Sunday Talk - My response to the Annual Meeting

JEHOVAH HIMSELF HAS BECOME KING

Chapter 18 – Joel​



“What was left by the caterpillar, the locust has eaten; and what was left by the locust, the creeping, unwinged locust has eaten; and what the creeping, unwinged locust has left, the cockroach has eaten.” -Joel 1:4- Read more> https://jehovah-is-king.com/joel/
Swarming insects can be one of the most devastating natural forces on earth. A flying army of locusts can be as thick as a thundercloud—darkening the sky as they descend upon a ripened field—reducing it to mere stubble in a matter of minutes. In ancient times, and even today, the locust plague is the farmer’s most dreaded natural phenomenon. .

The Bible book of Joel presages not only a locust plague, but also an onslaught by an array of bothersome pests; including the voracious creeping caterpillar, the unwinged locust, and the loathsome cockroach. However, even more disconcerting is that these are not ordinary swarming insects, but are a representation of a mighty contingent of warriors that also resemble lions in their ferocity. The prophecy of Joel foretells that this irresistible military force will sweep the globe and bring devastation to the entire earth! That is no ordinary insect infestation!

The horrific, unstoppable, insect-like assault is a precursor to the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah and initiates the beginning of Judgment Day for the house of God. What, then, does this peculiar insect plague signify? But first, what do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe the locusts of Joel represent?

As far back as the 1930’s, the Watchtower has taught that the pestiferous invaders of Joel represent Jehovah’s Witnesses. Even as recently as 1998, the Watchtower stated:

“The modern-day locust army is none other than the military force of Jehovah’s anointed locusts, now joined by some 5,600,000 of Jesus’ other sheep. Are you not glad to be part of this great throng of Jehovah’s worshipers?”

How does the Watchtower arrive at that conclusion?> Read more> https://jehovah-is-king.com/joel/
 

Until the spirit is poured out on us from above​

As these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near. —Luke 21:28.
At some point, the people whose religions were destroyed may resent the fact that Jehovah’s Witnesses keep practicing their religion. We can only imagine the uproar that this might create, including on social media. The nations and their ruler, Satan, will hate us for having the only surviving religion. They will not have attained their goal to eliminate all religion from the face of the earth. So we will become the center of their attention. At this point, the nations will take on the role of Gog of Magog. They will band together to make a vicious, all-out attack on Jehovah’s people. (Ezek. 38:2, 14-16) It can be somewhat unsettling to think about those possibilities when we cannot be certain of the exact details. However, one thing is sure: We do not need to fear the great tribulation. Jehovah will give us lifesaving instructions. —Ps. 34:19. w19.10 16-17 ¶10-11
Are Jehovah’s Witnesses practicing their religion now? Well, how does one practice the true religion? Primarily it is by preaching the good news and teaching others. Whereas formerly JW’s were quite visible on city streets, cart witnessing or canvassing neighborhoods, now they are nowhere to be seen. Whereas Jehovah’s Witnesses used to regularly gather together at the Kingdom hall and convene at massive annual conventions, now they are shuttered at home watching Zoom.

Most assuredly, there will be nothing from the Watchtower organization that will survive the tribulation. As far as receiving “lifesaving instructions” Jesus has already informed us. When you see the disgusting thing standing where it ought not then flee without delay.

The destruction of Jerusalem is the focus of nearly all prophecies. It was the centerpiece of Jesus’ extensive prophecy regarding the conclusion of the system. What does Jerusalem represent? Bethel’s prophets claim it symbolizes Christendom and even all of Babylon the Great. That interpretation does not hold up to scrutiny.

More aptly, just as Jerusalem was once the city where Jehovah caused his name to reside, Jerusalem represents Christ’s congregation, which presently is under the stewardship of the Watchtower and its theocratic order. But that will not always be the case.

Consider the prophecy of Isaiah. The 32nd chapter opens by introducing us to a king who will reign for righteousness, along with his princes who will for justice. We know that the man Jesus will fulfill that prophecy when he returns from heaven to commence the conclusion of the system. The prophecy goes on to say: “For the fortified tower has been forsaken; the noisy city has been abandoned. Ophel and the watchtower have become a permanent wasteland, a delight for wild donkeys, a pasture for the flocks, until the spirit is poured out on us from above, and the wilderness becomes an orchard, and the orchard is regarded as a forest.” Read more> https://e-watchman.com/until-the-spirit-is-poured-out-on-us-from-above/
Also read>

Questions regarding the holy spirit> https://e-watchman.com/questions-regarding-holy-spirit/

Is the holy spirit a force or a person?> https://e-watchman.com/is-the-holy-spirit-a-force-or-a-person/

 

Does the Light Get Brighter & Brighter?

