Scientifically explain resurrection?

RTAW

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There's a headline that surely will attract attention.

I believe most things can be explained in a scientific way for us to understand, that includes what would now be considered miracles.
For example, Resurrection.

I believe that Resurrection will be the actual persons consciousness, not a clone of it or a digital copy of course. Scientifically, from a computer perspective, its easy to explain it, but even so, its not the ACTUAL original. Moving a file from one hard drive to another, is NOT the original file, and if it were sentient, it would not know the difference of course, and neither would WE in that situation.
But i believe, we are not copies or would be. Trying to wrap my head around it i can only theorize that Our consciousness is somehow frozen or paused the moment we are dead, and then stored within some kind of Dynamic energy that can either be permanently erased later or moved into another vessel once created and reanimated.
If upon resurrection you were informed that you were a clone of yourself...you would not be able to tell the difference, and being in paradise, you would likely not "complain" but certainly...it would feel erie and not authentic. (it is just thinking about it right now actually)
We of course know that will not be the case, but it still makes me ponder, if we will ever in perfection be told how such a thing(s) is possible. Will our perfect minds be able to grasp such wonder.
Theres my deep thought at 5am, I could have speculated on why Ticks and fleas exist, why parasites exist, did Jehovah actually create lions to chase and rip apart other creatures for food? But instead I chose resurrection lol

if you have any theories, off the wall or not id like to hear.
/geek mode off
 

The God Pill

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There's a headline that surely will attract attention.

I believe most things can be explained in a scientific way for us to understand, that includes what would now be considered miracles.
For example, Resurrection.

I believe that Resurrection will be the actual persons consciousness, not a clone of it or a digital copy of course. Scientifically, from a computer perspective, its easy to explain it, but even so, its not the ACTUAL original. Moving a file from one hard drive to another, is NOT the original file, and if it were sentient, it would not know the difference of course, and neither would WE in that situation.
But i believe, we are not copies or would be. Trying to wrap my head around it i can only theorize that Our consciousness is somehow frozen or paused the moment we are dead, and then stored within some kind of Dynamic energy that can either be permanently erased later or moved into another vessel once created and reanimated.
If upon resurrection you were informed that you were a clone of yourself...you would not be able to tell the difference, and being in paradise, you would likely not "complain" but certainly...it would feel erie and not authentic. (it is just thinking about it right now actually)
We of course know that will not be the case, but it still makes me ponder, if we will ever in perfection be told how such a thing(s) is possible. Will our perfect minds be able to grasp such wonder.
Theres my deep thought at 5am, I could have speculated on why Ticks and fleas exist, why parasites exist, did Jehovah actually create lions to chase and rip apart other creatures for food? But instead I chose resurrection lol

if you have any theories, off the wall or not id like to hear.
/geek mode off
Pretty simple there's this thing called a soul, it's capable of being inert/dead/comatose/not animated by the spirit without being destroyed, they're stored by the earth in holding cells underground in sheol, just as any electronic device can be unplugged or have a dead battery without being all smashed up. At the ressurection god returns the spirit that originally allowed a person to partake of life reanimating their soul and body as their form is reassembled. Because with psychopanychism it's the same biohologram (soul) there's a continuity of existence (not life) that averts the ship of theusus and star trek teleporter existential issues of the inauthentic ressurection of the watchtower's Thnetopsychism.
 

The God Pill

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Ecc 12: 7
Then the dust returns to the earth, just as it was, and the spirit returns to the true God who gave it.
Yep the spirits are not ours they're borrowed and only immortals Jehovah and the 144,001 he grants immortality to have life within themselves. A lot of attention is paid in Shepherd of Hermas to being conscientious and mindful of our spirits.
 

