Strange, illogical and impractical, the “New Doctrine”

SusanB

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In my morning meditation, I was considering the new doctrine being slyly worked into the JW psyche. And, I know pretty much all of this forum members agree with my conclusions but perhaps you each can add something thoughtful that may help new ones or lurkers. In my opinion, you may as well add unscriptural to the description of illogical etc., because that is what they are prepping the friends for. I personally know friends who have sacrificed their health and in one instance I know of a brother who sacrificed his life in compliance with this new “doctrine” by following their advice on the vaccine. In addition to creating a vulnerability for unscriptural ideas, it also seems to promote the idea of once saved, always saved, since they believe Jehovah would never allow the GB to become apostate or lead them in the wrong direction.

One of the members here pointed out that from his recollection they have been teaching this new doctrine since about 2013 and I do recall it being promoted well before the pandemic.

Ezekiel 18:24: “‘But when someone righteous abandons his righteousness and does what is wrong, doing all the detestable things the wicked do, will he live? None of the righteous acts that he did will be remembered. For his unfaithfulness and the sin he has committed, he will die.”
 

SusanB

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I just replied to a brother who sent to me a text that he missed me at the meeting. I thanked him for his concern and then said that my husband and I are sticking with the scriptures, such as, 2 Timothy 3:16, 17: “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.” And I added, “We don’t see anything strange, impractical or illogical in the scriptures.”

I’m going to start hammering that thought into the friends when I interact with them, in the hope that some will wake up to what is happening.
 
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Dorothea

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I think the bottom line is this: if the instruction truly comes from Jehovah, we need to follow it. But how can we be sure that the GB instructions are from Jehovah? Do we trust them just because they say we should? It was obvious to the Israelites that Moses was communicating with Jehovah - his face shown and they could see the smoke rising from the mountain where Moses would go to speak to Jehovah. The apostles knew Jesus. And Pentecost made it very clear that Jehovah's spirit had anointed the Christians to do his will. Not only that, but they had the gifts of the spirit which were unmistakable.

We have listened to the GB because they have taught us some precious truths. It seems as if Jehovah's spirit has been with this organization. But once they start telling us to do things that are unscriptural and in conformity with Satan's world's agenda, there is no reason left to trust them. We can't be like the ancient Jews who followed the lead of their corrupt priests in sacrificing to Baal.
 

PJ54

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In addition to creating a vulnerability for unscriptural ideas, it also seems to promote the idea of once saved, always saved, since they believe Jehovah would never allow the GB to become apostate or lead them in the wrong direction
This is a doctrine of a Born-Again Baptist/Pentecostal & some Protestants. That thinking goes in line with what Satan said to Jesus:
(Matthew 4:5-7) 5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’” 7 Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”
Satan referred to the scripture:
(Psalm 91:11, 12) 11 For he will give his angels a command concerning you, To guard you in all your ways. 12 They will carry you on their hands, So that you may not strike your foot against a stone.
Jesus countered him with the scripture:
(Deuteronomy 6:16) 16 “You must not put Jehovah your God to the test the way you put him to the test at Masʹsah.
Paul reminded the Christians in Corinth with scripture:
(1 Corinthians 10:9) 9 Neither let us put Jehovah to the test, as some of them put him to the test, only to perish by the serpents.
The point is the scripture can be twisted if one does not understand what it means. The view of nothing can go wrong from this point on is extremely dangerous since putting God to the test will warrant Jehovah's spirit to withdraw.
 

Dorothea

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Reminds me of the quote found in on page 27, of the February 15, 2009 Watchtower, par 11
"Since Jehovah and Jesus completely trust the faithful slave, should we not do the same"

RR
Who says Jehovah and Jesus completely trust the slave? They do. We just have to trust their word.

"Do not put your trust in princes nor in the son of man, who cannot bring salvation." - Psalm146:3
 

Jackie

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In my morning meditation, I was considering the new doctrine being slyly worked into the JW psyche. And, I know pretty much all of this forum members agree with my conclusions but perhaps you each can add something thoughtful that may help new ones or lurkers. In my opinion, you may as well add unscriptural to the description of illogical etc., because that is what they are prepping the friends for. I personally know friends who have sacrificed their health and in one instance I know of a brother who sacrificed his life in compliance with this new “doctrine” by following their advice on the vaccine. In addition to creating a vulnerability for unscriptural ideas, it also seems to promote the idea of once saved, always saved, since they believe Jehovah would never allow the GB to become apostate or lead them in the wrong direction.

One of the members here pointed out that from his recollection they have been teaching this new doctrine since about 2013 and I do recall it being promoted well before the pandemic.