July 15th, 2007|Page Two


Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that God is directly responsible for gradually enlightening the Watchtower Society over the course of many decades, professedly in fulfillment of numerous prophecies. But is that really the case? This commentary will attempt to shed some light on that question. Typifying the “new light” teaching, the May 15th, 1995, Watchtower carried a two-part study article recounting instances in the history of the Society [...]Read more> https://e-watchman.com/light-get-brighter/
 
Mick, I deleted your Sunday Talk thread as apparently you didn't see that I had already posted it
No brother for some reason some of your latest posts are not available to me!? To access your posts I have to put a search in under your name! Upset I was at the perceived lack of reference to your talk I posted it twice: So glad it got the recognition it deserves brother. Any way Jehovah's will be done!
 
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I was wondering about the whole nuclear war idea. I have heard there is military tech that might be decades if not centuries ahead. Could there be things far more terrifying than nukes & would be just beyond our comprehension?
 
I thought it appropriate to quote a bit more from Isaiah 59:15-16: “Truth has vanished, And anyone who turns away from bad is plundered. Jehovah saw this and was displeased, For there was no justice. He saw that there was no man, And he was astonished that no one interceded, So his own arm brought about salvation, And his own righteousness supported him.”
 
This video made me think of how the ORG has become an idol and so they are speaking from their own thoughts, which shows how flawed their thinking is. Which then led me to consider Moses, when he was on the mountain with Jehovah and his seeming delay caused the people and Aaron to engage in idolatry. I was interested in how Jehovah dealt with them afterward and found some interesting scriptures that I wanted to share that shows that Jehovah refused to any longer have a presence among the people as he had previously when leading them out of Egypt. Moses pitched the first “tent of meeting” outside the camp, at some distance. If they wanted to inquire of Jehovah it had to be outside the camp.

Exodus 33:3-7: “Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey. But I will not go in the midst of you, for you are an obstinate people, and I might exterminate you on the way.” When the people heard this harsh word, they began to mourn, and not one of them put on his ornaments. Jehovah said to Moses: “Say to the Israelites, ‘You are an obstinate people. In one moment I could go through the midst of you and exterminate you. So now keep your ornaments off while I consider what to do to you.’” So from Mount Horʹeb onward, the Israelites refrained from wearing their ornaments. Now Moses took his tent and pitched it outside the camp, at some distance from the camp, and he called it a tent of meeting. Everyone inquiring of Jehovah would go out to the tent of meeting, which was outside the camp.“
 
I was wondering about the whole nuclear war idea. I have heard there is military tech that might be decades if not centuries ahead. Could there be things far more terrifying than nukes & would be just beyond our comprehension?
Nukes are the easiest. North Korea has them. Pakistan and India have them. Israel has nukes. And then all the big players, Russia, USA, UK, France, and China. Did I miss anyone? Oh, probably terrorists have suitcase nukes at the ready. With NATO losing the proxy with Russia in Ukraine, and reports of NATO warplanes launching missiles from over Romania at Crimea, NATO is already directly at war with Russia. And then there is Israel and the Sampson option.

 
Nukes are the easiest. North Korea has them. Pakistan and India have them. Israel has nukes. And then all the big players, Russia, USA, UK, France, and China. Did I miss anyone? Oh, probably terrorists have suitcase nukes at the ready. With NATO losing the proxy with Russia in Ukraine, and reports of NATO warplanes launching missiles from over Romania at Crimea, NATO is already directly at war with Russia.

Its being reported that Afghanistan is in negotiations with North Korea to buy nukes. No doubt with the money given to them by Biden. I should have said its the Taliban not Afghanistan but they are probably synonymous.
 
I thought it appropriate to quote a bit more from Isaiah 59:15-16: “Truth has vanished, And anyone who turns away from bad is plundered. Jehovah saw this and was displeased, For there was no justice. He saw that there was no man, And he was astonished that no one interceded, So his own arm brought about salvation, And his own righteousness supported him.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:9‭-‬13‬ ‭
[9] What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; [10] as it is written: “There is no righteous person, not even one; [11] There is no one who understands, There is no one who seeks out God; [12] They have all turned aside, together they have become corrupt; There is no one who does good, There is not even one.” [13] “Their throat is an open grave, With their tongues they keep deceiving,” “The venom of asps is under their lips”;
[15] “Their feet are swift to shed blood, [16] Destruction and misery are in their paths, [17] And they have not known the way of peace.” [18] “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” [19] Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; [20] because by the works of the Law none of mankind will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes knowledge of sin. [21] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, [22] but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction, [23] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [24] being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, [25] whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in God’s merciful restraint He let the sins previously committed go unpunished; [26] for the demonstration, that is, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. [27] Where then is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. [28] For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
 
but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; ..
I just had to highlight this part of the scripture because it is why we are encouraged to seek Jehovah’s righteousness. That together with repentance and true faith in Jesus’ sacrifice is why we can have hope.
 
