Shunning those not Disfellowshipped

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
At first I was reluctant about posting this, but so many of you have shared the best and worst of your experiences so I feel I can rant or tearfully post about what I’ve experienced this last week.

As I’ve said before, my daughter and her husband have been shunning me because I questioned the WT about their handling of the vaccines. They had already backed away from speaking to me because of communicating with my younger son who’s DF.
I was told by my son in law that they would only do so if it was an emergency. But I’m not even DF either.

Well, that proved to be a lie because of what’s happened to me this past week. For years I’ve had problems with my neck shoulders and sciatica but not to such an extreme as now. A sister took me to my chiropractor because I couldn’t even drive. My chiropractor would only do a minor adjustment with my neck because I was so extremely sensitive there. Then he worked on my sciatic which gave me a little relief. On a scale of 1-10 my pain was a 10. He said I had torticollis, That is spasms in every muscle in my neck. The pain is so intense I would be crying like a baby!

I’m in so much pain trying to do just about anything…even trying to eat! So I thought I’d call my daughter to let her know that I needed her to help me out with getting some things done around the house and help me get around. I got no response and when checking my phone, I noticed a message saying that she had her notifications silenced. Even after I specifically let her know what I’ve been going through. Well, so much for helping out in an emergency.

You see I’m not usually one who wants to depend on others, even family, unless I’m in real need. When my husband was alive we could usually depend on each other for help in situations such as this. Now, I feel so helpless because of the painful effort it takes just to walk across the room.

Last night I thought I’d call my SIL’s grandmother, she‘s the one who raised him and his siblings. She’s also a forth generation JW.
I kind of figured I could talk to her because she has a more balanced and realistic view on matters like this. Btw she never got the vaccine and she’s 83 years old. She also hasn’t been sick throughout this so called pandemic and knows that the masks don’t work. But my SIL, her grandson keeps on trying to force her to take it! Unbelievable, these people!

Anyway, I proceeded to let her know what’s been going on, even about the GB and me speaking to my DF son. Btw, I really believe I can trust her not to go report this to the elders. But at this point I really don’t care.
She said that despite all of that I was still her mother and a widow now and didn’t deserve to be neglected like this. When I talked to her a little later she let me know that she sent this message, letting her grandson know this and it was their responsibility to be looking out after me.

Some of the friends have called and brought me something over to eat and for that I am thankful. A couple of them will call in to check on me too.
But every time I move, especially getting up to walk the pain is so excruciating….all I can do is cry out to Jehovah!

I also can’t help but think about the daughter I had, I feel I no longer know her anymore. She was one of the most thoughtful and considerate people you could meet. Friends use to always tell me how they appreciated her because of that. I hate to say it but I really never thought she’d be so insensitive like this. I pray to Jehovah that she will wake up from this illusion soon.

Meanwhile, I think if nothing else, all of this I’m going through will make me stronger. But if my daughter were to call or come to see me now I would welcome her with open arms! I still love her with all my heart and always will.

I would never treat anyone who was going through this with such coldness. That also goes for anyone having to experience the effects of shunning for whatever reasons they might be. And the WT says this is showing LOVE!
No, they don’t show the genuine Godly love Jesus taught and because of that many suffer one way or another.
 
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kirmmy

Well-known member
At first I was reluctant about posting this, but so many of you have shared the best and worst of your experiences and I feel I can rant or tearfully post about what I’ve experienced this last week.

As I’ve said before, my daughter and her husband have been shunning me because I questioned the WT about their handling of the vaccines. They had already backed away from speaking to me because of communicating with my younger son who’s DF.
I was told by my son in law that they would only do so if it was an emergency. But I’m not even DF either.

