Should I Give up on Dating?

Paula

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I've noticed with my friends who aren't JWs have had long successful marriages. The woman excuse the pun wear the trousers. They are strong minded organised and helpful. One of my friends left her husband for 7 years for another man because she wanted children, he turned out to be not very nice and abusive. She returned to her husband and he forgave her. He truly is a gem and steadfast. I told my mum this who had been married to my dad for 44 years. She just couldn't get over this that someone would patiently wait for their wife to return. I was overjoyed that someone could have a forgiving and patient nature. He went through hell. I've been married twice and I feel such a failure.
 

The God Pill

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I don't get that. Are they hostile towards them because those males don't approach them, or are they talking about the guys that are/were in relationships with those same women? And do you know why?

Significant reason for shy/reserved traits are due to some form of trauma in the younger years. Males happen to be less social and at the same time more logical, so they come to the conclusion much faster and readily than females do(being hyper careful in all decision making processes). The difference is so large between two genders that if you put a High Functioning Autistic female among normal males the guys would not notice them, while nearly all normal women would.

Because of the natural expectation that males are supposed to take charge, it's especially detrimental because they never would. And even if they do it might be due to women approaching them which has a greater chance of causing problems down the road. Unfortunately at some point more and more men even among "Alpha" males are going to view the same way, because of the overreaction on the female side. Have you seen what's going on now? Men are being accused of sexual harassment when they haven't done it. If you help someone in a grocery store or even open a door for them some react harshly! So for many they simply avoid every interaction altogether, nevermind dating.

The reason I constantly refer back to mouse utopia is because the things observed reflect surprisingly so many aspects of our society today. The behavioral traits are more fundamental and also not due to spiritual reasons(because they are mice). "Beta" traits and Feminism are both just a natural defense mechanism inherent to all biological creatures.
In regard to them exhibiting genocidal desires I'm not talking about any of my own experiences today and yesterday just what I observe and what I overhear them say at work or read online it seems essentially loathing of several characteristics 1. People that are hypergamously suboptimal especially on the physical end 2. stable reliable long term men for not appearing to offer a rollercoaster of emotional stimulation this would rather they beat me than bore me mentality 3. Men that are insufficiently aggressive/thuggish and/or less manipulable so insufficiently useful as a proxy weapon and exhibiting less likelihood of offspring being the next warlord.

One test I use to evaluate whether an individual is motivated by a deep eugenic sentiment and revulsion is when I see single women reject a man that's not a creep I'll ask them why they didn't reassure the man by suggesting they might look into setting him up with someone, suggesting so and so might be more receptive or that they'll keep there eyes open for anyone suitable in the future as it seems such a convenient opportunity not only would the person be reducing any fixation the man might have but be establishing a good rapport with utility she can harness down the line as the man feels he owes the woman also and because it sends the message I don't want to reproduce with you but I do want you to reproduce as opposed to what may or may not be but the male's subconcious will interpret as I don't want you to reproduce period. I also tell the women they don't have to ever actually help the man or consider themselves obligated to just produce the sentiment in the man's mind you dont want him to be a genetic dead end. Mammals interpret female rejection as being told to go die basically there's a trigger in some species some types of bears are an example where when a threshold is crossed the male animal commits suicide this is interpreted as propagating genes by not consuming resources on an organism that won't reproduce leaving then available in the environment for siblings, cousins, nephews and nieces that carry some of his genes. So I observe women's reactions in these conversations where i explain this about manmals and the signals one is sending and I make the suggestion how they could have responded to these men differently because some of them see the logic/utility though it had never occured to them before while others are revolted by the suggestion of even giving men the impression they might help repulsed at the thought of suboptimal perceived men not being asexual worker drones till death. That the person would forgo increasing allies in their local area just to elevate the odds of people being dead ends. An easy experiment to assess those in your environments character.

One thing is that males need to be taken more seriously because it's much less likely a hostile woman would actually carry out her actions and/or the result be devastating.


Granted women disproportionately utilize knives and poison and largely spare themselves risk and accountability by relying on violence through a male proxy or institution where it is possible for them. It's pretty straightforward outside of men on the majority end of parreto distribution performing much of the necessary work to keep society running many woman would literally prefer those men dead essentially resentful they haven't been killed of by others like humans are supposed to live tournament mating like lions or something in a darwinian sense the hindbrain wants the Gengis Khan genes because if a son becomes the world's next warlord that means more grandchildren. That's why so many of them treasure sodomites because they get the utility of a male associate without them having to concern themselves with them having the intention of breeding with any women.
 