Jahrule

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By definition God is a super intelligence far beyond anything that can be created. Jah knows everything that goes into a human. He knows us on a deep fundamental level, far beyond what is currently understood to science. I assure you, counting our hair is trivial compared to understanding us down to the subatomic level. At that level even time and space fall apart, and Jah would understand even beyond that. For all we know, God doesn't even need to recreate us. Maybe that's why death is compared to sleep. To us we are present every waking moment of our live. When we go to sleep we are instantly present tomorrow. Maybe waking up in paradise will be a similar experience. We die, then we wake up seemingly instantly in the new world -- as if our consciousness traveled through time. Living life is similar to time travel too, despite none of the cells of my body being the same as when I was 10yrs old I am still that same kid. In the new world the cells might be different but it will still be me.

The resurrection might look something like this, only more organized. It's from some Marvel show after Thanos snapped away half the population they reverse the snap and then all these people who have been dead for years start coming back. It might not look scientific but we may not know enough yet to be able to discern what is possible scientifically.

 

Soul Sage

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When some people are resurrected, they might look like a totally different person. Someone may have covered his body in tattoos and would be resurrected without any tattoos. Those that have physical growth problems like dwarfism, they'll be resurrected into a new body even though they have a small skeletal structure compared to the normal person.
That's possible because Jehovah remembers our DNA structure and can correct any birth defects and I believe our conscience stays with him as he resurrects us into a new body.
Something I thought of that is sort of funny is being resurrected as a man. Being resurrected as circumcized or uncircumcised or being resurrected with no belly button. I personally think we would not have belly buttons if we were resurrected. While those that survived the great tribulation would have their belly buttons still there. For men I think we would all be resurrected as uncircumcised most likely.
 

Seadog

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Something I've mused about is could Jehovah manipulate time to where everyone is brought from where they were, just before meeting their maker??😅
 

Jonah

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If Jesus was dead for three days and resurrected, we have supreme confidence that if we die and are resurrected it will really be us, not the equivalent of a clone. Like going to sleep and waking up. If Jehovah can create the Universe, he can preserve our life even though our body dies and our consciousness ceases for a period of time.
 

BARNABY THE DOG.

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Something I've mused about is could Jehovah manipulate time to where everyone is brought from where they were, just before meeting their maker??😅
It is probably not an issue of manipulating time, but of memory. It may also be the case that the general physical markers of time that we use as reference to our existence may no longer exist at the time of resurrection, or may be familiar to us all regardless of time. We all recognise nature. We all understand plain buildings. It is reasonable to assume that the natural world is recognisable and timeless in its existence. Everyone from Adam to the last person alive at the end of this system would recognise the “home” of nature. “The former things have passed away.” What then remains?
 

BagdadBill

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This subject goes into the territory of "What is consciousness?". Scientists are still trying to figure that one out.
Yuval Harari believes that he may be one of a special class of people who live forever, while the rest of us die off. I've seen that video clip a few times now and I wonder what could go wrong with that, and then I think of Revelation 9:6 "In those days, men will see death and not find it".
If God can construct the first human pair then he can reconstruct anything. I guess it's in our nature to try and understand things but if we could actually understand God then he wouldn't really be God would he. Jehovah said that no matter how long we live we will never know everything about him.
 

StopTheInsanity

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There's a couple books that might bear on this subject: one, is "The Holographic Universe" and the other is "The Electric Body" and I'm gonna add a third "Heart Math".

The Electric Body talked about how a salamander will have it's legs cut off and then they regrow. Exactly like the ones they had before. The author, who was an orthopedic surgeon, theorized that we all have "morphic fields" surrounding our bodies that remember our shape and its details and knows and remembers our "data"

Heart math says that each of us is, indeed, surrounded by such a field and it's electric in nature and can be measured. We know that the heart is electrical and they shock the heart with defibrillator machines when someone's heart has stopped and the brain functions on both chemical and electrical interactions.

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In fact, that's why the brain chip will work, is because the brain is electrical and the brain chip can stimulate those neural pathways and basically, "hijack" it.


All that said, I've often thought that they way Jehovah "hears" our prayers is through electrical waves and that's how he knows us so well is the frequencies or vibrations that we give off via our brains/thoughts/emotions.

I think that this energy/frequency/morphic field might play a part in the whole resurrection process because matter is simply energy slowed WAY down. What's the equation E=MC squared?