Well, that proved to be a lie because of what’s happened to me this past week. For years I’ve had problems with my neck shoulders and sciatica but not to such an extreme as now. A sister took me to my chiropractor because I couldn’t even drive. My chiropractor would only do a minor adjustment with my neck because I was so extremely sensitive there. Then he worked on my sciatic which gave me a little relief. On a scale of 1-10 my pain was a 10. He said I had torticollis, That is spasms in every muscle in my neck. The pain is so intense I would be crying like a baby!

I’m in so much pain trying to do just about anything…even trying to eat! So I thought I’d call my daughter to let her know that I needed help me out with getting some things around here and to help me get around. I got no response and on checking my phone to see I noticed a message saying that she had her notifications silenced. Even after I specifically let her know what I’ve been going through. Well, so much for helping out in an emergency.

You see I’m not usually one who wants to depend on others, even family unless I’m in real need. When my husband was alive we could usually depend on each other for help in situations such as this. Now, I feel so helpless because of the painful effort it takes just to walk across the room.

Last night I thought I’d call my SIL’s grandmother, she‘s the one who raised him and his siblings. She’s also a forth generation JW.
I kind of figured I could talk to her because she has a more balanced and realistic view on matters like this. Btw she never got the vaccine and she’s 83 years old. She also hasn’t been sick throughout this so called pandemic and knows that the masks don’t work. But my SIL, her grandson keeps on trying to force her to take it! Unbelievable, these people!

Anyway, I proceeded to let her know what’s been going on, even about the GB and speaking to my DF son. Btw, I really believe I can trust her not to go report this to the elders. But at this point I really don’t care.
She said that despite all of that I was still her mother and a widow now and didn’t deserve to be neglected like this. When I talked to her a little later she let me know that she sent this message, letting her grandson know this and it was their responsibility to be looking out after me.

Some of the friends have called and brought me something to eat and for that I am thankful. A couple of them will call in to check on me too.
But every time I move, especially getting up to walk the pain is so excruciating….all I can do is cry out to Jehovah!

I also can’t help but think about the daughter I feel I know longer know, from the thoughtful and considerate person she use to be before. Friends use to always tell me how they appreciated her because of that. I hate to say it but I really never thought she’d be so insensitive like this. I pray to Jehovah that she will wake up from this illusion soon.

Meanwhile, I think if nothing else it’ll make me stronger. If my daughter were to call or come to see me I would welcome her with open arms! I still love her with all my heart and always will.

I would never treat anyone who was going through this with such coldness. That also goes for anyone having to experience the effects of shunning for whatever reasons they might be. And the WT says this is showing LOVE!
No, they don’t show the genuine Godly love Jesus taught and because of that many suffer one way or another.
I'm very sorry to hear this. Please let your health be your first priority. Being in that kind of pain is crippling and demoralizing. The only thing I can offer is prayer. Maintain hope for your relatives, anything can happen. Hopefully they'll see the light as we go forward into the madness.
 

PJ54

Well-known member
This is disconcerting because what if it was something where you ended up in the ER. You wouldn't be able to do much & would need support. Also, what if the situation was potentially deadly? Would your family let you die? This is such a slippery slope here. Btw, has the doctor given anything for pain management?
 

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
I'm very sorry to hear this. Please let your health be your first priority. Being in that kind of pain is crippling and demoralizing. The only thing I can offer is prayer. Maintain hope for your relatives, anything can happen. Hopefully they'll see the light as we go forward into the madness.
Thank you so much for your support @kirmmy It really means a lot to me.
I’m praying to Jehovah that my health will continue to improve this week. Besides, I’m not use to staying still for so long. It’s a struggle. So that’s more of an incentive for me.
 

Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
This is disconcerting because what if it was something where you ended up in the ER. You wouldn't be able to do much & would need support. Also, what if the situation was potentially deadly? Would your family let you die? This is such a slippery slope here. Btw, has the doctor given anything for pain management?
PJ I don’t think that chiropractors prescribe anything like that. I’ve never been too crazy about taking pain killers because I hate the after effects they have on me and most times they never worked. Also I don’t want to go to a regular medical doctor because I don’t want to be asked all thesequestions about Covid and if I’ve taken the shot.

