy atareada con la mudanza, el nuevo idioma, francés por cierto, me trae de cabeza. Así que cedí ante la vía rápida y las repuestas fueron de lo más interesante. La IA me felicitó por hacer unas preguntas tan interesantes. Ajajajaj... gracias a ella también entendí la primera pregunta. Tras buscar el consejo bíblico estoy en el pensamiento de que los apóstoles querían con la pregunta que le hicieron a Jesús tener la oportunidad de validad la presencia de Jehová como prueba en la misma forma que lo hicieron Moises y Elias, vivir la misma experiencia.

John 14:9​

Jesus said to him: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also. How is it you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

 

[BagdadBill]

(Who is the beast led/controlled by? Couldn't it also be the angels of the SD ???)
Ultimately, Satan controls the beast as I understood it.
4. I'm not sure about. Does he mean Great Britain or the Governing Body?

 

[lflynn22]

(Who is the beast led/controlled by? Couldn't it also be the angels of the SD ???)
Ultimately, Satan controls the beast as I understood it.
4. I'm not sure about. Does he mean Great Britain or the Governing Body?

maybe great Britain its a bit confusing but great Britain joins USA after the mortal head wound and they become the 8th king. cant be sure i need to read it again.

The Eighth King

______________ “And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also itself an eighth king, but springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction.” -Revelation 17:11-

e-watchman.com

The King of the North Will Come All the Way to His End

Part three of the second study article I realize it may be discouraging for Jehovah’s Witnesses to consider the information presented on this site. It is hard for many to comprehend or accept that the Governing Body could

e-watchman.com

 

[lflynn22]

 

[Revvzone]

A reader emailed me four questions and asked me to post them here. I don't have time right now to post anything, but maybe later. Feel free to have a crack at them.

1. Why did the disciples ask Jesus to "show us the Father" when they had to know about the experience of Moses and Elijah?
What did they want to see and especially why? (John 14:8,9)

2. Will some people who lived before the flood ("unrighteous") be resurrected? (except Abel and Enoch) (Acts 24:15) (like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah)

3. Are the 4 angels of Rev. 7:1-3 and Rev. 9:13-18 the same? Why was it enough for the first to simply say not to harm and the second had to be bound?

4. After the great tribulation is shortened / after its "interruption" for 3.5 times, the beast with GB on its back will kill 2 JWs and then turn to GB.

Question: Who do these 4 angels at the Euphrates represent? Isn't their binding and loosing related to Rev. 17:16,17?

(Who is the beast led/controlled by? Couldn't it also be the angels of the SD ???)

(... the ten horns, and the wild beast, these hate the harlot, to carry out [their] purpose, so that the words of God might be fulfilled...)

Question 1. Answer.
The disciples' where seeking proof same as doubting Thomas.
John 14:8-9 this inquiry stemmed from their desire for a more tangible connection to God... Despite having witnessed Jesus perform miracles and teach about the Father, they sought direct assurance and visual confirmation of God's presence.. This sort of proof may arise during christs' presence. Demanding an experience similar to what Moses had when he encountered God on Mount Sinai or what Elijah experienced being whisped away in a chariot of fire.

Question 2. Answer
Yes there will be a resurrection.
According to Acts 24:15, there is an implication that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

Question 3. Answer
The four angels in Revelation 7:1-3 and 9:13-18 are generally understood to be different in purpose and context. The first set of angels is tasked with sealing the servants of God, indicating a protective role, while the second set plays a part in executing divine judgment. The difference in their commands relates to their roles: the first simply instructs not to harm the earth, while the second set, being bound, signifies a more active role in specific executions of God's judgment as part of the apocalyptic events described.

Question 4. Answer
The four angels at the Euphrates represent powers that are both spiritual and political, indicating a broader cosmic struggle between good and evil. Their binding and loosing relates to the unfolding of judgment and the restraint of evil forces, and other echoing themes in Revelation 17:16-17, where the ten horns and the beast play a role in God's plan. The beast is often interpreted as a representation of oppressive political systems or empires driven by forces contrary to God, are influenced by demonic entities. All these elements must collide for the culmination for battle of Armageddon to take place which will desolve the elements or the entire foundation of this demonic and human system of things.

