Should I Give up on Dating?

[DavidCJ]

Sorry to resurrect something that's months-old but I'd rather do this than create a new one.

Older women who have more experience dating, so they are so much better to deal with than women in their early 20s. I think I'd rather throw myself off a bridge than date a woman that young again

This is not the case for long term happiness in marriage. Younger women with less experience are more submissive. If you are both virgins, neither side has a comparison point. This is especially true of women. Previous partners are compared to YOU. Every "experience" makes it worse and worse, so maybe it can work, but requires significantly more work every partner.

@Jahrule Let's consider some scriptures.

Not all men make room for the saying, but only those who have the gift. For there are eunuchs that were born such from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs that were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs that have made themselves eunuchs on account of the kingdom of the heavens. Let him that can make room for it make room for it. Matt 19:10-12

But I wish all men were as I am. Nevertheless, each one has his own gift from God, one in this way, another in that way. 1 Cor 7:7

Stats:
The typical divorce rate in advanced economy nations are roughly 50-60%. In certain European countries it can go as high as 70%. According to my friend who used to work as a lawyer in family law, he said 50% divorce, and out of the 50%, half of them are happy. 1/4 chance to be happy.

I read from somewhere the divorce rates among Jehovah's Witnesses are 30-35%, which is a significant improvement. However, 30-35% is too high. The congregation I went to had two single sisters, and they were both divorced. One was 19 and the other I assume in the early to mid twenties. I was 28 when I started studying.

Research says for women pretty much after 3 partners(doesn't matter long term, or one night stand), the chance for divorce rates go up substantially. 80% is quoted. Practice makes perfect right? It also works here. It works for good and bad. Also, some articles say you should not serial-date(that is, dating to find a "compatible one") either, because you are essentially practicing how to break up and practicing how not to be patient with each other. Of course you cannot force any of this, because you need both of the parties to agree, and dating culture is ingrained as polygamy was back in Israel, despite the fact that "Dating" itself is quoted as late as the early 1900's as having some connection to prostitution.

Another research says for cultures with arranged marriages, the happiness goes up over the ten year period(the time it was interviewed), while for those that married for love, the happiness level started higher but dropped gradually significantly below those of arranged marriages - implying that expectations, and especially failed expectations are part of the reason for failures.

Me: I am 38 years old. I've never been in a relationship, zero of any sorts. I admit I am a bit jaded and almost biased against the opposite gender at this point. I saw/felt the problems when I was very young, before kindergarten, and early teens I vowed to avoid it. Maybe it is my "gift" I don't know. I figured and knew if I held on till I was 50-60 years of age, sexual desires will naturally diminish and it would get easier and easier.

The "vow" or determination I made was significant. If I was more studious I think I might have been almost like a mad scientist. The fundamental basics between those wanting cybernetics(humans fused with computers) and mine are one and the same - to get rid of or at least alleviate our problems. I would have gone far, though I don't have grandiose visions of evil scientists that control humans, I just want to control myself. Interestingly, I had this "vision" way before I knew the extent of what the world was doing. Meaning you don't need to see/learn to get such visions. We humans think surprisingly similarly. Simply look at MKUltra(punishment) and vision of Cybernetics(control) combined to get a glimpse of my vision.

I will not get into it until either my expectations are met, which likely won't be fulfilled until paradise earth.

Until the day the world is safe enough where young daughters can be away from home for days and the parents won't have to worry at all.

Do I think I had a chance to be in one if I tried? Yes I think so, both in and out of the JW family and both casually and in relationships. Somehow it seems that despite having two parents I have some abandonment issues which exacerbate the down feeling people get from things such as rejection and combined with early viewpoint of the world resulted in the "vow".

It's not all intentional. Sometimes I am quite perplexed. Evidence-based thinking keeps me blind. Well, works to my advantage.

I hugged a sister out of encouragement on the day she was reinstated(the 19 year old) and it seems it's quite plausible I accidentally caused her to have some feelings for me, and I was smart enough to know that but I didn't act as such, and realized my mistakes later. Let them hug you, don't initiate it, unless you want to be involved.