This video made me think of how the ORG has become an idol and so they are speaking from their own thoughts, which shows how flawed their thinking is. Which then led me to consider Moses, when he was on the mountain with Jehovah and his seeming delay caused the people and Aaron to engage in idolatry. I was interested in how Jehovah dealt with them afterward and found some interesting scriptures that I wanted to share that shows that Jehovah refused to any longer have a presence among the people as he had previously when leading them out of Egypt. Moses pitched the first “tent of meeting” outside the camp, at some distance. If they wanted to inquire of Jehovah it had to be outside the camp.

Exodus 33:3-7: “Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey. But I will not go in the midst of you, for you are an obstinate people, and I might exterminate you on the way.” When the people heard this harsh word, they began to mourn, and not one of them put on his ornaments. Jehovah said to Moses: “Say to the Israelites, ‘You are an obstinate people. In one moment I could go through the midst of you and exterminate you. So now keep your ornaments off while I consider what to do to you.’” So from Mount Horʹeb onward, the Israelites refrained from wearing their ornaments. Now Moses took his tent and pitched it outside the camp, at some distance from the camp, and he called it a tent of meeting. Everyone inquiring of Jehovah would go out to the tent of meeting, which was outside the camp.“
In fact, I‘m now considering how Jesus is referred to as the Greater Moses although I haven’t found a scripture that specifically uses that term, it is alluded to in quite a few of the Greek scriptures. I just wonder if the delay in Moses coming down from the mountain somehow correlates to the seeming delay of the Master, Jesus, that causes the evil slave to become wicked and an idol. Just wondering.
 
Deutoronomy 18
Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.+ 16 This is in response to what you asked of Jehovah your God in Horʹeb on the day of the assembly*+ when you said, ‘Do not let me hear the voice of Jehovah my God or see this great fire anymore, so that I do not die.’+ 17 Then Jehovah said to me, ‘What they have said is good. 18 I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you,+ and I will put my words in his mouth,+ and he will speak to them all that I command him.+ 19 Indeed, I will require an account from the man who will not listen to my words that he will speak in my name.

‭‭John‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭
[21] And so they asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” And he *said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”
[26] John answered them, saying, “I baptize in water, but among you stands One whom you do not know. [27] It is He who comes after me, of whom I am not worthy even to untie the strap of His sandal.”
[29] The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him, and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! [30] This is He in behalf of whom I said, ‘After me is coming a Man who has proved to be my superior, because He existed before me.’

Exodus 14

30. Thus Jehovah saved Israel on that day from the hand of the Egyptians,+ and Israel saw the Egyptians dead on the seashore. 31 Israel also saw the great power* that Jehovah wielded against the Egyptians, and the people began to fear Jehovah and to put faith in Jehovah and in his servant Moses.

From the beginning when the Angel of Jehovah showed up to Moses, to when Israel entered the promised land, it was Jesus who actively helped them . Moses was just representing Him as Savior.
 
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This video made me think of how the ORG has become an idol and so they are speaking from their own thoughts, which shows how flawed their thinking is. Which then led me to consider Moses, when he was on the mountain with Jehovah and his seeming delay caused the people and Aaron to engage in idolatry. I was interested in how Jehovah dealt with them afterward and found some interesting scriptures that I wanted to share that shows that Jehovah refused to any longer have a presence among the people as he had previously when leading them out of Egypt. Moses pitched the first “tent of meeting” outside the camp, at some distance. If they wanted to inquire of Jehovah it had to be outside the camp.

Exodus 33:3-7: “Go up to a land flowing with milk and honey. But I will not go in the midst of you, for you are an obstinate people, and I might exterminate you on the way.” When the people heard this harsh word, they began to mourn, and not one of them put on his ornaments. Jehovah said to Moses: “Say to the Israelites, ‘You are an obstinate people. In one moment I could go through the midst of you and exterminate you. So now keep your ornaments off while I consider what to do to you.’” So from Mount Horʹeb onward, the Israelites refrained from wearing their ornaments. Now Moses took his tent and pitched it outside the camp, at some distance from the camp, and he called it a tent of meeting. Everyone inquiring of Jehovah would go out to the tent of meeting, which was outside the camp.“
That’s an interesting scripture. You seem to have hit the nail on the head with that one. Anyone wanting the truth today has to go outside of watchtower to get it!! Maybe the scripture is a prophesy also !