The assertion that they could be connected to the angels mentioned in the Second Death (SD) relates to the ongoing spiritual conflict. "A Bulwark" Thus, the control or strategic influence of the beast over these events reflect the underlying spiritual battle with unseen enemy's that unfolds throughout Revelation.

 

[lflynn22]

SD: I read it as Satan the Devil

i thought about using AI for this quiz but it didn't feel right i should know these answers.

 

[Patricia]

i thought about using AI for this quiz but it didn't feel right i should know these answers.

Don't beat yourself up, so many things we don't know. My guess was probably wrong. What Revvzone replied above kinda makes more sense.

 

[lflynn22]

Don't beat yourself up, so many things we don't know. My guess was probably wrong. What Revvzone replied above kinda makes more sense.

that's why we are all here by Jehovah's blessing.

Proverbs 22:19​

For your confidence to be in Jehovah, I am giving you knowledge today.

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Proverbs 2:6​

For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; From his mouth come knowledge and discernment.

Deuteronomy 28:2​

All these blessings will come upon you and overtake you, because you keep listening to the voice of Jehovah your God:

Isaiah 38:7​

This is the sign from Jehovah to show you that Jehovah will carry out the word that he has spoken:

 

[a believer]

Don't beat yourself up, so many things we don't know. My guess was probably wrong. What Revvzone replied above kinda makes more sense.

One of the problems that jumped out at me is that the place where a person begins with some of these questions will affect the answer they are looking for. The question on "show us the Father" means something very different between a Witness and a Trinitarian, for example. We might answer one way, and the Trinitarian will then try to "catch" us, because they asked a (loaded question).

The other questions have similar contextual problems which make it challenging to answer, because we've no point of reference to their present religious leaning. In my opinion.

—Timothy,
a believer.

 

[lflynn22]

One of the problems that jumped out at me is that the place where a person begins with some of these questions will affect the answer they are looking for. The question on "show us the Father" means something very different between a Witness and a Trinitarian, for example. We might answer one way, and the Trinitarian will then try to "catch" us, because they asked a (loaded question).

The other questions have similar contextual problems which make it challenging to answer, because we've no point of reference to their present religious leaning. In my opinion.

—Timothy,
a believer.

reminds me of how they tried to trick question Jesus about taxes. not that brother Robert was trying to trick us with these questions but more importantly of how sharp Jesus was and how we need to follow his example more than ever in a world such as today.

Mark 12:17​

Jesus then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” And they were amazed at him.

John 2:22​

When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this, and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken.

Proverbs 1:4​

To impart shrewdness to the inexperienced; To give a young man knowledge and thinking ability.

Deuteronomy 4:9​

“Just be careful and watch yourself closely, so that you may not forget the things that your eyes have seen and so that they may not depart from your heart all the days of your life. You must also make them known to your sons and to your grandsons.

1 Peter 1:13​

So brace up your minds for activity; keep your senses completely; set your hope on the undeserved kindness that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

​

 

[lflynn22]

A reader emailed me four questions and asked me to post them here. I don't have time right now to post anything, but maybe later. Feel free to have a crack at them.

1. Why did the disciples ask Jesus to "show us the Father" when they had to know about the experience of Moses and Elijah?
What did they want to see and especially why? (John 14:8,9)

2. Will some people who lived before the flood ("unrighteous") be resurrected? (except Abel and Enoch) (Acts 24:15) (like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah)

3. Are the 4 angels of Rev. 7:1-3 and Rev. 9:13-18 the same? Why was it enough for the first to simply say not to harm and the second had to be bound?

4. After the great tribulation is shortened / after its "interruption" for 3.5 times, the beast with GB on its back will kill 2 JWs and then turn to GB.

Question: Who do these 4 angels at the Euphrates represent? Isn't their binding and loosing related to Rev. 17:16,17?

(Who is the beast led/controlled by? Couldn't it also be the angels of the SD ???)

(... the ten horns, and the wild beast, these hate the harlot, to carry out [their] purpose, so that the words of God might be fulfilled...)

John 14:26​

But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.

Numbers 15:40​

This will help you remember, and you will observe all my commandments and be holy to your God.