I think that is how he's able to do his miracles, too, is by slowing down or speeding up energy. He can make things disappear or appear. We might learn of these principles and how they work down the road since, after all, we'll be living forever which is a long, long time.

Interesting discussion.
 

DR75 less 1

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Here is one view. Jehovah created Adam out of the dust of the ground. Many of the elements of said ground can be found on the periodic table. Jehovah more than likely formed compounds out the elements. While there are natural elements in the human body there are also compounds too.

OK so there is a lump of dirt so to speak. Jehovah breathed the breath of life into the thing "and man came to be a living soul" put another way "Lump of dirt" + "the breath of life" (which really is Jehovah's spirit) = Living Soul/Man/Adam.

At death what occurs is Jehovah's spirit exits the "lump" So Lump - spirit = corpse/Carcas/dead meat, worm bait/crowbait The "living soul" no longer exists eventually the corpse goes back to the ground from whence it came.

All those alive in Jehovah's memory ( we can wax lyrical on what that may or may not entail ) basically the consciousness of each one, will be breathed/infused into a different bunch of elements. Just like that; resurrection.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in paradise.

Truly I tell you, today You will be with me in paradise.

What's the difference in those statements? There is none if you remember one important thing...
Knowing where to put the comma between and and and and and and and and where not to?
 

DR75 less 1

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Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in paradise.

Truly I tell you, today You will be with me in paradise.

What's the difference in those statements? There is none if you remember one important thing...

Both the Christ and the evildoer were pushing up daiseys later that day. But the promise Jesus made to the evildoer is not far from being fulfilled. Well not as far as from when the promise was made.
 
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kirmmy

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Knowing where to put the comma between and and and and and and and and where not to?
Think of it from the criminal's perspective. To him he was with Christ in the paradise instantly. (Speaking in the future of course.) You may die in this system but you will wake instantly in the new system...no matter how many years pass. That's why we shouldn't fear death...but we still do, of course. :(
 

Ana

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Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in paradise.

Truly I tell you, today You will be with me in paradise.

What's the difference in those statements? There is none if you remember one important thing...
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The God Pill

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Here is one view. Jehovah created Adam out of the dust of the ground. Many of the elements of said ground can be found on the periodic table. Jehovah more than likely formed compounds out the elements. While there are natural elements in the human body there are also compounds too.

OK so there is a lump of dirt so to speak. Jehovah breathed the breath of life into the thing "and man came to be a living soul" put another way "Lump of dirt" + "the breath of life" (which really is Jehovah's spirit) = Living Soul/Man/Adam.

At death what occurs is Jehovah's spirit exits the "lump" So Lump - spirit = corpse/Carcas/dead meat, worm bait/crowbait The "living soul" no longer exists eventually the corpse goes back to the ground from whence it came.

All those alive in Jehovah's memory ( we can wax lyrical on what that may or may not entail ) basically the consciousness of each one, will be breathed/infused into a different bunch of elements. Just like that; resurrection.
As far as i can tell the spirits of men are holographic children of the holy spirit by that I mean like when you take a slice of a holographic film etc but while they are distinct entities they appear to be extensions of in a sense hence my spirit will not continue striving with man etc. They also are not us but something we can align with or against as they are at war with the fleshly inclinations within us. Jubilees says the spirits that animate us and animals/enable us to partake of life were one of the things created on the first day of genesis as well as the various angels and elemental spirits. holy spirit and our spirits also are not devoid of emotion remember when scripture mentions grieving the holy spirit that is to make sorrowful 😢 shepherd of hermas explores the spirits within man in depth 2 Baruch gives us a bit of data on Sheol that when Adam sinned God used his foresight to identify the quantity of humans that would be conceived before Armageddon and prepared it accordingly.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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Think of it from the criminal's perspective. To him he was with Christ in the paradise instantly. (Speaking in the future of course.) You may die in this system but you will wake instantly in the new system...no matter how many years pass. That's why we shouldn't fear death...but we still do, of course. :(
Good point And undoubtably true.
 
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