I still cannot get over the bare-faced arrogance of that newbie GB Winder, telling us that it’s Jehovah’s fault if the GB get it wrong. They cannot even get it right about beards. Imagine their prayerful discussion about beards. “Jehovah, can we have a beard?“
”Yes!”
“That’s a NO then!”
Seventy years later.
“What about beards then Jehovah?” “I said YES!”
“Oh riiiiight! We definitely heard you say “No!” though. We’ll call it “new light” and that you are just “clarifying” it for us then.”
 
Messaging is important. You're going to have people that take things to the extreme even though it's not a sin against God. There have been brothers that stumbled other brothers saying they are considered disobedient for refusing to shave a beard, wear a mask, get a vaccine. None of those things are a sin against God. That is man stepping out of line and making those judgements. That was also true with them making judgements on certain people not being resurrected, like from the flood (unless they were Nephilim they won't have a resurrection hope). Sodom and Gomorrah is another example, and the Great Tribulation (except for the final part of it). So they finally admitted something good, that's it's ultimately up to Jehovah and it would be dogmatic of us to think certain ones won't be saved. They could of repented of their sins in the final hour of their life and Jehovah would be able to know if it was genuine repentance unlike us. We know this was true with Barabbas, the robber that perished along with Jesus. He repented and put his faith fully into the Kingdom of God in his final hours.

At least these are good positive changes to come about. Can't tell me I'm disobedient for having a beard but you can if I refuse wearing a mask or taking a vaccine? Those are basically the same things in regards to not being sins but for whatever reason signs of disobedience. Now that wearing a beard is okay, I never want to be able to hear that a mask is required. It's not scriptural and you're not committing a sin. So overly sensitive people, get over it. It's not my fault that you fell for the Wild Beasts fear mongering tactics and turned into a coward to stop approaching people in person. And now we see the consequences of it. They are begging people to come attend the kingdom hall and not to always be attending on Zoom. Now some of these people are psychologically traumatized about being in a crowd.
 
some interesting scriptures that I wanted to share that shows that Jehovah refused to any longer have a presence among the people as he had previously
Interesting you say this, my sister who is very much pimi recently told me that the meetings & field service just don't "feel" the same anymore something has changed. I do believe Jehovah's holy spirit is no longer in their midst, of course I don't know for sure but very interesting scriptures you've shared.
 

Food for thought​

2 Corinthians6:​

14 Do not become unevenly yoked* with unbelievers.+ For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have?+ Or what sharing does light have with darkness?+ 15 Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Beʹli·al?*+ Or what portion+ does a faithful* person have with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement does God’s temple* have with idols?+ For we are a temple+ of a living God; just as God said: “I shall reside among them+ and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.”+ 17 “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah,* ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”;+ “‘and I will take YOU in.’”+ 18 “‘And I shall be a father to YOU,+ and YOU will be sons and daughters to me,’+ says Jehovah* the Almighty.”+

BELIAL

(Beʹli·al) [from Heb., meaning “Good for Nothing”; a compound of beliʹ, “not, without,” and ya·ʽalʹ, “be of benefit; be beneficial”].

The quality or state of being useless, base, good for nothing. The Hebrew term beli·yaʹʽal is applied to ideas, words, and counsel (De 15:9; Ps 101:3; Na 1:11), to calamitous circumstances (Ps 41:8), and most frequently, to good-for-nothing men of the lowest sort—for example, men who would induce worship of other gods (De 13:13); those of Benjamin who committed the sex crime at Gibeah (Jg 19:22-27; 20:13); the wicked sons of Eli (1Sa 2:12); insolent Nabal (1Sa 25:17, 25); opposers of God’s anointed, David (2Sa 20:1; 22:5; 23:6; Ps 18:4); Jeroboam’s worthless associates (2Ch 13:7); Jezebel’s conspirators against Naboth (1Ki 21:10, 13); and men in general who stir up contention (Pr 6:12-14; 16:27; 19:28). Indicating that the enemy power would no longer interfere with the carrying out of true worship by his people in their land, Jehovah declared through his prophet: “No more will any good-for-nothing person pass again through you. In his entirety he will certainly be cut off.”—Na 1:15; see also 1Sa 1:16; 10:27; 30:22; Job 34:18.

