Shunning those not Disfellowshipped

MickHewitt said:
Nov 9th 1978 Paul Volcker Economist later became chairman of the FDR said "A controlled disintegration of the world economy is a legitimate object for the eighties" .... 2 min in...
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Nomex said:
There is something very wrong on a fundamental level with the systemic treatment of people who don't meat the "approved" status of the other "good" JW's.

My mother brought a woman in to the truth many years ago. She was living with a guy I think, and they did end up getting married, but later split up. He never came into the truth. Any way, she had two kids. A boy and girl. The boy was I think somewhere between 12-15 years younger vthan me...but I ended up becoming very close to him, and we all felt like they were an extended part of our family. My father did a lot to look out for them, and she worked for him for a while.

Any way, he and his sister ended up getting DF'd some time later. Some years after that, the boy, now a young man, had had a "breakdown", over a girl, and ended up in one of those facilities where they put you if you threaten suicide.

His mother had no idea any of this had gone on, and his sister had tried to reach out to her to tell her what was going on. Mind you, he'd just attempted suicide. I don't remember all the details this has been years ago now, but what i do know for sure is his Mom was staying with an Elder and his wife, (maybe she was out of town on a quick build, or something like that.) Her daughter called this "brothers" house, and he refused to let her talk to her Mom, because he knew she was DF'd. She ended up calling me, and I called this prick, and got on the phone with his Mom to tell her what was going on! Just outrageous! In excusable!

"I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, that you also love one another.By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.” John 13: 34,35

Zero, absolutely ZERO, self awareness!
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In the parable of the prodigal son, the brother who was spiteful and angry at the return of his brother, despite the fathers warm reception , aptly portrays the WTs treatment of those brothers and sisters who’ve fallen by the wayside.
 
kenmuldoon55 said:
In the parable of the prodigal son, the brother who was spiteful and angry at the return of his brother, despite the fathers warm reception , aptly portrays the WTs treatment of those brothers and sisters who’ve fallen by the wayside.
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If you look at this issue in isolation, this is how it sounds to any reasonable person.
Patient to psychiatrist: “I do not speak to my son because i love him very much.”
Psychiatrist: “How will this help mend your relationship with your son”.
Patient: “It will show him that I am right and he is wrong and that I have thrown him out of my house, and refuse to reason with him and won’t even answer the phone if he or his family need help because I love him so much and want him to come home.”
Psychiatrist glances at patients head, but there is no tinfoil hat there. “So you threw him out of your home because you want him to come home? Is he of the same religion as you?”
“Yes”.
”Well surely you can speak to him when he attends?”
”No. I have to ignore him and turn my back on him because I love him.”
Psychiatrist furtively looks at a bottle of whisky under his desk and thinks perhaps that this was the wrong week to give up drinking. “So no matter what, you are not speaking to your son and will not extend him any help whatsoever?”
”Correct. You would do the same I’m sure. It’s for their own good.”
”Who told you that?”
”I was advised by a chap who lives in New York State in a grand marble lined mansion for free. He said it was the loving thing to do. He said that God channels advice through him and his other mates but not directly of course, as that would be presumptuous to assume that, but nonetheless, I should believe what he says otherwise I will end up like my son and no one will speak with me - but if that were to be the case and I was thrown out for speaking with and associating with my son, I could have him home and speak with him as much as I want, but my wife and my other children will throw me and my son out of the house and not speak with me.
”Do you know this guy?”
”Nope. Never met him but he would not lie to me. He said so in an article in one of his magazines he prints so it must be true. Is there something wrong with me doctor?”
”Yes, you seem to have a severe case of Gaslightus.”
”Any cure doctor?”
”Yes, indeed there is. Get a group of like minded people and read and discuss the bible together…”
”But the man in the mansion said that we are not to do that and that they will do it for us, in case we get the wrong understanding…”
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
If you look at this issue in isolation, this is how it sounds to any reasonable person.
Patient to psychiatrist: “I do not speak to my son because i love him very much.”
Psychiatrist: “How will this help mend your relationship with your son”.
Patient: “It will show him that I am right and he is wrong and that I have thrown him out of my house, and refuse to reason with him and won’t even answer the phone if he or his family need help because I love him so much and want him to come home.”
Psychiatrist glances at patients head, but there is no tinfoil hat there. “So you threw him out of your home because you want him to come home? Is he of the same religion as you?”
“Yes”.
”Well surely you can speak to him when he attends?”
”No. I have to ignore him and turn my back on him because I love him.”
Psychiatrist furtively looks at a bottle of whisky under his desk and thinks perhaps that this was the wrong week to give up drinking. “So no matter what, you are not speaking to your son and will not extend him any help whatsoever?”
”Correct. You would do the same I’m sure. It’s for their own good.”
”Who told you that?”
”I was advised by a chap who lives in New York State in a grand marble lined mansion for free. He said it was the loving thing to do. He said that God channels advice through him and his other mates but not directly of course, as that would be presumptuous to assume that, but nonetheless, I should believe what he says otherwise I will end up like my son and no one will speak with me - but if that were to be the case and I was thrown out for speaking with and associating with my son, I could have him home and speak with him as much as I want, but my wife and my other children will throw me and my son out of the house and not speak with me.
”Do you know this guy?”
”Nope. Never met him but he would not lie to me. He said so in an article in one of his magazines he prints so it must be true. Is there something wrong with me doctor?”
”Yes, you seem to have a severe case of Gaslightus.”
”Any cure doctor?”
”Yes, indeed there is. Get a group of like minded people and read and discuss the bible together…”
”But the man in the mansion said that we are not to do that and that they will do it for us, in case we get the wrong understanding…”
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BTD I wonder if it would be wise to send this to a witness? Like maybe one of my close relative witnesses? 😉

