Revelations 12 Sign/Woman Of The Apocalypse

Given

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Been thinking about the sign and what it means for Jehovahs people?! Could it perhaps be an inspection or a spiritual birth of the anointed? Many astrologers seem to be in unison about the sign happening in the year 2017. I know bible and astrology are worlds apart but we can learn something from when Jesus was born and how the astrologers were able to identify his star because of this we can not be quick to dismiss what they say as heresy or futility. Not to say they have a share in Jehovahs kingdom am just out lining the events of Jesus birth in relation to the 23rd September 2017 sign.

(Matthew 2:1-8)2 After Jesus had been born in Bethʹle·hema of Ju·deʹa in the days of Herodb the king, look! astrologers from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying: “Where is the one born king of the Jews?c For we saw his star when we were in the East, and we have come to do obeisance to him.” 3 At hearing this, King Herod was agitated, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 On gathering together all the chief priests and scribes of the people, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born. 5 They said to him: “In Bethʹle·hemd of Ju·deʹa, for this is how it has been written through the prophet: 6 ‘And you, O Bethʹle·hem of the land of Judah, are by no means the most insignificant city among the governors* of Judah, for out of you will come a governing one,* who will shepherd my people Israel.’”e7 Then Herod secretly summoned the astrologers and carefully ascertained from them the time of the star’s appearing. [COLOR=var(--du-color--blue-500, #4a6da7)]8 When sending them to Bethʹle·hem, he said: “Go make a careful search for the young child, and when you have found him, report back to me so that I too may go and do obeisance to him.”9 After they had heard the king, they went their way, and look! the star they had seen when they were in the East went ahead of them until it came to a stop above where the young child was.10 On seeing the star, they rejoiced with great joy.11 And when they went into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and falling down, they did obeisance to him. They also opened their treasures and presented him with gifts—gold and frankincense and myrrh.12 However, because they were given divine warning in a dream not to return to Herod, they departed for their country by another way
 

The God Pill

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Wait, I thought that wasn't an actual star. I was taught it was something Satan had concocted in order to get Jesus killed before he had a chance to complete his mission. 🤔🤷‍♀️
I'm pretty neutral on the star the watchtower could very well be right but that speculation is primarily based on it going to Jerusalem first which I'd agree is pretty suspicious however whoever the magi were (so many theories out there) by there words they clearly knew somehow probably even beforehand that it meant the messiah had been born. His star could have meant his angel given the way it moved it was probably a spirit in any case whether from God or the devil.
 

Given

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Wait, I thought that wasn't an actual star. I was taught it was something Satan had concocted in order to get Jesus killed before he had a chance to complete his mission.

Wait, I thought that wasn't an actual star. I was taught it was something Satan had concocted in order to get Jesus killed before he had a chance to complete his mission. 🤔🤷‍♀️
Bible doesn't say it was from the devil. Bible says this was Jesus star, “Where is the one born king of the Jews?c For we saw his star when we were in the East, and we have come to do obeisance to him.” It doesn't look they they were misleading or had nefarious intentions. The star appears to be moving, I don't see it as a literal move, all I see is that the star becomes more visible in appearance as they get closer to it,passing from city to city including Jerusalem.
 

Patricia

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Bible doesn't say it was from the devil. Bible says this was Jesus star, “Where is the one born king of the Jews?c For we saw his star when we were in the East, and we have come to do obeisance to him.” It doesn't look they they were misleading or had nefarious intentions. The star appears to be moving, I don't see it as a literal move, all I see is that the star becomes more visible in appearance as they get closer to it,passing from city to city including Jerusalem.
Why would Jesus need a star to announce his birth to magi from another country? Why would they even need to know? And how would seeing a star have alerted them to realize that the one born king of the Jews had indeed been born? Angels announced his birth to shepherds in the field with their sheep. Why didn't angels tell the magi? And Where did this star lead the magi? To Herod. Why? Hmmm.🤔
Edit: one other thing, I don't think that the magi had anything nefarious on their minds, but Satan did and always does.
 

Watchman

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Babylon deported the Jews. Later Cyrus overthrew Babylon and the Persians allowed the Jews to return to Palestine. However, many Jews stayed behind in Persia. Persians were known for divination of all sorts. No doubt the magi in Persia learned of the messianic hope of the Jews. Evidently, though, the magi who trekked to Judea did not know very much about prophecy otherwise they would have known that the messianic king was destined to be born in Bethlehem. It is not as though the magi had nefarious intentions though. They were just unwitting pawns Satan was using to notify Herod so that he might destroy the child. That is why Jehovah's angel warned the Persians not to return to Herod. Jehovah thwarted the scheme to murder his son.

 

Given

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Why would Jesus need a star to announce his birth to magi from another country? Why would they even need to know? And how would seeing a star have alerted them to realize that the one born king of the Jews had indeed been born? Angels announced his birth to shepherds in the field with their sheep. Why didn't angels tell the magi? And Where did this star lead the magi? To Herod. Why? Hmmm.🤔
Edit: one other thing, I don't think that the magi had anything nefarious on their minds, but Satan did and always does.
What a barrage of questions,yes Satan was in control in the background no doubt. As Robert said they may have known about the hope of the Jews from israels captivity and wanted to see the promised Messiah. Point I was trying to drive home is that, the magi are often right when dealing with cosmic events,they usually know better. Based on this account of Matthew,we can't be complacent when it comes to such.
 

The God Pill

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What a barrage of questions,yes Satan was in control in the background no doubt. As Robert said they may have known about the hope of the Jews from israels captivity and wanted to see the promised Messiah. Point I was trying to drive home is that, the magi are often right when dealing with cosmic events,they usually know better. Based on this account of Matthew,we can't be complacent when it comes to such.
The intertestamental view was that there is something to astrology but the watchers that taught it to their spawn and humanity were pretty low on the totem pole in heaven so even without them warping it as they have there knowledge was incomplete the utility they could've provided man would have been limited even if they were benign. In the new system anything of significance as far as the relationship between the physical heavens and the earth will be understood by the sons of Adam far better than the watchers ever did.
 
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