But I did get pretty desperate yesterday and had to ask a sister if she happened to have any. She didn’t have any but that probably wasn’t a good idea to ask but sometimes they will offer them first. Anyway, I’ll probably ask my doctor tomorrow.

Thanks for your concern.
 
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Ms_ladyblue

Well-known member
This is disconcerting because what if it was something where you ended up in the ER. You wouldn't be able to do much & would need support. Also, what if the situation was potentially deadly? Would your family let you die? This is such a slippery slope here. Btw, has the doctor given anything for pain management?
PJ, I really don’t know how they would respond. I never would’ve thought they would completely ignore my request the way they have. It’s very disconcerting to me too.

Yesterday, I came across the scripture that clearly shows how Jehovah feels toward those who ignore those in need of help at Proverbs 21:13 “ Whoever stops up his ear to the cry of the lowly one will himself call and not be answered.”

That’s a sobering thought. All I can do is leave them alone and let Jehovah handle those matters. Meanwhile, I just do what I need to do to recuperate from this.
 

Cristo

Well-known member
@Ms_ladyblue
I feel for you as one who has experienced that sort of pain, and can truly empathize with what you are going through on that level. It is excruciating when it spasms. Trying to find the right position where it stops seems almost impossible, only to move just a slight bit and have the spasm come back. You NEED to go to the doctor and get a muscle relaxer and allow the muscles to settle down. Do this as soon as possible as it will bring you relief. They may even give you a shot of Toradol, an anti inflammatorily pain killer which will immediately help your condition.

I'm sorry you are going through this, along with your family members and such. Hang in there, my prayers are with you along with many others it sounds.
 

PJ54

Well-known member
PJ I don’t think that chiropractors prescribe anything like that. I’ve never been too crazy about taking pain killers because I hate the after effects they have on me and most times they never worked. Also I don’t want to go to a regular medical doctor because I don’t want to be asked all theses questions about Covid and if I’ve taken the shot.

But I did get pretty desperate yesterday and had to ask a sister if she happened to have any. She didn’t have any but that probably wasn’t a good idea to ask but sometimes they will offer them first. Anyway, I’ll probably ask my doctor tomorrow.

Thanks for your concern.
PJ, I really don’t know how they would respond. I never would’ve thought they would completely ignore my request the way they have. It’s very disconcerting to me too.

Yesterday, I came across the scripture that clearly shows how Jehovah feels toward those who ignore those in need of help at Proverbs 21:13 “ Whoever stops up his ear to the cry of the lowly one will himself call and not be answered.”

That’s a sobering thought. All I can do is leave them alone and let Jehovah handle those matters. Meanwhile, I just do what I need to do to recuperate from this.
Leaving it in God's hands is all you can do at this point. Just take it one step at a time, even if it's baby steps. I know of a legal potent pain killer that you can get. It's just that it can be habit forming if you take it multiple times daily. When you have it you give your body 36 hours to process through.
 

JMJ

Well-known member
At first I was reluctant about posting this, but so many of you have shared the best and worst of your experiences and I feel I can rant or tearfully post about what I’ve experienced this last week.

As I’ve said before, my daughter and her husband have been shunning me because I questioned the WT about their handling of the vaccines. They had already backed away from speaking to me because of communicating with my younger son who’s DF.
I was told by my son in law that they would only do so if it was an emergency. But I’m not even DF either.

Well, that proved to be a lie because of what’s happened to me this past week. For years I’ve had problems with my neck shoulders and sciatica but not to such an extreme as now. A sister took me to my chiropractor because I couldn’t even drive. My chiropractor would only do a minor adjustment with my neck because I was so extremely sensitive there. Then he worked on my sciatic which gave me a little relief. On a scale of 1-10 my pain was a 10. He said I had torticollis, That is spasms in every muscle in my neck. The pain is so intense I would be crying like a baby!