Lessons learned:
-If you want to marry, date with a purpose. Of course as a proper Christian "dating" should always be with marriage as an end goal.
-Purpose: Figure out what you want from her, and she needs to know what she wants from you. Boundaries, boundaries.
-To minimize the chance of sex before marriage, the dating phase has to be quite short, 1-2 years.
-"Sex" means all kinds of sexual intercourse, even what they call foreplay. Zero.
-You need to minimize the amount of people you date before you get married.
-Both parties need to figure out whether they are suitable within that period. You have to be serious.
-Suitability: Does your potential suitor have bad habits? How do they view having children? Moral values? Are they truly a servant of Jehovah? Stable family background with a Father(important) in her life? Two parent ideal. Personal preferences like looks and hobbies come AFTER all that.
-You need to ask yourself the same. Put yourself in the perspective of parents-in-law. Would you accept someone similar to you as a future husband for your daughter?

Red flags from a male POV:
-Anything not a stable two parent household
-Multiple previous partners
-Talks too much about things that she shouldn't
-Fighting the headship given to husbands, simple things as talking back too much

Remember, Jesus says in Matthew 19:19, "Whoever divorces his wife, except on the grounds of sexual immorality, and marries another commits adultery". This is the seriousness of what both men and women need to take into account before they choose a marriage partner. Too many people get married without considering the consequences.

Yes, it might be very stressful if you stay married and you don't want to. But you know who appreciates it if you do regardless of that? Your children. I know because my mother and father has. I will be eternally grateful.

 

[DavidCJ]

The weird thing for me is I am most depressed when I wake up in the morning, almost like I am under attack throughout the night. But then I pray about it and get out of bed. For whatever reason, after I get out of bed everything just melts away. Until I go back to bed the following night. Then the cycle repeats. I wonder if evil spirits have more control over your emotions while we sleep. Sometimes I legit feel like I'm under attack.

I used to watch horror movies and I'm the type that could watch Exorcist at 12:00am in the morning while I was in my teenage years. I held it fine during watching it but for me I got a gloomy, dark cloud feeling for an entire month after that. Like I would feel almost like something coming out of the ceiling after I wake up from a nap, kinda like when you said you woke up.

I don't want to feel like that ever again, oh no, no thank you!

When I started studying I threw away anything I had even little suspicion of having a spiritual influence. A friend gifted me a music CD of Frozen and eventually I broke it and threw it away. Harsh? Probably. I could not take the chance.

Also, one time I entered my closet completely dark and just sat there for a bit. Suddenly random uncontrolled thoughts entered my head. Fortunately nothing bad but I understand anything to do with meditation does NOT mean emptying your thoughts. Sensory deprivation tanks would likely do the same thing, probably worse.

 

[Shekinah]

This is something I pray about a lot. I'd really like to start my own family someday. But the more I try the less likely it looks to work out. Some of you couldn't even make it work with another JW. The chances of me finding anyone is starting to look pretty hopeless. If people can't even make it work with other believers, what chance do I have with women on the outside? I've had a couple dates. But they usually are just looking to "hook up", and I'm not going to say I've never done that. I am still human, and if someone throws themselves on me I'm probably not strong enough to resist the temptation. I'm not.

This actually happens a lot up here. But regardless, that's not what I want. I understand that's a sin, and I shouldn't be putting myself in those situations. Again though, there aren't a lot of options. It's either put myself out there to find the right person, which will likely mean a LOT more dates, or devote myself to celibacy, which is almost certainly not going to happen, or just marry anyone who says yes, which seems like a terrible idea considering the women I've dated recently.

I have crippling anxiety. I'm eat up with insecurities. I get older every day. I'm kinda starting to panic a little. I'm almost 40 and I got nothing to show for it. On the other hand, I couldn't afford a family anyway, so maybe this is all a blessing in disguise. It's just that being alone, completely alone, every day is really starting to take a toll on my ability to function normally. I feel like I'm just surviving. I don't feel like I'm alive.

Sorry for the rant. I don't have anywhere else to go.

Hope all is well.

