Returning to The Kingdom Hall.

SusanB said:
Its good to know that other brothers and sisters are seeing the signs of idolatry. The lapel pins with jw.org on them really are akin to wearing a cross. They are worn at meetings with other witnesses and in my view intend to convey the message of just how dedicated one is to the Org that they want a visible sign not unlike a flag pin or cross pin or fish sign.
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It's a "to whom do I belong" pin. They are "JW dot Org" idolaters. I refer to the logo as a spiritual tramp stamp.
 
SusanB said:
Its good to know that other brothers and sisters are seeing the signs of idolatry. The lapel pins with jw.org on them really are akin to wearing a cross. They are worn at meetings with other witnesses and in my view intend to convey the message of just how dedicated one is to the Org that they want a visible sign not unlike a flag pin or cross pin or fish sign.
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Me and 3 other sisters used to visit a bethel somewhere and make a holiday of it. One of the sisters bought us all one of those JW pin badges, I was the only one who couldn't bring myself to wear it 🤐
 
I think if I go back, I will make sure every one and anyone who talks to me will know reason I left, and haven't been back is because of the obvious GB worship/Idolatry. And I will end it by saying, the Covid fiasco proved it for any one actually awake! Think about this...the GB shut down the Kingdom Halls in the first place. And used Roman's 13...the scripture they have always said, we only obey if it doesn't beak God's law...and then they use the apostles telling the Sanhedrin, when they were trying to get them to stop preaching about Jesus, "we obey God as ruler rather than men." Well JW's obey the GB rather than Jehovah! Because it wasn't government who shut down the Kingdom Halls it was MEN!!! The GB!!!


This thread reminds me of something we have always been taught. If we stop going to meetings, then "we're taking it out on Jehovah." Now I realize how much control Satan actually has over the org. That and "wait on Jehovah." Yeah as I haven't pointed out, "waiting on Jehovah" is going to prove to be for some people the biggest mistake of their lives. Why? Well, it reminds me of a talk where the brother said something about someone saying something like, "can't I support the work by proxy, by donating?" And the answer was something like, "yeah, if you're OK, if 'life' is given out by proxy." Well, "waiting on Jehovah" is the same principle. If we know they are committing wrong doing, and we do nothing, well...."get out of her my people if you do not want to share in her sins..."

I'm not saying you shouldn't attend meetings if that's what you want to do, and if you can stand them, then by all means, all I am really saying is if you can't then don't feel bad, you have very good reason and don't let the delusional influence Satan has on the Org, continue to fool you.
 
When I finally left in 2013 it was before I knew about the operation of error and the teaching of 1914s invisible Parousia was wrong. I did realize at the time that the GB had gone apostate and they were part of the man of lawlessness. I couldn't stomach all the idolatrous worship of the GB it was flagrant in all the prayers opening and closing the meetings. The control they had over everyone's scripted comments, it was no longer the from their hearts. This was not the religion I was baptized into in 1980. Plus everyone was generally not happy, they seemed like sheep being led to the slaughter. Oh there were some that smiled and were friendly, but most everyone I knew well didn't stay after the meetings and socialize as they use to. People just had to leave and get on with their lives. But the spiritual adultery of the org with the UN and the WT being an NGO was so obviously wrong and people didn't seem to know but when I mentioned it to the elders they shrugged it off as nothing of significant. They didn't care, they had full trust and confidence that the FDS knew what they were doing and nothing was wrong. Going to meetings became very depressing for me and no longer brought me joy. So I made my fade and attended my last meeting at the end of 2013. I could never go back to the meetings with all that I know now.
 
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Alot of talks lately have been about trusting direction from the faithful and discreet slave the GB. I verify before trusting still. There is no perfect organization, they are all flawed. You have to overlook the flaws and take things with a grain of salt.
 