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DavidCJ

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Very interesting thoughts overall.
In regard to them exhibiting genocidal desires I'm not talking about any of my own experiences today and yesterday just what I observe and what I overhear them say at work or read online it seems essentially loathing of several characteristics 1. People that are hypergamously suboptimal especially on the physical end 2. stable reliable long term men for not appearing to offer a rollercoaster of emotional stimulation this would rather they beat me than bore me mentality 3. Men that are insufficiently aggressive/thuggish and/or less manipulable so insufficiently useful as a proxy weapon and exhibiting less likelihood of offspring being the next warlord.
The first I do not fully understand what you are trying to say but the latter two is exacerbated and primarily caused by the breakdown of the family. Fathers play a role and strong female oriented society means they nurture such beliefs. Of course men have problems too. Daughters would look for men that resemble core traits of their fathers. Emotionally abusive, unavailable, disrespectful, forceful and a combination of all. Because there is an unbreakable connection between parents and their children, it develops into a love/hate relationship where they see negative traits as necessary too.
One test I use to evaluate whether an individual is motivated by a deep eugenic sentiment and revulsion is when I see single women reject a man that's not a creep I'll ask them why they didn't reassure the man by suggesting they might look into setting him up with someone, suggesting so and so might be more receptive or that they'll keep there eyes open for anyone suitable in the future as it seems such a convenient opportunity not only would the person be reducing any fixation the man might have but be establishing a good rapport with utility she can harness down the line as the man feels he owes the woman also and because it sends the message I don't want to reproduce with you but I do want you to reproduce as opposed to what may or may not be but the male's subconcious will interpret as I don't want you to reproduce period.
This is deep and of amazing observation.

Again I believe lot of these are responses to trauma. The alternative is to accept the world as is which leads into depression and suicide. So they go on the offensive instead. The proper response you are talking about means they have to go against their own jealousy, and the world has embraced the concept of squashing the competition if you want to win(live). They hate themselves, thus their own gender. Why would they help other women?

The women that act as you say they should do exist. Likely they will find a proper partner quickly. It would be rare though. This isn't new as even the bible times say such women are rare and a gem.

Less than 50% of the male population get to have an offspring. This is true throughout history and not just 20/21 century.
I also tell the women they don't have to ever actually help the man or consider themselves obligated to just produce the sentiment in the man's mind you dont want him to be a genetic dead end. Mammals interpret female rejection as being told to go die basically there's a trigger in some species some types of bears are an example where when a threshold is crossed the male animal commits suicide this is interpreted as propagating genes by not consuming resources on an organism that won't reproduce leaving then available in the environment for siblings, cousins, nephews and nieces that carry some of his genes. I don't want to reproduce with you but I do want you to reproduce as opposed to what may or may not be but the male's subconscious will interpret as I don't want you to reproduce period. I also tell the women they don't have to ever actually help the man or consider themselves obligated to just produce the sentiment in the man's mind you don't want him to be a genetic dead end. Mammals interpret female rejection as being told to go die basically there's a trigger in some species some types of bears are an example where when a threshold is crossed the male animal commits suicide this is interpreted as propagating genes by not consuming resources on an organism that won't reproduce leaving then available in the environment for siblings, cousins, nephews and nieces that carry some of his genes. So I observe women's reactions in these conversations where i explain this about manmals and the signals one is sending and I make the suggestion how they could have responded to these men differently because some of them see the logic/utility though it had never occurred to them before while others are revolted by the suggestion of even giving men the impression they might help repulsed at the thought of suboptimal perceived men not being asexual worker drones till death. That the person would forgo increasing allies in their local area just to elevate the odds of people being dead ends. An easy experiment to assess those in your environments character.
Again, very deep and amazing insights. And some of those women would eventually get the point, perhaps too late. How do you know among them are hidden good ones and some that embrace the malice? You can't.

I want to specifically address the bolded point above. The trauma breaks trust with not only the individual that caused the trauma but with every other human being.

I would talk to my dad about people who don't help strangers that are sick and dying and most just pass by them and those that do help are celebrated as heroes. I am pretty sure he said it's dangerous to help a stranger. And he's a JW! Yes that may be the case, but those that really need help you need to go help them. If they end up dying and you had a chance to help them, would it not be on your conscience? I've seen many, many people think the same way. They want nothing to do with them because their trust towards humanity as a whole has been shattered. Ridiculed, mocked, and even attacked for showing kindness.

