Returning To Its Vomit- 2 Pet 2v22

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Paz said:
... as Robert says in bible prophesy judgement starts with the ‘house of God’ so the organisation will be attacked by Gog primarily the anointed (who are all put to death)
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Perhaps their death comes from the COVID "vaccine" and boosters that they are so happy to get.
 
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יהוה_saves said:
Now WT mask rule, right on cue- further stifles already inhibited communication.
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(2 Corinthians 13:12) Greet one another with a holy kiss.
(Romans 16:16) Greet one another with a holy kiss.
(1 Thessalonians 5:26) Greet all the brothers with a holy kiss.
(1 Peter 5:14) Greet one another with a kiss of love.

You can't do that with a mask on. :)
 
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יהוה_saves said:
@KevinB

we can never know how many checked and compared the holy scriptures to the unscriptural rule by fiat that the Gov Body created for itself- like you said- the only way to know if any anointed brothers are checking and comparing the scriptures is when they speak out- yet when they do they’re silenced, or compelled to face a struggle session (judicial committee) and disfellowed.

It’s a near perfect system to inhibit communication. Now WT mask rule, right on cue- further stifles already inhibited communication.

The way some of these brothers and sisters deal with it is by leaking internal WT correspondence, acting as whistle blowers relating anecdotal experiences and observations to at least shine a light on the corruption.

Hopefuly faithful brothers and sisters find their way here or find alternative ways to convey scriptural truth, and the stark reality that the Gov Body, its legal team, corporate officers, helpers, COs and elders that uphold its unscriptural fiat rule, have turned the WT into the foretold apostate center of false worship that would develop immediately prior to Christ’s second coming.

thank you for the WT references and citations. para 12 - i see they’re still attaching their legitimacy to the 1914/1919 hoax. This can’t last much longer- their bucket of whitewash must be drying up by now. There will be no double-overlap of generations- it’s got to be a bridge too far even for the most indoctrinated JW.

Do you think the Gov Body reads this forum?
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Thanks. What's interesting is how a governing body of 2012 retroactively declared the anointed Bible Students taking the lead in 1914-19 is the faithful slave appointed by Christ and then transitioned that to equal the governing body. This is laughable! Think about it, those brothers from 1914-1919 are all DEAD and so they would NOT be on hand when Christ comes. If that's the case then why would Jesus appoint them to the faithful slave? Makes zero sense, but the brothers just closed their minds and said Amen to their new bishops

What the GB are really saying is the OFFICE of the governing body was appointed back in 1919 and that each successive member appointed to the GB is hand picked by Christ. It is a type of succession to the apostles, but by divine appointment.

So they really did return to the vomit that came out of the mouths of the bishops in the 3rd century 🤮

You know what is really interesting, "brother" Losch supposedly left the Catholic church because of the teaching of the Apostolic Succession.
He is the ring leader in the apostacy of the GB.

*** w14 7/15 p. 19 Losing a Father—Finding a Father ***
Losch - "When I visited the priest, he could not answer my questions, but he pulled from his shelf a book on Catholic doctrine that dealt with apostolic succession. I took it home, as he suggested, read it, and returned with more questions. Finally the priest, not being able to answer my questions, said: “I cannot convince you, and you cannot convince me. . . . I wish you the best!” He did not want to have any more discussions with me."

When I questioned my elders and the governing body about this change in the faithful slave repeatedly 9+ years ago, guess what they ended up telling me a few years later - 'We will not here you any more on this matter'. And yes, I was disfellowshipped for my pursuit of answers on this subject and for accusing the GB of promoting a sect.

It was a purge, plain and simple.
 
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xrt469 said:
I have been giving thought to the Harlot of Rev17-19. I think it may represent ALL organized religion, including the CCJW. Even an organization that Jehovah himself designed (Israel) was eventually ruined when humans got in the middle of things. Jeremiah 10:23 doesn't just apply to human governments. All structures where humans take the lead end up looking the same. Even though WT rejects having a clergy class, they have instituted one in every meaningful way. Printed words don't change reality. I think Rev18:4 will apply to the CCJW, too.
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Any whorship related interaction with human governments is spiritual fornication. All religions including WT went to human governments to ask for permission to worship God. Initially WT was a publishing Corp. But then became state approved religion. Christians keep their interaction with human governments as far as admin matters. Beyond that it's not biblical.
"And Jesus said to them, “Pay to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were utterly amazed at Him."
Mark 12:17
"Pay to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; respect to whom respect; honor to whom honor."
Romans 13:7

Back to the roman times the emperor was considered god, and he expected his subjects to give him both the honour and the tax. When Christians started to give the honour to Jehovah the emperor started to become jealous and we know what happened to them.
It was emperor Constantine who mixed first Christian faith into the state and then forced anyone to accept that abnormality which is state religion.