You know when you lay it out like that…which is exactly accurate…it will of course have the opposite affect on the one they say they love. ‘Gaslightus‘ is a serious disease and is definitely demon inspired.
 
Ms_ladyblue said:
BTD I wonder if it would be wise to send this to a witness? Like maybe one of my close relative witnesses? 😉

You know when you lay it out like that…which is exactly accurate…it will of course have the opposite affect on the one they say they love. ‘Gaslightus‘ is a serious disease and is definitely demon inspired.
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I’m sure they would think of some reason to reject such flagrant sarcasm. My sister is still shunning me, though she says she is not, but she has not contacted me for years except to check up if I’m still alive. Clearly then, an email once every 20 years or so is acceptable non-shunning shunning because she has not actually seen me or spoken to me, just sent a spam email. Perhaps I’ll write to head office and sneak on her for sending me an email and get her into a “back-room” counselling session with a bunch of “concerned” elders about socialising with diseased non-masked disassociated apostate family members. You never know, her husband may have to step down from his eldership for having an unruly wife speaking with apostate family. The shame of it!
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
I’m sure they would think of some reason to reject such flagrant sarcasm. My sister is still shunning me, though she says she is not, but she has not contacted me for years except to check up if I’m still alive. Clearly then, an email once every 20 years or so is acceptable non-shunning shunning because she has not actually seen me or spoken to me, just sent a spam email. Perhaps I’ll write to head office and sneak on her for sending me an email and get her into a “back-room” counselling session with a bunch of “concerned” elders about socialising with diseased non-masked disassociated apostate family members. You never know, her husband may have to step down from his eldership for having an unruly wife speaking with apostate family. The shame of it!
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You know, I didn’t know whether to laugh or take that as the reality of how it probably is! 😳
Nothing surprises or shocks me anymore.
 
BARNABY THE DOG. said:
If you look at this issue in isolation, this is how it sounds to any reasonable person.
Patient to psychiatrist: “I do not speak to my son because i love him very much.”
Psychiatrist: “How will this help mend your relationship with your son”.
Patient: “It will show him that I am right and he is wrong and that I have thrown him out of my house, and refuse to reason with him and won’t even answer the phone if he or his family need help because I love him so much and want him to come home.”
Psychiatrist glances at patients head, but there is no tinfoil hat there. “So you threw him out of your home because you want him to come home? Is he of the same religion as you?”
“Yes”.
”Well surely you can speak to him when he attends?”
”No. I have to ignore him and turn my back on him because I love him.”
Psychiatrist furtively looks at a bottle of whisky under his desk and thinks perhaps that this was the wrong week to give up drinking. “So no matter what, you are not speaking to your son and will not extend him any help whatsoever?”
”Correct. You would do the same I’m sure. It’s for their own good.”
”Who told you that?”
”I was advised by a chap who lives in New York State in a grand marble lined mansion for free. He said it was the loving thing to do. He said that God channels advice through him and his other mates but not directly of course, as that would be presumptuous to assume that, but nonetheless, I should believe what he says otherwise I will end up like my son and no one will speak with me - but if that were to be the case and I was thrown out for speaking with and associating with my son, I could have him home and speak with him as much as I want, but my wife and my other children will throw me and my son out of the house and not speak with me.
”Do you know this guy?”
”Nope. Never met him but he would not lie to me. He said so in an article in one of his magazines he prints so it must be true. Is there something wrong with me doctor?”
”Yes, you seem to have a severe case of Gaslightus.”
”Any cure doctor?”
”Yes, indeed there is. Get a group of like minded people and read and discuss the bible together…”
”But the man in the mansion said that we are not to do that and that they will do it for us, in case we get the wrong understanding…”
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Would make a great Monty Python skit Burt!
 
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