I’m in so much pain trying to do just about anything…even trying to eat! So I thought I’d call my daughter to let her know that I needed help me out with getting some things around here and to help me get around. I got no response and on checking my phone to see I noticed a message saying that she had her notifications silenced. Even after I specifically let her know what I’ve been going through. Well, so much for helping out in an emergency.

You see I’m not usually one who wants to depend on others, even family unless I’m in real need. When my husband was alive we could usually depend on each other for help in situations such as this. Now, I feel so helpless because of the painful effort it takes just to walk across the room.

Last night I thought I’d call my SIL’s grandmother, she‘s the one who raised him and his siblings. She’s also a forth generation JW.
I kind of figured I could talk to her because she has a more balanced and realistic view on matters like this. Btw she never got the vaccine and she’s 83 years old. She also hasn’t been sick throughout this so called pandemic and knows that the masks don’t work. But my SIL, her grandson keeps on trying to force her to take it! Unbelievable, these people!

Anyway, I proceeded to let her know what’s been going on, even about the GB and speaking to my DF son. Btw, I really believe I can trust her not to go report this to the elders. But at this point I really don’t care.
She said that despite all of that I was still her mother and a widow now and didn’t deserve to be neglected like this. When I talked to her a little later she let me know that she sent this message, letting her grandson know this and it was their responsibility to be looking out after me.

Some of the friends have called and brought me something to eat and for that I am thankful. A couple of them will call in to check on me too.
But every time I move, especially getting up to walk the pain is so excruciating….all I can do is cry out to Jehovah!

I also can’t help but think about the daughter I feel I know longer know, from the thoughtful and considerate person she use to be before. Friends use to always tell me how they appreciated her because of that. I hate to say it but I really never thought she’d be so insensitive like this. I pray to Jehovah that she will wake up from this illusion soon.

Meanwhile, I think if nothing else it’ll make me stronger. If my daughter were to call or come to see me I would welcome her with open arms! I still love her with all my heart and always will.

I would never treat anyone who was going through this with such coldness. That also goes for anyone having to experience the effects of shunning for whatever reasons they might be. And the WT says this is showing LOVE!
No, they don’t show the genuine Godly love Jesus taught and because of that many suffer one way or another.
You have my sympathies with the muscle spasms . I damaged my shoulder , then two vertebrae on my spine , as well as four at the base of my spine .My hips are also worn out . I also have Sarcoidosis .( a rare disease , mainly found in the Black ,Norse , and Irish races .I am Irish ) Mine is on lungs and lymph nodes . I go into spasm . It is a terrible , and uncontrollable pain .I recently caught Covid . The stomach muscles went into spasm . That was the most painful part .Not being able to breath well , plus always wanting to cough was a nightmare , but the spasms , and then the pain after from hurting the muscles was unbearable . Four weeks on and my stomach is still sore .I took nothing for the Covid , but I am taking vitamins now .
 

Maybelle

Well-known member
Wow how horrible for you on all levels. So sorry about your pain and suffering.
As regards to your daughter I am so sorry. It’s unchristian and wrong. You said your daughter didn’t used to be like this? Do you think this her husbands influence over her? I hope your pain eases and she reaches out to you
 

MickHewitt

Well-known member
At first I was reluctant about posting this, but so many of you have shared the best and worst of your experiences and I feel I can rant or tearfully post about what I’ve experienced this last week.

As I’ve said before, my daughter and her husband have been shunning me because I questioned the WT about their handling of the vaccines. They had already backed away from speaking to me because of communicating with my younger son who’s DF.
I was told by my son in law that they would only do so if it was an emergency. But I’m not even DF either.