Soul Sage said:
Alot of talks lately have been about trusting direction from the faithful and discreet slave the GB. I verify before trusting still. There is no perfect organization, they are all flawed. You have to overlook the flaws and take things with a grain of salt.
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That’s true. Ordinarily there is always room for forgiveness and charity in that regard, but in this case, we should perhaps ask ourselves whether our decisions to overlook these watchtower transgressions (to put it lightly) is in fact an act of condoning their actions. The command has always been to “get out of her my people” and so that puts upon us that a degree of discernment is required from us in that those of discernment are required to act - rather than tolerate, overlook (transgression) or to not perceive motive, if we wish to demonstrate our understanding through loyalty. In fact, putting up with it is not dissimilar to a battered woman hoping her husband will change. Why does she stay? The motives are numerous, usually one of sacrifice to her children, but the outcome - has it ever been good? Only if the perpetrator sees the error of his ways and wishes to change because he understands what he is. As the scripture points out that as his very existence is destined to be one of opposition, we are told that this is not going to happen.

We are all flawed in our service to Jehovah. When has our putting up with our flaws ever been acceptable to Jehovah, and the more-so, if we choose to overlook them in ourselves? We are told to “endure” the trial of self correction; to be constantly upon the watch, not only for the kingdom, but against ourselves and our own proclivities. If it took the sacrifice of Christ for us to be given a way back, then clearly there must be an active desire in us to discern what is required of us. It begs the question; is our degree of tolerance an indicator of and in, the values in our faith? What measure are we verifying our faith with?
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
That’s true. Ordinarily there is always room for forgiveness and charity in that regard, but in this case, we should perhaps ask ourselves whether our decisions to overlook these watchtower transgressions (to put it lightly) is in fact an act of condoning their actions. The command has always been to “get out of her my people” and so that puts upon us that a degree of discernment is required from us in that those of discernment are required to act - rather than tolerate, overlook (transgression) or to not perceive motive, if we wish to demonstrate our understanding through loyalty. In fact, putting up with it is not dissimilar to a battered woman hoping her husband will change. Why does she stay? The motives are numerous, usually one of sacrifice to her children, but the outcome - has it ever been good? Only if the perpetrator sees the error of his ways and wishes to change because he understands what he is. As the scripture points out that as his very existence is destined to be one of opposition, we are told that this is not going to happen.

We are all flawed in our service to Jehovah. When has our putting up with our flaws ever been acceptable to Jehovah, and the more-so, if we choose to overlook them in ourselves? We are told to “endure” the trial of self correction; to be constantly upon the watch, not only for the kingdom, but against ourselves and our own proclivities. If it took the sacrifice of Christ for us to be given a way back, then clearly there must be an active desire in us to discern what is required of us. It begs the question; is our degree of tolerance an indicator of and in, the values in our faith? What measure are we verifying our faith with?
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Los testigos de Jehová tienen anulada la capacidad de discernir, además bajo coacción, porque cualquier pensamiento diferente a la directiva es perseguido y aniquilado de la sala. Les será muy difícil seguir la advertencia de Jesús: use discernimiento el lector y no podrán reconocer la apostasía de pie en un lugar Santo. Jesús no advierte, use discernimiento el Cuerpo Gobernante, termino que no aparece siquiera en la Biblia, por cierto, dice claramente "el lector". Por lo tanto, cualquiera que posea una Biblia podrá captar el sentido se esa advertencia, si usa ese discernimiento, cuando estudia personalmente el conocimiento que lleva a la vida eterna, por amor a la verdad. Todo el sistema actual de enseñanza donde incluyas la interpretación Bíblica, es un texto adaptado por hombres con sus preguntas que puedes responder usando el texto establecido. No existe el discernimiento, solo la repetición. Eso anula el discernimiento. Por eso cuando le preguntas a un Testigo De Jehová cualquier duda te dirá, ve al JW Broadcasting y tendrás la respuesta. En definitiva, ellos creen lo que dice el Cuerpo Gobernante, ya no te dirigen a la Biblia. Y esa es, su idolatría, proclamar que Jesús está aquí o allí o en 1914, esperando en el corto espacio de tiempo de más de 100 años, engañados, como bien advirtió también Jesús.
 
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