The first 4 seals are the horses and riders. Robert says the first seal is the "coming to power of the Kingdom", basically the return of Christ. This hasn't happened yet. We may not know that the first seal is opened until the following seals of worldwide war, famine, and death start to occur.
This makes sense. So, if the seals haven't been opened, then we probably shouldn't expect to hear "peace & security" anytime soon. I guess I'm asking if anyone has an opinion on what signs to look for. I don't know if Robert has mentioned anything about this elsewhere, but it popped into my head today since it seems like Trump could declare "peace & security" soon. Doesn't this happen before the 6th seal is opened? Or could it be before the 2nd seal? I'm truly confused right now. I would think that opening of the 1st seal would be something we will notice.
I was thinking of Luke 17:20 ---The Kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness.
Great point. So, that means it could already be upon us then.
I don't think so, but hopefully Robert will respond and share his understanding of the first seal with us.
If memory serves me the first 4 seals are opened in quick succession. At the least the first 2 most definitely are.
This is what we found Carl. It's not a direct answer to your questions about "peace and security" but, perhaps, it will help.
e-watchman.com
Thank you.This is what we found Carl. It's not a direct answer to your questions about "peace and security" but, perhaps, it will help.
"But, since it is reasonable that Christ unseals the scroll in a timely fashion we may expect the outbreak of global war, food shortages, earthquakes and pandemics to be the beginning pangs of distress that will build in intensity and lead directly into the time of great distress, also known as the great tribulation, at which point God intervenes to cut it short in order to prevent the extinction of mankind.
Since the ouster of Satan and the demons takes place immediately following the coming to power of the kingdom, which is what is symbolized by the opening of the first seal, the foretold “woe for the earth and sea” commensurate with their being hurled down to the earth must therefore coincide with the beginning pangs of distress and culminate with the great tribulation.
But rather than transpiring over the course of many decades the time of the end appears to be three and a half years in duration."
What takes place with the unsealing of the Apocalypse?
QUESTION: On page 46 (Chapter 3 The Harvest) of Jehovah himself Has Become King, you state: "The opening of the sixth seal INITIATES earth-shaking events associated with what Christ called a GREAT TRIBULATION". (My emphasis) If the opening of the sixth seal initiates the great tribulation, what...
The cry of "peace & security" immediately precedes the outbreak of WW3.
Now that makes sense! Thank you!
Could be political destruction, economical destruction, societal destruction..... this stuff get's more interesting the more you correlate it with the current things happening in the world.
I can also see once Trump declares to the world “Peace and Security” and before WW3 I can see the Empire (KON) assassinating Trump which would cause Civil War (Egyptians killing Egyptians) the same time WW3 beginsSince Jesus is coming like a thief in the night, that may mean his initial arrival will go undetected---the burglar alarms may not go off.
Daniel 11:40 indicates that the time of the end will begin when the king of the south engages in "a pushing" with the king of the north. The pushing aspect may go by unnoticed, or unrecognized. Obviously, the Watchtower is in no position to recognize it. They claim the pushing began in 1914 and has been ongoing ever since. Sadly, JWs are not even aware of how utterly ridiculous that is.
The response of the king of the north will be the flooding over, which must be WW3. It sure looks like Trump is doing some serious pushing to roll back what the globalists have done by flooding the US with millions of illegals, no doubt many trained terrorists. Trump seems intent on waging a real war against the drug cartels, and he is looking like he is not only going to end the war in Ukraine but enter into some alliance with Russia to develop the Arctic and Asia jointly. Trump is even pushing the Federal Reserve around, that's the Empire's cash cow. It seems to me that Trump has some grand scheme that he has not revealed. Whatever it is, the British Empire will not allow that to happen. Squeeze peace and security in there somewhere and KABOOM!
I have thought a lot about this, and in light of the fact that the 7th King, "recovers" from a "death blow" I think Trump getting killed is very likely. One way the KON could kill Trump is with a false flag event like an tactical nuke that takes out DC, and the US has to use it's Continuity of Government plans, but in the mean time the US is thrown into chaos, seemingly destroyed, only for the "deep state" to emerge from their bunkers, "safe and sound". So Trump manages some "peace deal" with Russia, although I think it's still going to take some time, the Trump admin has no idea that Russia is beating the crap outta Ukraine, so the idiots in his admin are giving Trump the typical Neo-Con talking points, not realizing Putin holds all the cards, he's winning so he's NOT going to make any concessions. So, I don't think a deal will be made this week, although, you never know the "peace and security" declaration does not have to be any where in the realm of possibility, just like there's no possibility Ukraine can win, that doesn't stop morons from believing in the impossible.
If you ever go to the City of London, as in the very center, it has this eerie, stagnant atmosphere about it, it's nice and shiny, brimming with activity, logistical mayhem, but you just know something is off about the whole place, it stinks of evil.
I'm glad I started it, since I learned something thanks to Jerry & Phyllis! For sooooo long I thought the declaration of "peace & security" came before the 6th seal was opened, which threw off so much of my conjecture. Sometimes I take things too literally, which causes problems. "Sudden destruction" doesn't have to mean the complete destruction mentioned as occurring after the 6th seal is opened. Robert's explanation makes much more sense.
I think one thing to keep in mind is whose destruction is it talking about? This "destruction" is NOT Armegedon. That's probably where a lot of confusion comes in amoung the R.& F. To me it suggests that what it is talking about is the destruction of the KOS.