Well, that proved to be a lie because of what’s happened to me this past week. For years I’ve had problems with my neck shoulders and sciatica but not to such an extreme as now. A sister took me to my chiropractor because I couldn’t even drive. My chiropractor would only do a minor adjustment with my neck because I was so extremely sensitive there. Then he worked on my sciatic which gave me a little relief. On a scale of 1-10 my pain was a 10. He said I had torticollis, That is spasms in every muscle in my neck. The pain is so intense I would be crying like a baby!

I’m in so much pain trying to do just about anything…even trying to eat! So I thought I’d call my daughter to let her know that I needed help me out with getting some things around here and to help me get around. I got no response and on checking my phone to see I noticed a message saying that she had her notifications silenced. Even after I specifically let her know what I’ve been going through. Well, so much for helping out in an emergency.

You see I’m not usually one who wants to depend on others, even family unless I’m in real need. When my husband was alive we could usually depend on each other for help in situations such as this. Now, I feel so helpless because of the painful effort it takes just to walk across the room.

Last night I thought I’d call my SIL’s grandmother, she‘s the one who raised him and his siblings. She’s also a forth generation JW.
I kind of figured I could talk to her because she has a more balanced and realistic view on matters like this. Btw she never got the vaccine and she’s 83 years old. She also hasn’t been sick throughout this so called pandemic and knows that the masks don’t work. But my SIL, her grandson keeps on trying to force her to take it! Unbelievable, these people!

Anyway, I proceeded to let her know what’s been going on, even about the GB and speaking to my DF son. Btw, I really believe I can trust her not to go report this to the elders. But at this point I really don’t care.
She said that despite all of that I was still her mother and a widow now and didn’t deserve to be neglected like this. When I talked to her a little later she let me know that she sent this message, letting her grandson know this and it was their responsibility to be looking out after me.

Some of the friends have called and brought me something to eat and for that I am thankful. A couple of them will call in to check on me too.
But every time I move, especially getting up to walk the pain is so excruciating….all I can do is cry out to Jehovah!

I also can’t help but think about the daughter I feel I know longer know, from the thoughtful and considerate person she use to be before. Friends use to always tell me how they appreciated her because of that. I hate to say it but I really never thought she’d be so insensitive like this. I pray to Jehovah that she will wake up from this illusion soon.

Meanwhile, I think if nothing else it’ll make me stronger. If my daughter were to call or come to see me I would welcome her with open arms! I still love her with all my heart and always will.

I would never treat anyone who was going through this with such coldness. That also goes for anyone having to experience the effects of shunning for whatever reasons they might be. And the WT says this is showing LOVE!
No, they don’t show the genuine Godly love Jesus taught and because of that many suffer one way or another.
How sad: The ones we skipped with to the kingdom hall have rejected us, even our children have turned their backs on us! Jehovah is still our Father and Christ is our King...too bad for them! And we are informed of the calamity!
 
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kenmuldoon55

Well-known member
At first I was reluctant about posting this, but so many of you have shared the best and worst of your experiences and I feel I can rant or tearfully post about what I’ve experienced this last week.

As I’ve said before, my daughter and her husband have been shunning me because I questioned the WT about their handling of the vaccines. They had already backed away from speaking to me because of communicating with my younger son who’s DF.
I was told by my son in law that they would only do so if it was an emergency. But I’m not even DF either.

Well, that proved to be a lie because of what’s happened to me this past week. For years I’ve had problems with my neck shoulders and sciatica but not to such an extreme as now. A sister took me to my chiropractor because I couldn’t even drive. My chiropractor would only do a minor adjustment with my neck because I was so extremely sensitive there. Then he worked on my sciatic which gave me a little relief. On a scale of 1-10 my pain was a 10. He said I had torticollis, That is spasms in every muscle in my neck. The pain is so intense I would be crying like a baby!

I’m in so much pain trying to do just about anything…even trying to eat! So I thought I’d call my daughter to let her know that I needed help me out with getting some things around here and to help me get around. I got no response and on checking my phone to see I noticed a message saying that she had her notifications silenced. Even after I specifically let her know what I’ve been going through. Well, so much for helping out in an emergency.