Maybe one logic in their mind is that if they help the individual maybe he indeed is a creep and you have just invited someone that could be a psychopath in your life. The press is one of the plagues. Many articles say behind the smile there may lie such individuals. So you cannot trust anything or anyone. Solution? Simply ignore them altogether and cut them off as quickly as possible.
Granted women disproportionately utilize knives and poison and largely spare themselves risk and accountability by relying on violence through a male proxy or institution where it is possible for them. It's pretty straightforward outside of men on the majority end of parreto distribution performing much of the necessary work to keep society running many woman would literally prefer those men dead essentially resentful they haven't been killed of by others like humans are supposed to live tournament mating like lions or something in a darwinian sense the hindbrain wants the Gengis Khan genes because if a son becomes the world's next warlord that means more grandchildren. That's why so many of them treasure sodomites because they get the utility of a male associate without them having to concern themselves with them having the intention of breeding with any women.
I mean, I would conclude if I really wanted to hurt as many people as possible, I would methodically plan it out over long periods of time. At the right time, with the right methods, at the right place. Dozens? Child play. 9/11? Are we playing here? It's a blip in the annals of history.

We all have to make a choice. I have to make a choice not to use my knowledge for such ends. Because I do not want to be like "scientists" such as Mengele. He called himself a Doctor! I believe the greatest regret you'll feel at the end when you are old and feeble is when you look back and you used that strength and passion of yours to hurt others.

This is the difference. It's preferable having someone lash out quickly without much thought. Maybe you are right that they affect it as a whole from a societal point of view.
 
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DavidCJ

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For me it was fortunate that society as a whole basically rejected me(bullying). Yes I was lucky/blessed to have 1-2 good friends. Those that were in similar conditions.

Why fortunate? Because it's not just females I had the opportunity to observe and reflect on why they think that way. I did notice that the pretty/attractive ones were usually associated with the popular group that would ostracize me. That accelerated and cemented my early viewpoint. "Ah the bad girls are just symptom not the cause. Why is it the cause?" Instead of "WOMEN=BAD".

Those that got along with most but rejected in romantic relationships would view it differently. I am genuinely sorry for those people. Robert is right. It's getting very hard for all now. You have to try to look at the big picture. I've done that for decades. I am not saying I am better or anything. I was forced to look at a high level very early on.
 
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BARNABY THE DOG.

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For me it was fortunate that society as a whole basically rejected me(bullying). Yes I was lucky to have 1-2 good friends. Those that were in similar conditions.

Why fortunate? Because it's not just females I had the opportunity to observe and reflect on why they think that way. I did notice that the pretty/attractive ones were usually associated with the popular group that would ostracize me. That accelerated and cemented my early viewpoint. "Ah the bad girls are just symptom not the cause. Why is the cause?" Instead of "WOMEN=BAD".

Those that got along with most but rejected in romantic relationships would view it differently. I am genuinely sorry for those people. Robert is right. It's getting very hard for all now. You have to try to look at the big picture. I've done that for decades. I am not saying I am better or anything. I was forced to look at a high level very early on.
The world is full of people that react to learnt behaviours. We cannot escape. The quote of the elder voting to disfellowship his victim, coining the phrase “…it’s what we do…” should be preserved in the annals of psychiatry as a warning to us all. We respond to what we are, our view of “what happens”, and society today is largely a fabrication in flesh of Satan’s end game. He has been moulding it for millennia - look at the issue of the crowd baying to stone the prostitute. The crux of the problem today, is that the restraint of normality has been removed. As there is no longer a point of reference, there can be no justification for reasoning or referral, such as there is guidance for judges in a court of law to refer to past rulings and judgements in justification of handing down a sentence. The problem for us is that we are tarred by the same brush. Even our sense of interpretation of meaning in the bible is compromised, because our experience cannot refer to such clarity of opinions written there. In contradiction of that reference, the fact that we cannot always perceive the depths of scripture in its meanings; the very fact that we cannot, embellishes and colours our impression of its holiness, depth and understanding. There is very little that a person looking at us from the time of Christ would recognise as normal in our behaviours and tolerance in morality, much less so in matters of relationships. It is one of the reasons perhaps why Sodom stands out so pointedly in its judgement - perhaps a prophesy of the global embracing of such deviances in our day. A partner is out there if we want one - to reject the opportunity is a remark upon ourselves, perhaps, in “know thyself“ - but then, perhaps we do know ourselves! One cannot though, say with honesty that the chance of doing so without compromise to our point of existence, would be tried to its limit, and on closer examination found intolerable. We just need to be sure that it is not us who are intolerant. One of the reasons that I pray to Jehovah not to judge me for what I am, but in what I aspire to be. I am certainly not there yet.
 