Apostle John identified the prostitute in the revelation as the city of Rome. And he *said to me, “The waters which you saw where the prostitute sits are peoples and multitudes, and nations and languages. The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
Revelation 17:15‭, ‬18 .
If you follow the course of history you will see that the roman empire adopted christianity and eventually became The today Romano catholic church which is based in Rome at Vatican. This religious institution grew strong and for long time controlled the world through different European powers. They also continued to teach pagan doctrines and follow pagan and roman traditions. They even used the same oppression techniques as the bloodthirsty roman empire.
God does not accept such institution.

God told his people to flee out of "Babylon" this church empire that caused so much suffering. "The Lord has bared His holy arm In the sight of all the nations, So that all the ends of the earth may see The salvation of our God. Depart, depart, go out from there, Do not touch what is unclean; Go out of the midst of her, purify yourselves, You who carry the vessels of the Lord."Isaiah 52:10‭-‬11
“Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive any of her plagues; for her sins have piled up as high as heaven, and God has remembered her offenses.
Revelation 18:4‭-‬5

Although many other protestant movements left the catholic church, " Babylon the great", only Jehovah's witnesses listened to God's comand not to touch anything on their way out while fleeing.
As for all the others, they took many or perhaps some of the pagan doctrines and traditions from the catholic church with them of which God says it spoils the pure worship.

Jesus also answered to Pilate “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.” Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this purpose I have been born, and for this I have come into the world: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice.”
John 18:36‭-‬37
My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
John 10:27‭-‬29
 
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Truth_Seeker said:
Any whorship related interaction with human governments is spiritual fornication. All religions including WT went to human governments to ask for permission to worship God. Initially WT was a publishing Corp. But then became state approved religion. Christians keep their interaction with human governments as far as admin matters. Beyond that it's not biblical.
"And Jesus said to them, “Pay to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they were utterly amazed at Him."
Mark 12:17
"Pay to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; respect to whom respect; honor to whom honor."
Romans 13:7
Back to the roman times the emperor was considered god, and he expected his subjects to give him both the honour and the tax. When Christians started to give the honour to Jehovah the emperor started to become jealous and we know what happened to them.
" Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.” Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this purpose I have been born, and for this I have come into the world: to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice.”
John 18:36‭-‬37
My sheep listen to My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
John 10:27‭-‬29
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Whorship....titter...very apt!
 
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"Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron and said, “Go, sacrifice to your God within the land.” But Moses said, “It is not permissible for us to do so, because we will sacrifice to the Lord our God that which is an abomination to the Egyptians. If we sacrifice that which is an abomination to the Egyptians before their eyes, will they not stone us? We must go a three days’ journey into the wilderness and sacrifice to the Lord our God, just as He commands us.”
Exodus 8:25‭-‬27

"And their dead bodies will lie on the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified."
Revelation 11:8
 
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Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help And rely on horses, And trust in chariots because they are many And in horsemen because they are very strong, But they do not look to the Holy One of Israel, nor seek the Lord! Yet He also is wise and will bring disaster, And does not retract His words, But will arise against the house of evildoers, And against the help of the workers of injustice. Now the Egyptians are human and not God, And their horses are flesh and not spirit; So the Lord will stretch out His hand, And any helper will stumble, And one who is helped will fall. And all of them will come to an end together.
Isaiah 31:1‭-‬3
 
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Sunshower said:
I think they have a committee appointed to keeping an eye on what they deem dangerous. The e-watchman site sure falls into that category 😁
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There is always danger for people who tell the truth….even for those who just think it, if watchtower standards are anything to go by. But if we are to expect danger for telling the truth at least there is some honour in it.
 
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All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen and welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed if they had been thinking of that country which they left, they would have had opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.
Hebrews 11:13‭-‬16
 
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KevinB said:
Thanks. What's interesting is how a governing body of 2012 retroactively declared the anointed Bible Students taking the lead in 1914-19 is the faithful slave appointed by Christ and then transitioned that to equal the governing body. This is laughable! Think about it, those brothers from 1914-1919 are all DEAD and so they would NOT be on hand when Christ comes. If that's the case then why would Jesus appoint them to the faithful slave? Makes zero sense, but the brothers just closed their minds and said Amen to their new bishops

What the GB are really saying is the OFFICE of the governing body was appointed back in 1919 and that each successive member appointed to the GB is hand picked by Christ. It is a type of succession to the apostles, but by divine appointment.

So they really did return to the vomit that came out of the mouths of the bishops in the 3rd century 🤮

You know what is really interesting, "brother" Losch supposedly left the Catholic church because of the teaching of the Apostolic Succession.
He is the ring leader in the apostacy of the GB.

*** w14 7/15 p. 19 Losing a Father—Finding a Father ***
Losch - "When I visited the priest, he could not answer my questions, but he pulled from his shelf a book on Catholic doctrine that dealt with apostolic succession. I took it home, as he suggested, read it, and returned with more questions. Finally the priest, not being able to answer my questions, said: “I cannot convince you, and you cannot convince me. . . . I wish you the best!” He did not want to have any more discussions with me."