Cheers,
Joshua

Hello dear brother,
I know several men of your age who are either divorced or single and feel the same way, my brother is one of them he's been single over ten years, my sister who's in the truth has been single over twenty five years and me been single around 16 years and none of us have even dated.
My brother has literally given up after a bad relationship and two grown children, that's not saying he wouldn't want to find love again, but the thought of how to go about it and how people are these days has put him off, my sister has never been fortunate enough to meet someone again in the truth. Im the same, it's a very risky business in this day and age to find marriage mate, if you make the wrong choice it could end up being the hardest test you've ever endured, it's hard enough trying to make it on your own let alone with someone who may drag you down with them.
Brother I feel like I'm existing everyday, as I have ME too, I have a dear son who's only 34 who's been literally single seven years, not even dating, as he's been let down and hurt by the past two relationships, he also has two friends in the same boat.
So please don't feel like this is rare, it's happening to people in and out of the truth, people do feel like their existing, but at least those who know the truth know, that they haven't got long in the system.
It's not easy, it's like ground hog day, yet Jesus said that these would be critical times hard to deal with, that we would have to carry our torture stake. If I was younger in to days society, I'd never bring children into this world, I see the families who struggle just to exist either financially or emotionally, as the pressures of this world rob them of the joy people once had.
Trust me brother, despite how lonely and in despair you may be, you can focus on yourself and being the best you can be for Jehovah, if you just have a few close friends then even that's a blessing, start to look at what you have got and what you will have in the very near future, seriously keep your eyes on the prize, I'm not saying you'll never meet anyone in this system, but don't make it your goal, if it's to happen it will happen, you won't have to search for it, just keep your life and expectations simple and be happy that you have been blessed with the insight to know the real truth, it's something we sometimes take for granted, keep strong we're almost there..agape 🙂🙏🏼

 

[DavidCJ]

Brothers and sisters, if you feel terrible being single, know that you are among those Apostle Paul refers to those "when I am weak, I am powerful". Jehovah has you in mind.

Especially among young men, focus on advancing yourself. Focus on your studies, focus on your hobbies, focus on advancing spiritual knowledge. Your depression makes the ability to endure harder. Keep them off your mind.

I'm not saying you'll never meet anyone in this system, but don't make it your goal, if it's to happen it will happen, you won't have to search for it, just keep your life and expectations simple and be happy that you have been blessed with the insight to know the real truth, it's something we sometimes take for granted, keep strong we're almost there..agape 🙂🙏🏼

I think that's the only way we need to view it. It's a start in lifting that burden from us.

@Theocratic Fascist I read many instances where it says both men and women that say they don't want children change their minds and won't have it any other way once their child is born. That's why it's called a paternal instinct. For men like me that never had that experience, the relationship has to be with the woman in the same position.

@BARNABY THE DOG. Barnaby you dog! Insightful, wise, funny, humorous. The posts in the previous pages were among the best I've read among yours. Question though: Are you sure there's only one person behind the keyboard?

 

[Shekinah]

Never dated, never tried, had a couple of flirtatious moments in college before I even heard of Jehovah, that was it. But I'm nearly 30. As BagdadBill mentioned, loneliness, it's recently blindsided me. But I can't do anything about it as I'm in a grey zone. I can't be with someone as I'd be unevenly yoked either way, can't date in the system and can't date a Witness as I'm not fully a Witness myself, let alone baptized. I force myself to resist dating in the system as I KNOW I'll fall into temptation and inevitable sin, but I can't date or rather court a woman who is a Witness either as we'd both be unevenly yoked.

Humans a flipping complicated creatures. Blast! 😅

I'm not baptised either it's like being in no man's land but I'm trying, but the more disturbing things that come out about the truth the harder it gets to keep quiet during my study 😅

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Brothers and sisters, if you feel terrible being single, know that you are among those Apostle Paul refers to those "when I am weak, I am powerful". Jehovah has you in mind.

Especially among young men, focus on advancing yourself. Focus on your studies, focus on your hobbies, focus on advancing spiritual knowledge. Your depression and the ability to endure is harder when you get depressed. Keep them off your mind.

I think that's the only way we need to view it. It's a start in lifting that burden from us.

@Theocratic Fascist I read many instances where it says both men and women that say they don't want children change their minds and won't have it any other way once their child is born. That's why it's called a parental instinct. For men like me that never had that experience, the relationship has to be with the woman in the same position.

@BARNABY THE DOG. Barnaby you dog! Insightful, wise, funny, humorous. The posts in the previous pages were among the best I've read among yours. Question though: Are you sure there's only one person behind the keyboard?