The God Pill

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Visited badoo for the first time in a year but always very few results in the same state kind of sparse since it's more of a eastern european site, updated tinder for the first time in four years and my god between the two of them everyone's got loads of tattoos is on drugs and advertises there pet snakes (I actually think ball pythons are cool but still) even people with 666 tatooed upside down and backwards as triple e's. Most profiles are lazy and come across as ads for their other social media accounts most that aren't have actual data for the end of establishing how leftist they are. I'll probably have to look into sites specifically for the unvaxed.
 

PJ54

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Visited badoo for the first time in a year but always very few results in the same state kind of sparse since it's more of a eastern european site, updated tinder for the first time in four years and my god between the two of them everyone's got loads of tattoos is on drugs and advertises there pet snakes (I actually think ball pythons are cool but still) even people with 666 tatooed upside down and backwards as triple e's. Most profiles are lazy and come across as ads for their other social media accounts most that aren't have actual data for the end of establishing how leftist they are. I'll probably have to look into sites specifically for the unvaxed.
Dating sites seem to lean towards hookup culture anyway.
 

Jordan Seager

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Dating sites seem to lean towards hookup culture anyway.
I've heard stories that people have found their wives/husbands on there but this is a VERY small percentage of people. The thing is that social medias have glued people to the screens instead of going out physically. I was walking through the local park once and saw everyone sitting on the grass in the sun, what were they all doing... not directly talking to each other but all looking down at their phones, a bewildering sight.
 

DavidCJ

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I've heard stories that people have found their wives/husbands on there but this is a VERY small percentage of people. The thing is that social medias have glued people to the screens instead of going out physically. I was walking through the local park once and saw everyone sitting on the grass in the sun, what were they all doing... not directly talking to each other but all looking down at their phones, a bewildering sight.
eHarmony used to be good. My friend found his wife from there. Paid monthly until you find your SO. I don't know if they still are. Apps like Tinder are not serious. Swiping left or right to accept someone? Of course it leads to short-term relationships and hookups.
 

The God Pill

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eHarmony used to be good. My friend found his wife from there. Paid monthly until you find your SO. I don't know if they still are. Apps like Tinder are not serious. Swiping left or right to accept someone? Of course it leads to short-term relationships and hookups.
Wasn't it based on some app for homosexuals?
 

The God Pill

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Yep tinder is basically a parade of endless tattoo worship I actually saw one of my coworkers profile pop up there last night not surprised same happened with a different one four years back, badoo has almost no selection within my range I'd consider but there is one mutual like that's pretty close, upward a christian centric app appears to be better degenerate red flags besides obesity appear much scarcer there.

The deppressing thing about the dating landscape is when you factor in hypergamy essentially most girls that are single are so because of pickiness to secure one that isn't seeking a rebound or hit the wall and such requires you to almost by definition exceed every prospective male accessible in a global dating marketplace or have phenomenal timing because of the nature of hypergamy and monkey branching it's substantially easier if one is willing to steal another guy's gal 🙁 usually that's what people advise me, even my sister around six months ago wanted me to abandon my opposition to that. (I'm against that/pro male solidarity) it's both a sad reality (there were experiments on college campuses where it was over 400% easier for men to secure dates with women that already had boyfriends than with single women) and something I've observed for years as single women are almost invariably hostile to me while women with men often seem to have crushes.

Essentially single women "no ones good enough for me unless I need a prop at the moment for my self esteem or hit the wall so want a baby soon", woman with a man "anyone that seems better than my man today is an opportunity".

My confidence and sense of worth in the market has risen the past few years I get a lot of positive assessments from middle aged women and even ones just several years older than me and respect of people in general toward me has grown over the years outside a small number of haters (mostly influenced by a christian hating homosexual slanderer) but the cultural and legal climate is just too hostile/dangerous to straight men for me to pursue anyone in person in person I'd have to be the one pursued which requires being desired enough for a woman to overcome passivity in the active dating role I'm essentially restricted when it comes to starting anything to online.