When I questioned my elders and the governing body about this change in the faithful slave repeatedly 9+ years ago, guess what they ended up telling me a few years later - 'We will not here you any more on this matter'. And yes, I was disfellowshipped for my pursuit of answers on this subject and for accusing the GB of promoting a sect.

It was a purge, plain and simple.
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Kevin wrote “Think about it, those brothers from 1914-1919 are all DEAD and so they would NOT be on hand when Christ comes. If that's the case then why would Jesus appoint them to the faithful slave? Makes zero sense, but the brothers just closed their minds and said Amen to their new bishops”

I’ve thought about it Kevin as you requested and have discovered the answer: This comes under McSplanes argument for “extendable generations”. We are to assume then, that the witnesses who saw 1914, will actually be on hand when Christ arrives because of the brothers they knew in 1914, met the brothers who became the parents of the brothers in the GB now, who may be on hand when Christ comes for the third time, but if not, then brothers they met will be, so in fact, those that saw 1914, will be in hand when Christ‘s kingdom comes! (See: One Hundred Impossible Scriptures McSplaned. Ch2. Page 101. Fable and Fable. London. 2017).
 
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Zane said:
The day you were born, you were nine months old.
So it doesn't mark the beginning of life anyway.
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Well Zane, it would be rather alarming manners to celebrate the day of one’s conception, especially in front of your parents. It would be worse still for you (if it could be) for your parents to celebrate the same with you. Can you imagine the conversation with your parents inviting you for a party, and their friends, beer in hand….”wait for it, wait for it, son.…waaaaait for iiiit YES! Happy birthday son!!!” And then they all sit down and go to sleep. Sometimes there is a reason why these celebrations are shifted to a more convenient and becoming time. My sister was born 14 February 1946, so everyone knew what father and mother were up to on VE Day. It wasn’t just the end of the war they celebrated.
 
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kenmuldoon55 said:
Bible isn’t very clear on the whole birthday celebration thing.
Christmas has become a commercialized day where many families find it convenient to get together and eat a meal and watch football.
Most holidays have reverted into such.
Get togethers and meals with no particular emphasis on religion.
Can’t see Jehovah condemning to eternal damnation such ones.
I guess if you view it as a pagan ritual and then do it, it’s a sin.
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It's generally viewed that the feasts of Job's children were birthdays a few translations render it that is certainly not an interpretation watchtower's keen on entertaining. As a custom it certainly has accreted pagan elements over millenia that can be shed without treating the concept as Yule or Samhein or something. Pagan/Occult holiday calendar below
 

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KevinB said:
Thanks. What's interesting is how a governing body of 2012 retroactively declared the anointed Bible Students taking the lead in 1914-19 is the faithful slave appointed by Christ and then transitioned that to equal the governing body. This is laughable! Think about it, those brothers from 1914-1919 are all DEAD and so they would NOT be on hand when Christ comes. If that's the case then why would Jesus appoint them to the faithful slave? Makes zero sense, but the brothers just closed their minds and said Amen to their new bishops

What the GB are really saying is the OFFICE of the governing body was appointed back in 1919 and that each successive member appointed to the GB is hand picked by Christ. It is a type of succession to the apostles, but by divine appointment.

So they really did return to the vomit that came out of the mouths of the bishops in the 3rd century 🤮

You know what is really interesting, "brother" Losch supposedly left the Catholic church because of the teaching of the Apostolic Succession.
He is the ring leader in the apostacy of the GB.

*** w14 7/15 p. 19 Losing a Father—Finding a Father ***
Losch - "When I visited the priest, he could not answer my questions, but he pulled from his shelf a book on Catholic doctrine that dealt with apostolic succession. I took it home, as he suggested, read it, and returned with more questions. Finally the priest, not being able to answer my questions, said: “I cannot convince you, and you cannot convince me. . . . I wish you the best!” He did not want to have any more discussions with me."

When I questioned my elders and the governing body about this change in the faithful slave repeatedly 9+ years ago, guess what they ended up telling me a few years later - 'We will not here you any more on this matter'. And yes, I was disfellowshipped for my pursuit of answers on this subject and for accusing the GB of promoting a sect.

It was a purge, plain and simple.
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exactly- what you describe is exactly what took place and right under the noses of JWs- in fact i once heard during a Zoom field service group some pioneers discussing who their favorite GB member is.

It’s just astonishing how the org seemlessly transitioned to an authoritarian sect - and yes if anyone ever questioned/s it they’re summarily disfellowed.

They had the mechanism for this already in place- the same mechanism that enables child molestérs to flourish with impunity- knowing the only punishment he will ever face is perhaps they won’t speak to him for six months - then he’s reinstated (IF he is even disfellowed) and the cycle begins again.

In fact, JWs aren’t even allowed to question what goes on in a struggle session (judicial committee) so the congregation never learns about the danger in their midst. It’s just astonishing. And JWs vigorously defend this unjust system of stifling communication.
 
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