 

[Revvzone]

Question 1. Answer.
The disciples' where seeking proof same as doubting Thomas.
John 14:8-9 this inquiry stemmed from their desire for a more tangible connection to God... Despite having witnessed Jesus perform miracles and teach about the Father, they sought direct assurance and visual confirmation of God's presence.. This sort of proof may arise during christs' presence. Demanding an experience similar to what Moses had when he encountered God on Mount Sinai or what Elijah experienced being whisped away in a chariot of fire.

Question 2. Answer
Yes there will be a resurrection.
According to Acts 24:15, there is an implication that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

Question 3. Answer
The four angels in Revelation 7:1-3 and 9:13-18 are generally understood to be different in purpose and context. The first set of angels is tasked with sealing the servants of God, indicating a protective role, while the second set plays a part in executing divine judgment. The difference in their commands relates to their roles: the first simply instructs not to harm the earth, while the second set, being bound, signifies a more active role in specific executions of God's judgment as part of the apocalyptic events described.

Question 4. Answer
The four angels at the Euphrates represent powers that are both spiritual and political, indicating a broader cosmic struggle between good and evil. Their binding and loosing relates to the unfolding of judgment and the restraint of evil forces, and other echoing themes in Revelation 17:16-17, where the ten horns and the beast play a role in God's plan. The beast is often interpreted as a representation of oppressive political systems or empires driven by forces contrary to God, are influenced by demonic entities. All these elements must collide for the culmination for battle of Armageddon to take place which will desolve the elements or the entire foundation of this demonic and human system of things.

The assertion that they could be connected to the angels mentioned in the Second Death (SD) relates to the ongoing spiritual conflict. "A Bulwark" Thus, the control or strategic influence of the beast over these events reflect the underlying spiritual battle with unseen enemy's that unfolds throughout Revelation.

By the way.
It should be noted, Revelation' depiction of the Harlot or Babylon the  Great sitting atop the wild beast after the great tribulation is shortened / after its "interruption" for 3.5 times, is the limited duration for the world's upheaval is the time for the killing of two witnesses in Revelation 11, where two prophets are martyred for their witness during this tumultuous time. Which symbolizes a temporary victory over God's chosen. Which Immeaditly brings about their resurrection, signifying God's ultimate victory over evil. Which means doomsday for human evildoers and prison for Satan and his hordes.

 

[SusanB]

I have looked at this thread several times but I just haven’t taken the time to do any research and I’m not clear on what the person asking the question is really looking for. But I thought I’d take a jab at the first question, while I have a little energy left at the end of today. If you look at John 14:1-9 it becomes clear that Jesus was encouraging their faith in Jehovah and their faith in him. He knew he would have to die, which would be something that would challenge their faith and they didn’t really understand that at this point. But you must add in that because they were Jews and had the Law of Moses, they were well acquainted with the account of the visions of Moses, Elijah and Isaiah. It was specifically Philip that asked to see Jehovah. I can only guess that he wanted to experience a vision of Jehovah in the same way that Moses did. It makes sense to me because it is immediately following Jesus telling his apostles to exercise faith in the Father and that they would have places ready for them where Jesus was going to (heaven). So, for Philip to say “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us” indicates to me that Philip was expressing a desire to experience something supernatural to shore up his faith. I can understand that because who would not want to be eye-witnesses of a miracle? Philip was not just a disciple but he was one of the earliest apostles and even though they were not yet anointed by Holy Spirit, they were in line for it and so I can only guess that perhaps they realized they were in line to be adopted by Jehovah and felt a desire to see Him.

 

[SusanB]

Regarding the third question, “Are the 4 angels of Rev. 7:1-3 and Rev. 9:13-18 the same? Why was it enough for the first to simply say not to harm and the second had to be bound?”, it appears to me that these are the same 4 angels. The wording is symbolic and so I doubt they were actually “bound” like with handcuffs or ropes. But, because they had been given instructions to not harm, the earth, the sea, or the trees until the anointed are sealed, I would say they were “bound” meaning obligated to hold back from fulfilling their assignment until the Chosen Ones are sealed. Of course I don’t know Greek or the actual wording there. It would just be symbolic language in the same way, the angels pour out the 7 bowls of anger. Obviously, you cannot contain anger in a bowl and then pour it out. You cannot be too literal with the descriptions. The way I understand Revelation 19:13-18 is that when the angels are given the “all clear”, they then do not spare the earth, the sea and the trees but these are then included in the destruction.