By the time Bible writing resumed in the first century, “Belial” was used as a name for Satan. So when Paul wrote at 2 Corinthians 6:15 in his series of parallel contrasts, “What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?” the conclusion usually drawn is that “Belial” is Satan. The Syriac Peshitta here reads “Satan.”> https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000624

Matthew23:​

23 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples,+ saying: 2 “The​

[Watchtower] scribes+ and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses.+ 3 Therefore all the things they tell+ YOU, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds,+ for they say but do not perform. 4 They bind up heavy loads and put them upon the shoulders of men,+ but they themselves are not willing to budge them with their finger.+

 
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Messaging is important. You're going to have people that take things to the extreme even though it's not a sin against God. There have been brothers that stumbled other brothers saying they are considered disobedient for refusing to shave a beard, wear a mask, get a vaccine. None of those things are a sin against God. That is man stepping out of line and making those judgements. That was also true with them making judgements on certain people not being resurrected, like from the flood (unless they were Nephilim they won't have a resurrection hope). Sodom and Gomorrah is another example, and the Great Tribulation (except for the final part of it). So they finally admitted something good, that's it's ultimately up to Jehovah and it would be dogmatic of us to think certain ones won't be saved. They could of repented of their sins in the final hour of their life and Jehovah would be able to know if it was genuine repentance unlike us. We know this was true with Barabbas, the robber that perished along with Jesus. He repented and put his faith fully into the Kingdom of God in his final hours.

At least these are good positive changes to come about. Can't tell me I'm disobedient for having a beard but you can if I refuse wearing a mask or taking a vaccine? Those are basically the same things in regards to not being sins but for whatever reason signs of disobedience. Now that wearing a beard is okay, I never want to be able to hear that a mask is required. It's not scriptural and you're not committing a sin. So overly sensitive people, get over it. It's not my fault that you fell for the Wild Beasts fear mongering tactics and turned into a coward to stop approaching people in person. And now we see the consequences of it. They are begging people to come attend the kingdom hall and not to always be attending on Zoom. Now some of these people are psychologically traumatized about being in a crowd.
The issue with watchtower is that no one, not even the GB, know what truth is. They know of it, but rely on their own understanding. At least, that is the only way I can rationalise my own adherence to watchtower in the past. How else are we supposed to look back on our blindness and yet at the same time, like the GB, say we ‘understood’ the truth?

As you note, the sensitivities of people play host to doubt and disagreement, rebellion and discontent, yet how can such be possible when the truth demands “understanding”? Wisdom is something else and which is why the bible tells us that we should obtain wisdom, but along with it, upstanding - it’s correct application in other words. There are plenty of “wise old fools“ around.

The plausibility of wisdom (some may say an “artificial truth” in the same vein that “artificial intelligence” is learning without reasoning in its application) is what attracts the searcher, but it’s application, without the necessary understanding by those that wield it, or come to live by it, disguises it as being dressed up as truth. It becomes “their truth”, just as we witness in the congregations today. A blindness, a facsimile of truth.

There can be no “adjustment” to truth. It either is, or is not, truth. Watchtower‘s sleight of hand in suggesting that there is room “for adjustment” (in truth) is played out with superficial ”reasoning” on such frippery as “beards”, but the principle, the deceit, is that such weak principles in “understanding” that they apply to a beard, can also be applied by them to “what is written”. Truth, rather than simple preference in something so superficial as grooming, cannot be gainsaid or ‘adjusted’ to mean something else. It is perfect in its understanding from its very utterance and stands for all time. I have to say that in watching brother Lett give his talk on beards, he appears to have perfected the pinnacle of insincerity in his gestures and facial mimicking of concern. Who could possible reason at this time of war and slaughter and decline taking hold on all of us, that the “one true religion” is up-fronting their witnessing with prime discussion on the wearing of beards? It beggars belief.
 
Nukes are the easiest. North Korea has them. Pakistan and India have them. Israel has nukes. And then all the big players, Russia, USA, UK, France, and China. Did I miss anyone? Oh, probably terrorists have suitcase nukes at the ready. With NATO losing the proxy with Russia in Ukraine, and reports of NATO warplanes launching missiles from over Romania at Crimea, NATO is already directly at war with Russia. And then there is Israel and the Sampson option.

2nd Amendment rights! America!!!!!!!!!!!!

This video does have some rough language but it is funny.
 
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