Ezekiel 18:24: “‘But when someone righteous abandons his righteousness and does what is wrong, doing all the detestable things the wicked do, will he live? None of the righteous acts that he did will be remembered. For his unfaithfulness and the sin he has committed, he will die.”
They’ve been touting that for years. During a pioneer meeting in the 90s, the CO said that we would do well to follow the Society’s instructions even if it sounds strange like sit in a chair in the middle of a parking lot for hours. I thought yeah that is bizarre but I guess so as long as it doesn’t conflict with Jehovah’s laws but I see it was just a way to slowly get us used to the idea that odd instructions would be coming our way.
 

Jackie

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I think the bottom line is this: if the instruction truly comes from Jehovah, we need to follow it. But how can we be sure that the GB instructions are from Jehovah? Do we trust them just because they say we should? It was obvious to the Israelites that Moses was communicating with Jehovah - his face shown and they could see the smoke rising from the mountain where Moses would go to speak to Jehovah. The apostles knew Jesus. And Pentecost made it very clear that Jehovah's spirit had anointed the Christians to do his will. Not only that, but they had the gifts of the spirit which were unmistakable.

We have listened to the GB because they have taught us some precious truths. It seems as if Jehovah's spirit has been with this organization. But once they start telling us to do things that are unscriptural and in conformity with Satan's world's agenda, there is no reason left to trust them. We can't be like the ancient Jews who followed the lead of their corrupt priests in sacrificing to Baal.
The GB would have to perform miracles the likes of Moses, Jesus and the early Christians to insist on obeying strange, illogical, etc instructions. There was never any question who Jehovah was using to guide his people.
 

PJ54

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They’ve been touting that for years. During a pioneer meeting in the 90s, the CO said that we would do well to follow the Society’s instructions even if it sounds strange like sit in a chair in the middle of a parking lot for hours. I thought yeah that is bizarre but I guess so as long as it doesn’t conflict with Jehovah’s laws but I see it was just a way to slowly get us used to the idea that odd instructions would be coming our way.
It's like the people are being groomed into doing something that would put them in grave danger.
 

BillyRay

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Paragraph 11 in todays Watchtower study:

What else can help you to endure trials? As Anel pointed out, obedience. Learn to trust those whom Jehovah and Jesus trust. At times, those appointed to take the lead may give direction that does not make sense to us. However, Jehovah blesses obedience. We know from his Word and from the experiences of faithful servants that obedience saves lives. (Ex. 14:1-4; 2 Chron. 20:17) Meditate on such examples. Doing so will strengthen your resolve to cooperate with organizational arrangements now and in the future. (Heb. 13:17) You will thus have no reason to fear the greater storm that is soon to come.—Prov. 3:25.

We did not have one fawning comment from the congregation about the GB or F&DS.
 
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RR144

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Just remember "If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother,” (Watchtower, May 1, 1957, p. 274).

When I was a Witness, the old timers would refer to the Society as "mama".

RR
 

Jordan Seager

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The February Watchtower study, which is for a meeting in April will promote the idea that the friends must obey the GB even if the instructions seem strange, impractical or illogical.
This is something that really grinds my gears. There's 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Who do we listen to? Man or The Bible? If the GB gets up suddenly and start throwing crazy demands about, it is clearly not from God. The Organisation is becoming more and more irrelevant. As if Jehovah is bit by bit, disconnecting from it. If only it had a purge of it's corruption for a short time.......
 

a watcher

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This is something that really grinds my gears. There's 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Who do we listen to? Man or The Bible? If the GB gets up suddenly and start throwing crazy demands about, it is clearly not from God. The Organisation is becoming more and more irrelevant. As if Jehovah is bit by bit, disconnecting from it. If only it had a purge of it's corruption for a short time.......
The more bizarre the GB behaves, the more JWs will 'wake up'.
 
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SusanB

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I heard it referred to as 'Mother' in the '90s and it did not sit well with me.
Hosea 4:5: “So you will stumble in broad daylight, And the prophet will stumble with you, as if it were night. And I will silence your mother.”

I heard a brother say the same thing in a talk. He referred to the society as “our” mother. Thankfully we were on Zoom with the camera off because I immediately told my husband, she ain’t my mother!
 

Jackie

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Hosea 4:5: “So you will stumble in broad daylight, And the prophet will stumble with you, as if it were night. And I will silence your mother.”

I heard a brother say the same thing in a talk. He referred to the society as “our” mother. Thankfully we were on Zoom with the camera off because I immediately told my husband, she ain’t my mother!
That’s eerily prophetic but ‘mother Org’ would never consider applying it to herself.
 
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