Thank you for your kind words, David. As far as I know, I am the only mentally unbalanced person in my family, and thus likely to be the only one behind the keyboard, given its output. I know this to be true because whenever I open my mouth, my dear wife instinctively says “No!” before I have even spoken. However, I have come to understand that such a precautionary measure is typical of the female gender - excluding of course, those that think they are of the female gender. (It is a useful way to identify participants because they always say “Yes!”). Insofar as some feel insecure in marriage as Jahrule points out, it is not the agreement in spiritual belief that keeps a couple happy in marriage. That may sound heretical, but the fact is that it is the attributes of the spirit being not only understood, but strived for that makes marriage happy, but even then, not if unevenly yoked. We are not protected against bad choices stemming from whatever reason. Hence the need for maturity in thinking and to “know thy self!” That is why Paul was able to speak of remaining single with authority. Being evenly yoked is only half the story at the best of times. The other half takes a deal of compromise and self examination, empathy and humility - most commonly it seems on when to speak and when the hell to shut up. The key to a successful marriage therefore, is to understand as deeply as possible, the essence of why “love” is at the pinnacle of the attributes, because it is far deeper than physical and emotional incumbrance but rather the essence of existence it’s self.

 

[Jahrule]

Hello dear brother,
I know several men of your age who are either divorced or single and feel the same way, my brother is one of them he's been single over ten years, my sister who's in the truth has been single over twenty five years and me been single around 16 years and none of us have even dated.
My brother has literally given up after a bad relationship and two grown children, that's not saying he wouldn't want to find love again, but the thought of how to go about it and how people are these days has put him off, my sister has never been fortunate enough to meet someone again in the truth. Im the same, it's a very risky business in this day and age to find marriage mate, if you make the wrong choice it could end up being the hardest test you've ever endured, it's hard enough trying to make it on your own let alone with someone who may drag you down with them.
Brother I feel like I'm existing everyday, as I have ME too, I have a dear son who's only 34 who's been literally single seven years, not even dating, as he's been let down and hurt by the past two relationships, he also has two friends in the same boat.
So please don't feel like this is rare, it's happening to people in and out of the truth, people do feel like their existing, but at least those who know the truth know, that they haven't got long in the system.
It's not easy, it's like ground hog day, yet Jesus said that these would be critical times hard to deal with, that we would have to carry our torture stake. If I was younger in to days society, I'd never bring children into this world, I see the families who struggle just to exist either financially or emotionally, as the pressures of this world rob them of the joy people once had.
Trust me brother, despite how lonely and in despair you may be, you can focus on yourself and being the best you can be for Jehovah, if you just have a few close friends then even that's a blessing, start to look at what you have got and what you will have in the very near future, seriously keep your eyes on the prize, I'm not saying you'll never meet anyone in this system, but don't make it your goal, if it's to happen it will happen, you won't have to search for it, just keep your life and expectations simple and be happy that you have been blessed with the insight to know the real truth, it's something we sometimes take for granted, keep strong we're almost there..agape 🙂🙏🏼

Thank you so much for your words of wisdom. Strangely enough I had several opportunities that I totally sabotaged. One of them asked me on a date at work. She was a customer. That was a first. She was nice, and I could have pursued a relationship easily with her. The problem was she kept talking about Oujia boards and seances and sleeping in graveyards. So I felt weird about it. I just kind of avoided her until she moved on, which was kind of a novel experience for me. That's usually the other way around. Then there was another lady. We got along. She just had too many kids. Then I met another one who ended up being homeless. The realization eventually hit me that after a certain age, at least for men, it gets remarkably easy to find a date -- way easier than when I was a teen or my early 20s. The problem is finding quality people. If you let the wrong people in your life, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

[DavidCJ]

@BARNABY THE DOG. Unfortunately I think a lot of those traits that you are talking about are lost. And I think that's true for most of us in this thread. Yea, with enough time and effort maybe it can work. But I see it as something you do in times of peace.

The reason some cannot fathom the concept of paradise on earth and believe heaven is the only way to go is that because Earth to them has been misery. Some better than others sure. And maybe if I was born 30 years ago I would have been different, but that's not the case. And none of us can fathom how good paradise earth would be. It might as well be "heaven on earth". And I am sorry if it makes it sad for some of you but the best relationship I have seen just disappoints me. So I see this the same way some people cannot imagine paradise on earth. Yea, I heard some stories and my troubles don't even compare.