You see I’m not usually one who wants to depend on others, even family unless I’m in real need. When my husband was alive we could usually depend on each other for help in situations such as this. Now, I feel so helpless because of the painful effort it takes just to walk across the room.

Last night I thought I’d call my SIL’s grandmother, she‘s the one who raised him and his siblings. She’s also a forth generation JW.
I kind of figured I could talk to her because she has a more balanced and realistic view on matters like this. Btw she never got the vaccine and she’s 83 years old. She also hasn’t been sick throughout this so called pandemic and knows that the masks don’t work. But my SIL, her grandson keeps on trying to force her to take it! Unbelievable, these people!

Anyway, I proceeded to let her know what’s been going on, even about the GB and speaking to my DF son. Btw, I really believe I can trust her not to go report this to the elders. But at this point I really don’t care.
She said that despite all of that I was still her mother and a widow now and didn’t deserve to be neglected like this. When I talked to her a little later she let me know that she sent this message, letting her grandson know this and it was their responsibility to be looking out after me.

Some of the friends have called and brought me something to eat and for that I am thankful. A couple of them will call in to check on me too.
But every time I move, especially getting up to walk the pain is so excruciating….all I can do is cry out to Jehovah!

I also can’t help but think about the daughter I feel I know longer know, from the thoughtful and considerate person she use to be before. Friends use to always tell me how they appreciated her because of that. I hate to say it but I really never thought she’d be so insensitive like this. I pray to Jehovah that she will wake up from this illusion soon.

Meanwhile, I think if nothing else it’ll make me stronger. If my daughter were to call or come to see me I would welcome her with open arms! I still love her with all my heart and always will.

I would never treat anyone who was going through this with such coldness. That also goes for anyone having to experience the effects of shunning for whatever reasons they might be. And the WT says this is showing LOVE!
No, they don’t show the genuine Godly love Jesus taught and because of that many suffer one way or another.
And the seven ghouls up at Warwick rub their hands together with glee knowing their weaponization of the shunning process keeps doubters in line despite the fact that families are destroyed on account of it.
Hopefully ,when the time comes and the sheep finally realize they’ve been betrayed, they’ll mete out street justice to those self absorbed fattened leeches on “would be Kings” drive.
Sorry but this really pi#%es me off.
Sorry sister, I’ll keep you in my prayers.
 
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Jennifer

Well-known member
At first I was reluctant about posting this, but so many of you have shared the best and worst of your experiences and I feel I can rant or tearfully post about what I’ve experienced this last week.

As I’ve said before, my daughter and her husband have been shunning me because I questioned the WT about their handling of the vaccines. They had already backed away from speaking to me because of communicating with my younger son who’s DF.
I was told by my son in law that they would only do so if it was an emergency. But I’m not even DF either.

Well, that proved to be a lie because of what’s happened to me this past week. For years I’ve had problems with my neck shoulders and sciatica but not to such an extreme as now. A sister took me to my chiropractor because I couldn’t even drive. My chiropractor would only do a minor adjustment with my neck because I was so extremely sensitive there. Then he worked on my sciatic which gave me a little relief. On a scale of 1-10 my pain was a 10. He said I had torticollis, That is spasms in every muscle in my neck. The pain is so intense I would be crying like a baby!

I’m in so much pain trying to do just about anything…even trying to eat! So I thought I’d call my daughter to let her know that I needed help me out with getting some things around here and to help me get around. I got no response and on checking my phone to see I noticed a message saying that she had her notifications silenced. Even after I specifically let her know what I’ve been going through. Well, so much for helping out in an emergency.

You see I’m not usually one who wants to depend on others, even family unless I’m in real need. When my husband was alive we could usually depend on each other for help in situations such as this. Now, I feel so helpless because of the painful effort it takes just to walk across the room.