I think the old fashioned ways of outsourcing initiation/invitation through peers and mediatorial advocates is better than modernity but I'm uncertain how much I have that option given the hostility expressed to me by management in 2017 in involving anyone in social interaction, conveying messages, advocating, mediating or even simply being a listening ear in respect to me and any romantic prospect they acted like it's criminally conspiring against people or something despite me never being half as critical of anyone in regard to anything I'd share as listeners assesments but would frame them in the best/most sympathetic light affordable the circumstances whilst women and homosexuals had free reign to unprovokedly slander and campaign against me ongoingly for over half a decade. It's evil in current year on his part for any of a man's peers to even have been exposed to/comprehend his side let alone be anything resembling an ally or seeker of peace even if they are neutral or slightly more aligned with the other party.
 
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White Stone

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Yep tinder is basically a parade of endless tattoo worship I actually saw one of my coworkers profile pop up there last night not surprised same happened with a different one four years back, badoo has almost no selection within my range I'd consider but there is one mutual like that's pretty close, upward a christian centric app appears to be better much less degenerate red flags besides obesity appear much scarcer there.

The deppressing thing about the dating landscape is when you factor in hypergamy essentially most girls that are single are so because of pickiness to secure one that isn't seeking a rebound or hit the wall and such requires you to almost by definition exceed every prospective male accessible in a global dating marketplace or have phenomenal timing because of the nature of hypergamy and monkey branching it's substantially easier if one is willing to steal another guy's gal 🙁 usually that's what people advise me, even my sister around six months ago wanted me to abandon my opposition to that. (I'm against that/pro male solidarity) it's both a sad reality (there were experiments on college campuses where it was over 400% easier for men to secure dates with women that already had boyfriends than with single women) and something I've observed for years as single women are almost invariably hostile to me while women with men often seem to have crushes.

Essentially single women "no ones good enough for me unless I need a prop at the moment for my self esteem or hit the wall so want a baby soon", woman with a man "anyone that seems better than my man today is an opportunity".

My confidence and sense of worth in the market has risen the past few years I get a lot of positive assessments from middle aged women and even ones just several years older than me and respect of people in general toward me has grown over the years outside a small number of haters (mostly influenced by a christian hating homosexual slanderer) but the cultural and legal climate is just too hostile/dangerous to straight men for me to pursue anyone in person in person I'd have to be the one pursued which requires being desired enough for a woman to overcome passivity in the active dating role I'm essentially restricted when it comes to starting anything to online.

I think the old fashioned ways of outsourcing initiation/invitation through peers and mediatorial advocates is better than modernity but I'm uncertain how much I have that option given the hostility expressed to me by management in 2017 in involving anyone in social interaction, conveying messages, advocating, mediating or even simply being a listening ear in respect to me and any romantic prospect they acted like it's criminally conspiring against people or something despite me never being half as critical of anyone in regard to anything I'd share as listeners assesments but would frame them in the best/most sympathetic light affordable the circumstances whilst women and homosexuals had free reign to unprovokedly slander and campaign against me ongoingly for over half a decade. It's evil in current year on his part for any of a man's peers to even have been exposed to/comprehend his side let alone be anything resembling an ally or seeker of peace even if they are neutral or slightly more aligned with the other party.
How about you try other nationalities of JWs. Like for example, here in the Philippines, foreigners(americans) are sought for even among JWs.
 

Jahrule

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How about you try other nationalities of JWs. Like for example, here in the Philippines, foreigners(americans) are sought for even among JWs.
That's a good suggestion for American men. I'd be cool with that. I love foreign women -- Philippines, Thailand, Japan. It's just too bad I'm not an active JW. It puts me in a weird position where the outside people would find me unusual because I'm a JW who argues for and against the Watchtower, and the JW women wouldn't be interested because they think I'm apostate. LOL. What a stupid situation. I always end up in limbo. But honest to God truth, a good faithful partner is worth traveling any distance for. Assuming you can afford that.

This makes me wonder how this stuff will work in the new world. Even if humans go long periods scattered through eternity without producing offspring, I suspect human couples will always exist. People will always fall in love. Those connection form bonds that leads to new lives, new experiences. But today, a person's attractiveness or value is largely determined by stuff that probably won't be a thing in God's new world. It's not going to be all about who can make the most money or get the highest status jobs. It won't only affect the perception of men. It will change women too. What constitutes an ideal companion will be perceived very differently from today. So even if we can't find true love in this place hope is not lost. In fact, I am willing to wager people in this future I am referring to will be very very happy they never had to date in this world.

Women aren't the only ones in danger out there.

 
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