(BTW I have no illusions about being in heaven. I don't want to. I think the idea of paradise earth is absolutely wonderful. I have zero doubts about having an earthly hope. It's not a downgrade. And I fully support the anointed if they become part of the kings along with Jesus. Earth full of happy people and humanity advancing is what I desperately want to see)

The only way to go forward is praying and hoping for God's kingdom ruled by Jesus to come. You have to take every anger, madness, craziness, vengeful thoughts and direct it there. Direct it and focus it as you would an energy weapon like a laser.

Maybe some will find it, and maybe for them it's the way to strengthen their faith by not serving as a distraction, but those like me believe it's better directed elsewhere. Be more giving to your friends, say kind words to your family, be more forgiving, be more understanding.

Couples were polled and said if their partner was forced to choose between them or to benefit mankind, more than half would choose the former, if choosing the latter would damage their relationship. I don't have to make that compromise. I can be as altruistic as I need to be. I wish I can live up to the expectations set by Jehovah regarding love for God and neighbour during the Great Tribulation. Parts of me don't care if I survive. It says falling into the hand of the living God is fearful. I don't feel that way. He is merciful, so much so that even those that committed atrocious crimes are just dead in peace.

I would 100% prefer falling into the judgment of the living God over human judges. I just wish if that was the case I could die in relative peace with minimal pain. I don't know how good the paradise earth is either, I lived here all my life. It wouldn't be a big loss.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

@BARNABY THE DOG. Unfortunately I think a lot of those traits that you are talking about are lost. And I think that's true for most of us in this thread. Yea, with enough time and effort maybe it can work. But I see it as something you do in times of peace.

The reason some cannot fathom the concept of paradise on earth and believe heaven is the only way to go is that because Earth to them has been misery. Some better than others sure. And maybe if I was born 30 years ago I would have been different, but that's not the case. And none of us can fathom how good paradise earth would be. It might as well be "heaven on earth". And I am sorry if it makes it sad for some of you but the best relationship I have seen just disappoints me. So I see this the same way some people cannot imagine paradise on earth. Yea, I heard some stories and my troubles don't even compare.

(BTW I have no illusions about being in heaven. I don't want to. I think the idea of paradise earth is absolutely wonderful. I have zero doubts about having an earthly hope. It's not a downgrade. And I fully support the anointed if they become part of the kings along with Jesus. Earth full of happy people and humanity advancing is what I desperately want to see)

The only way to go forward is praying and hoping for God's kingdom ruled by Jesus to come. You have to take every anger, madness, craziness, vengeful thoughts and direct it there. Direct it and focus it as you would an energy weapon like a laser.

Maybe some will find it, and maybe for them it's the way to strengthen their faith by not serving as a distraction, but those like me believe it's better directed elsewhere. Be more giving to your friends, say kind words to your family, be more forgiving, be more understanding.

Couples were polled and said if their partner was forced to choose between them or to benefit mankind, more than half would choose the former, if choosing the latter would damage their relationship. I don't have to make that compromise. I can be as altruistic as I need to be. I wish I can live up to the expectations set by Jehovah regarding love for God and neighbour during the Great Tribulation. Parts of me don't care if I survive. It says falling into the hand of the living God is fearful. I don't feel that way. He is merciful, so much so that even those that committed atrocious crimes are just dead in peace.

I would 100% prefer falling into the judgment of the living God over human judges. I just wish if that was the case I could die in relative peace with minimal pain. I don't know how good the paradise earth is either, I lived here all my life. It wouldn't be a big loss.