Last night I thought I’d call my SIL’s grandmother, she‘s the one who raised him and his siblings. She’s also a forth generation JW.
I kind of figured I could talk to her because she has a more balanced and realistic view on matters like this. Btw she never got the vaccine and she’s 83 years old. She also hasn’t been sick throughout this so called pandemic and knows that the masks don’t work. But my SIL, her grandson keeps on trying to force her to take it! Unbelievable, these people!

Anyway, I proceeded to let her know what’s been going on, even about the GB and speaking to my DF son. Btw, I really believe I can trust her not to go report this to the elders. But at this point I really don’t care.
She said that despite all of that I was still her mother and a widow now and didn’t deserve to be neglected like this. When I talked to her a little later she let me know that she sent this message, letting her grandson know this and it was their responsibility to be looking out after me.

Some of the friends have called and brought me something to eat and for that I am thankful. A couple of them will call in to check on me too.
But every time I move, especially getting up to walk the pain is so excruciating….all I can do is cry out to Jehovah!

I also can’t help but think about the daughter I feel I know longer know, from the thoughtful and considerate person she use to be before. Friends use to always tell me how they appreciated her because of that. I hate to say it but I really never thought she’d be so insensitive like this. I pray to Jehovah that she will wake up from this illusion soon.

Meanwhile, I think if nothing else it’ll make me stronger. If my daughter were to call or come to see me I would welcome her with open arms! I still love her with all my heart and always will.

I would never treat anyone who was going through this with such coldness. That also goes for anyone having to experience the effects of shunning for whatever reasons they might be. And the WT says this is showing LOVE!
No, they don’t show the genuine Godly love Jesus taught and because of that many suffer one way or another.
Ma_ladyblue. Was so sad to read this a few hours ago and couldn’t respond then. Please remember that your family is truly brainwashed by the GB You know your own daughter you know this is not her usual self. The conditioning is deep and it is all too real

I’m so pleased you are communicating with your DF son. I loved reading that. Your SILs grandmother sounds like a lovely person. I hope she gave her son and your daughter a verbal beating. They need it to wake them

I’m glad you posted so very glad. Know that we are here for you. I hope you manage to get your pain under control very soon You are in my prayers Ma_ladyblue. Jehovah will hear us.
 

PJ54

Well-known member
Hopefully ,when the time comes and the sheep finally realize they’ve been betrayed, they’ll mete out street justice to those self absorbed fattened leeches on “Kings” drive.
I hate to be that guy Ken but I honestly think the flock will be in a position where they realize they're in the beast's mouth getting crunched all the while Babylon will be getting the dripping blood of the flock into her goblet while getting drunk. That's when they'll know they are betrayed & those in power at Bethel will be sitting with great harlot on the beast (albeit quite snuggly). Hopefully, most will flee before that point though.
 

kenmuldoon55

Well-known member
I hate to be that guy Ken but I honestly think the flock will be in a position where they realize they're in the beast's mouth getting crunched all the while Babylon will be getting the dripping blood of the flock into her goblet while getting drunk. That's when they'll know they are betrayed & those in power at Bethel will be sitting with great harlot on the beast (albeit quite snuggly). Hopefully, most will flee before that point though.
The WT leadership will seek to live the lifestyle they’ve become accustomed to during the distress of Jehovahs day.
Unfortunately ,as you point out brother PJ, that lifestyle will probably be provided them by the eighth king for favors rendered.
 

Nomex

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I just happened to watch "Michael's Story" on "Watchtower History" YouTube channel yesterday. Michael had become an Elder, and was so disgusted by the handling of judicial cases, the fact that a pedophile had moved into his congregation and he wasn't supposed to alert family's in the congregation, (he did anyway.) He finally got online and started to find out the truth about WT. He told his Elders about Jefferey Jackson admitting to to the Australian court that it would be "presumptuous" to claim they were "God's only channel". His elders told him that was a doctored video and it had been edited I assume by "Apostates"...(It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.) He stepped down as an elder and stopped going to meetings.