Strange to read your thoughts. Makes me think. Certainly I do not count myself as a paragon of virtue, or claim any insight into scripture, yet from what I have learnt here over the years I find remarkably relevant to getting a sense in and of the Spirit of Jehovah. When I revisited the attributes of the spirit I realised how superficial my thinking was in terms of their application and the very deep sense of fulfilment they project within their application. In consideration of the basic tenet of love, comes almost a waterfall of consideration in its relevance to order. Thus: Love provides governance over justice, mercy, punishment, forgiveness, tolerance, provision, patience :- the list goes on and it is not dependant on the troubles we endure now, it is something that when taken in its entirety, provides an exhilarating dimension to a happy and productive relationship, be that marital, parental or social. It can be had by anyone and shared out to all. True, as you explain, it may not be reciprocated, but it sure does give room for a calm heart and close consideration for those we love or hold dear. It also negates in many ways, the modern desire for dominance and social standing, both political and social, ergo, a “calm heart”. The emotions you speak of, anger and vengeance et alia, I am of course familiar with from my youth, but without making any claim to virtue, I have left them behind, with difficulty, it has to be said, and I have received in return, a thoroughly underserved peace in my old age. It’s not down to me, I can tell you, but to a happy realisation that the understanding or comprehension of the attributes of the spirit are still available to us to absorb and practice. It is not a question of off-loading our anger and frustration to Jehovah, but of listening to the spirit. Prayer is best pleaded with, in asking for insight, and we are assured that if we ask, we will receive. If we are not given insight, or even understanding, we are given love and if we have an open heart, we are given peace along with it. If we do receive spiritual guidance or insight, then why can we not share it with those we love or care for? Maybe I am too simplistic, but I do not see it as being the trial you speak of, though I do understand what you are saying, but rather a revelation into the open hand of Jehovah.

 

[SusanB]

Brothers and sisters, if you feel terrible being single, know that you are among those Apostle Paul refers to those "when I am weak, I am powerful". Jehovah has you in mind.

Especially among young men, focus on advancing yourself. Focus on your studies, focus on your hobbies, focus on advancing spiritual knowledge. Your depression makes the ability to endure harder. Keep them off your mind.

I think that's the only way we need to view it. It's a start in lifting that burden from us.

@Theocratic Fascist I read many instances where it says both men and women that say they don't want children change their minds and won't have it any other way once their child is born. That's why it's called a paternal instinct. For men like me that never had that experience, the relationship has to be with the woman in the same position.

@BARNABY THE DOG. Barnaby you dog! Insightful, wise, funny, humorous. The posts in the previous pages were among the best I've read among yours. Question though: Are you sure there's only one person behind the keyboard?

Isaiah 56:4-5: “For this is what Jehovah says to the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths and who choose what I delight in and who hold fast to my covenant: “I will give to them in my house and within my walls a monument and a name, Something better than sons and daughters. An everlasting name I will give them, One that will not perish.”

 

[PJ54]

Something I wanted to add to this conversation is that I have noticed the increase of animosity between the genders. This includes orientation, religion, race, political leanings, etc. However, the world has caused so much hatred between the sexes thanks to feminism (radfems) & the manosphere (incels), to the point that when the system goes down, these groups will kill one another. The who issue of casual sex has contributed to this mess.

 

[Shekinah]

Thank you so much for your words of wisdom. Strangely enough I had several opportunities that I totally sabotaged. One of them asked me on a date at work. She was a customer. That was a first. She was nice, and I could have pursued a relationship easily with her. The problem was she kept talking about Oujia boards and seances and sleeping in graveyards. So I felt weird about it. I just kind of avoided her until she moved on, which was kind of a novel experience for me. That's usually the other way around. Then there was another lady. We got along. She just had too many kids. Then I met another one who ended up being homeless. The realization eventually hit me that after a certain age, at least for men, it gets remarkably easy to find a date -- way easier than when I was a teen or my early 20s. The problem is finding quality people. If you let the wrong people in your life, you're gonna have a bad time.

I was very much like you when I first started studying many many years ago, I really wanted to be married before getting baptised, being a single mother in the truth wasn’t something many brothers found very appealing, I saw how hard it was for the single ones let alone one with a child. It wasn’t hard to meet a worldly man, but meeting one that had a spiritual need was another thing. I did meet a few, ended up getting married and he started studying and I ended up having more children, to cut a long story short, he cheated and much worse, that was the end of that. I later met another who pretended to be interested in the truth, we got engaged only for him to later tell me he wanted children of his own. So after these experiences and years wasted, I realised Armageddon could have come and gone and where would I have been, trying to get things right so that I wouldn’t be single in the truth. It was a heavy lesson to learn dear brother. So I decided to concentrate on trusting in Jehovah, to give me the strength to endure.
What we need to realise, is that satan also knows our needs and what we long for, he too can send people our way, my husband after marrying him, revealed that his father was a witch doctor, my husband started to practice divination in our home. So please be very careful who you trust with your heart. There’s many out there who say that their spiritual or believe in God, but their on some other level of spirituality, laying on of hands, speaking in tongues, things they may not tell you at first. Christianity has been infiltrated with the new age too, so chances of meeting those who are seeking truth is small, while time is ever so short. Looking back now, I had many indirect warnings which I over looked at the time, I realise now that must have been Jehovah looking out for me but too distracted to see. Pray to Jehovah and ask him to give you the strength, it won’t be easy at first but nothings impossible with Jehovah 🙂

 

[The God Pill]

Something I wanted to add to this conversation is that I have noticed the increase of animosity between the genders. This includes orientation, religion, race, political leanings, etc. However, the world has caused so much hatred between the sexes thanks to feminism (radfems) & the manosphere (incels), to the point that when the system goes down, these groups will kill one another. The who issue of casual sex has contributed to this mess.

I wouldn't be surprised everywhere even in conspiracy channels on telegram I see women openly expressing genocidal sentiment toward beta males (used to be 4/5 of males but with paretto principle essentially squared now as far as women's perception it's probably north of 95% of men now)

 

[PJ54]

I wouldn't be surprised everywhrre even in conspiracy channels on telegram I see women openly expressing genocidal sentiment toward beta males (used to be 4/5 of males but with parent to principle essentially squared now as far as women's perception it's probably north of 95% of men now)

I have heard it from the men too. Once this system goes, they both will be under the influence of the red horseman of war.

 

[The God Pill]

I have heard it from the men too. Once this system goes, they both will be under the influence of the red horseman of war.

I'm not denying that they'll be plenty of men going open season rather saying that a callous hostility in women is more pervasive than a male disposition to harm do to the former being in line with dysfunctional expression of the eugenic instincts of all female organisms while for a man to be resentful to the point of such a level of hostility it runs counter to and must overcomes both his natural protective instincts and all the gynocentric cultural programming instilled in him from his surroundings since birth

 

[Soul Sage]

David brings out some wise points. However, if you think too much into it, the anxiety of dating would be so overwhelming. For me, I have to remind myself to keep it simple. I'm 38 too. I've made some dating mistakes. And I learned from them. I realized if I worried about every little thing about having a relationship, I would be single forever. At this point I feel like marriage is out of the question unless I can afford a mortgage and have a decent job and having children in the future seems likely only for people that can earn more than 40k per year. I also know from experience that mostly all women I dated lost interest in me when they found out that I still live with my parents. I can't fault them for that though. The world has conditioned them to think that way. Not saying all women think that way but I live in southern Florida and the cost of living here has gotten crazy and so have the expectations of women here. Still, I continue to make self improvements. I wish I was married though so I could comfortably settle down rather than be in this crazy rat race of dating. And Im definitely am not desperate. I probably could of married a couple of girls I dated in my 20's but I felt too young to marry them and didn't pursue the relationship further. I haven't been on a date in a few months as I feel like I need to take a break from it and continue trying to make more money. Also, my job schedule is really weird so it's hard to take the time to even try to date someone. So currently looking for another job with not so crazy work hours.

 

[The God Pill]

Past few months I've been thinking it's better if people use the biblical term of the flesh when they talk about manosphere topics than male and female nature especially the less flattering aspects of either doing so acknowledges that the universal/fixed/unchanging state of these tendencies, traits and drives prior to the new system without attributing it to God's design or presenting things as deterministic/unresistable given one can walk by spirit or flesh @PJ54 has brought up the notion that nature has been tinkered with by the enemy along that line if as I've suggested before eating of the fruit installed Satan's own spirit in Adam and Eve so that there's the spirit of Michael and Belial essentially in every man there course/choices manifesting their alignment than that would be the root of "the fleshly/sinful inclination" much of which is secularly characterized as the sexes respective natures.