Then the Elders started stalking his family, even showing up at his daughters work, and even going so far as to tell his wife to leave him. He was getting a restraining order against them to stop them from coming to his house. Finally, and sadly, Michael committed suicide a few mouths ago.

What WT has done and is doing is just unspeakable. I think "paradise" is going to suck, if it's populated by theses jerks! But I think one of the reason's Jehovah is allowing this to go on, is because "it does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his steps." WT like all of mankind's institutions, has been corrupted by the intoxication of power that does not belong to men!

It's hard to witness this behavior from people who claim to be Christ disciples. I do think though that most will be shaken out of their stupor when WT comes crashing down. I hope anyway!
 

MickHewitt

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At first I was reluctant about posting this, but so many of you have shared the best and worst of your experiences and I feel I can rant or tearfully post about what I’ve experienced this last week.

As I’ve said before, my daughter and her husband have been shunning me because I questioned the WT about their handling of the vaccines. They had already backed away from speaking to me because of communicating with my younger son who’s DF.
I was told by my son in law that they would only do so if it was an emergency. But I’m not even DF either.

Well, that proved to be a lie because of what’s happened to me this past week. For years I’ve had problems with my neck shoulders and sciatica but not to such an extreme as now. A sister took me to my chiropractor because I couldn’t even drive. My chiropractor would only do a minor adjustment with my neck because I was so extremely sensitive there. Then he worked on my sciatic which gave me a little relief. On a scale of 1-10 my pain was a 10. He said I had torticollis, That is spasms in every muscle in my neck. The pain is so intense I would be crying like a baby!

I’m in so much pain trying to do just about anything…even trying to eat! So I thought I’d call my daughter to let her know that I needed help me out with getting some things around here and to help me get around. I got no response and on checking my phone to see I noticed a message saying that she had her notifications silenced. Even after I specifically let her know what I’ve been going through. Well, so much for helping out in an emergency.

You see I’m not usually one who wants to depend on others, even family unless I’m in real need. When my husband was alive we could usually depend on each other for help in situations such as this. Now, I feel so helpless because of the painful effort it takes just to walk across the room.

Last night I thought I’d call my SIL’s grandmother, she‘s the one who raised him and his siblings. She’s also a forth generation JW.
I kind of figured I could talk to her because she has a more balanced and realistic view on matters like this. Btw she never got the vaccine and she’s 83 years old. She also hasn’t been sick throughout this so called pandemic and knows that the masks don’t work. But my SIL, her grandson keeps on trying to force her to take it! Unbelievable, these people!

Anyway, I proceeded to let her know what’s been going on, even about the GB and speaking to my DF son. Btw, I really believe I can trust her not to go report this to the elders. But at this point I really don’t care.
She said that despite all of that I was still her mother and a widow now and didn’t deserve to be neglected like this. When I talked to her a little later she let me know that she sent this message, letting her grandson know this and it was their responsibility to be looking out after me.

Some of the friends have called and brought me something to eat and for that I am thankful. A couple of them will call in to check on me too.
But every time I move, especially getting up to walk the pain is so excruciating….all I can do is cry out to Jehovah!

I also can’t help but think about the daughter I feel I know longer know, from the thoughtful and considerate person she use to be before. Friends use to always tell me how they appreciated her because of that. I hate to say it but I really never thought she’d be so insensitive like this. I pray to Jehovah that she will wake up from this illusion soon.

Meanwhile, I think if nothing else it’ll make me stronger. If my daughter were to call or come to see me I would welcome her with open arms! I still love her with all my heart and always will.

I would never treat anyone who was going through this with such coldness. That also goes for anyone having to experience the effects of shunning for whatever reasons they might be. And the WT says this is showing LOVE!
No, they don’t show the genuine Godly love Jesus taught and because of that many suffer one way or another.
Psalmist at 35:11 onwards really expresses the feelings here?
 
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