 

[BagdadBill]

Dating isn't easy. It's harder for JWs. Even worse if you're just out of high school because there is this function that you either pioneer or get married, or both. I've seen it and so have you. If you can step back from the fear of reprisal, we can all see that this feeling that so many young JW seem to have that they have to get married now or else they might not get the chance, is wrong. Not only is it a misapplication of scripture but it's also insulting to Jehovah. Jehovah made Adam. He already had Eve in mind but made a structured statement as to why he created her. We weren't meant to be alone. What happens when we get down to the last man or woman on earth who is unmarried? Will Jehovah create a spouse for that one?
I think so. He did it once and he can do it again because it is his will and desire according to his own design. Questions that Jehovah's Witnesses ask when the elders aren't around.
I was married for six years. I chose poorly. Didn't listen to my God. Didn't even follow up with good biblical advice. I married a divorced sister who had a different understanding of the ways of Watchtower than I did. Family bible study was something foreign. Had to be something better on TV right? Not long after I gave up. I can say this without looking back, if Jehovah and reading God's word are not the most important thing in your life, you have no life. I failed miserably at married life and my accomplices can share that blame.
Maybe in the new world, it may be easier to match. I would add at this moment in time, if we are a week from persecution or imprisonment or even worse, would you be worried about dating?
Do we stop living? No. Certainly not. If you find yourself walking onto the Love Boat and Captain Stubing gives you that knowing smile then don't hesitate, but be sure of all things and be sure to tip Isaac.

 

[BARNABY THE DOG.]

Isaiah 56:4-5: “For this is what Jehovah says to the eunuchs who keep my sabbaths and who choose what I delight in and who hold fast to my covenant: “I will give to them in my house and within my walls a monument and a name, Something better than sons and daughters. An everlasting name I will give them, One that will not perish.”

I have not considered this scripture in the sense addressed here. I think it very possible given the depth of spirituality Jehovah is referring to that such insight and embodiment of His thinking would be a complete sufficiency in all things. Is it a contradiction then that Jehovah felt the need to share these very things with His own son and family? I suspect the scripture is in reference to those afflicted by circumstance who have no one to share their faith with in that they will feel fulfilled by their spiritual union with Jehovah alone - the very stuff that keeps us going when being tried.

 

[DavidCJ]

I wouldn't be surprised everywhere even in conspiracy channels on telegram I see women openly expressing genocidal sentiment toward beta males (used to be 4/5 of males but with parent to principle essentially squared now as far as women's perception it's probably north of 95% of men now)

I don't get that. Are they hostile towards them because those males don't approach them, or are they talking about the guys that are/were in relationships with those same women? And do you know why?

Significant reason for shy/reserved traits are due to some form of trauma in the younger years. Males happen to be less social and at the same time more logical, so they come to the conclusion much faster and readily than females do(being hyper careful in all decision making processes). The difference is so large between two genders that if you put a High Functioning Autistic female among normal males the guys would not notice them, while nearly all normal women would.

Because of the natural expectation that males are supposed to take charge, it's especially detrimental because they never would. And even if they do it might be due to women approaching them which has a greater chance of causing problems down the road. Unfortunately at some point more and more men even among "Alpha" males are going to view the same way, because of the overreaction on the female side. Have you seen what's going on now? Men are being accused of sexual harassment when they haven't done it. If you help someone in a grocery store or even open a door for them some react harshly! So for many they simply avoid every interaction altogether, nevermind dating.

The reason I constantly refer back to mouse utopia is because the things observed reflect surprisingly so many aspects of our society today. The behavioral traits are more fundamental and also not due to spiritual reasons(because they are mice). "Beta" traits and Feminism are both just a natural defense mechanism inherent to all biological creatures.

I'm not denying that they'll be plenty of men going open season rather saying that a callous hostility in women is more pervasive than a male disposition to harm do to the former being in line with dysfunctional expression of the eugenic instincts of all female organisms while for a man to be resentful to the point of such a level of hostility it runs counter to and must overcomes both his natural protective instincts and all the gynocentric cultural programming instilled in him from his surroundings since birth

One thing is that males need to be taken more seriously because it's much less likely a hostile woman would actually carry out her actions and/or the result be devastating.

Suicide statistics show that for most women that attempt suicide, they fail, while most men that attempt it they succeed.

@BARNABY THE DOG. I am just saying you can translate that energy in a constructive manner, to make it into a Drive that hasn't existed. And for some of us that energy exists. Lot of them like for me could be because I am still young. There is wisdom in your posts.