Sunday Talk - The Devil has come down to you!

Yes it does seem like a painful ”week by week, inch by inch” and yet one morning we will wake up to the Great Tribulation and there will be no debate on what it is. I don‘t know if anyone has mentioned the newest gain of function abomination, Disease X. In humanized mice it has a 100% fatality rate because of the ACE2 receptor that is in humans. Only the spirit realm can inspire humans to pursue their own destruction. I am very thankful that Jehovah has given us a reliable guide via his word, the example of faithful ones both present and past.

Job 28:27-28: “Then he saw wisdom and explained it; He established and tested it. And he said to man:‘Look! The fear of Jehovah—that is wisdom, And to turn away from bad is understanding.’”

Hopefully I can remember that the horsemen of the apocalypse represent man-made disasters. That’s a good point.

For any who are interested in “Disease X” here is a video. No doubt they will have a vaccine only for those who submit to the beast. The video is 10 minutes but probably stuff we already know. One thing it mentions is that even Queen Eliz said there are “powers at work…about which we have no knowledge”! Could it be Satan? Yeah!

 
Hopefully I can remember that the horsemen of the apocalypse represent man-made disasters. That’s a good point.
Yes, I’ve thought for some time now that the horseman of the apocalypse represents man made disasters. When the pandemic started that’s when I really started looking into those verses pertaining to all these disasters and concluded they could only be man made.

I asked myself….since these things have always been around why would it intensify in the end? Then when you look at all the means man is destroying the environment, food, water….drugs people take especially vaccines are destroying most people’s health.
It makes sense that Jehovah saw in advance how man would go to great lengths and inspired by Satan, for these disasters to come about.

I too am thankful to Jehovah for giving us his word to be guided by knowing the example his faithful servants left for us to follow and stand firm for our God.
 
Everyone needs to meditate on the resurrection hope in order to cope with the carnage that's coming up. Imagine how loving it is for Jehovah to allow them to die that way and get a second chance to learn the truth in an earth with no deceit, whereas they would have died at Armageddon if they had lived.....we need to look at the bigger picture. Same with those who are killed for not taking the mark of the beast...
 
I wanted to revive this video for those who are newer to the forum in case they haven’t listened to it. There is so much information to consider and one point that stands out to me this morning is at about 30 minutes into the video that talks about how Revelation shows that the 1/4th of mankind that are killed in the Great Tribulation are in the grave and they can be resurrected. Those who accept the mark of the beast in the future will die without any hope of resurrection. This proves that the beast has not only not been revived, it hasn’t even gone into the abyss yet and so this is further proof that 1914 is a fraud. Good to listen to it again.
 
Now I have a new thought about Jesus’ enthronement. Is Jesus enthroned before the anointed are sealed? And, I’m not sure I understand the significance of the marriage of the lamb. There is a Watchtower article that makes the point that after a marriage, the wife is taken into the home of the groom. So, would that not apply to the heavenly home of the anointed? Does the marriage of the lamb take place before or after Armageddon?

I believe that we should focus on Jesus’ 2nd coming because of its importance to the the fulfillment of Jehovah’s purposes and promises. I guess I think the subject of Jesus enthronement is a misdirection to obscure his coming which will be when he seals the chosen ones and yet there must be significance to his enthronement. I’m just fuzzy on the sequence of events regarding the marriage of the lamb and Jesus’ enthronement. I would think since we already know he has co-rulers that he wouldn’t be enthroned until they were all sealed and ready to go with him. But I don’t know.
 
Does the marriage of the lamb take place before or after Armageddon?
According to the WT, the wedding of the Lamb is before Armageddon, the reason being: How can there be a wedding when the bride is not yet complete and they are supposed to join in the destruction at Armageddon. But now, reading with different eyes, chapters 19 and 20 of Revelation after your comment, you might be right that it is AFTER Armageddon, since the first resurrection is mentioned in chapter 20, after Satan has been bound and imprisoned for 1000 years. Intriguing
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Now I have a new thought about Jesus’ enthronement. Is Jesus enthroned before the anointed are sealed? And, I’m not sure I understand the significance of the marriage of the lamb. There is a Watchtower article that makes the point that after a marriage, the wife is taken into the home of the groom. So, would that not apply to the heavenly home of the anointed? Does the marriage of the lamb take place before or after Armageddon?

I believe that we should focus on Jesus’ 2nd coming because of its importance to the the fulfillment of Jehovah’s purposes and promises. I guess I think the subject of Jesus enthronement is a misdirection to obscure his coming which will be when he seals the chosen ones and yet there must be significance to his enthronement. I’m just fuzzy on the sequence of events regarding the marriage of the lamb and Jesus’ enthronement. I would think since we already know he has co-rulers that he wouldn’t be enthroned until they were all sealed and ready to go with him. But I don’t know.
Cual es la secuencia que te produce controversia? Cita los textos bíblicos porfavor. Yo diferencia entre el sellamiento por un lado y las bodas por otro. De todas formas Apocalipsis es un libro que no sigue siempre una linea del tiempo continuada, avanza y luego retrocede pues hay que unir dos lugares que no comparten el mismo tiempo, que son el cielo y la tierra dentro de la misma descripción. A veces parece que se suceden dos veces el mismo acontecimiento, pero lo que hace es describirlo desde la perspectiva celestial por un lado y la perspectiva terrenal. Es un libro por decirlo de alguna manera, con una mirada completa, de los dos mundos.
 
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Cual es la secuencia que te produce controversia? Cita los textos bíblicos porfavor. Yo diferencia entre el sellamiento por un lado y las bodas por otro. De todas formas Apocalipsis es un libro que no sigue siempre una linea del tiempo continuada, avanza y luego retrocede pues hay que unir dos lugares que no comparten el mismo tiempo, que son el cielo y la tierra dentro de la misma descripción. A veces parece que se suceden dos veces el mismo acontecimiento, pero lo que hace es describirlo desde la perspectiva celestial por un lado y la perspectiva terrenal. Es un libro por decirlo de alguna manera, con una mirada completa, de los dos mundos.
Translation:
What is the sequence that causes controversy for you? Cite the biblical texts please. I differentiate between sealing on the one hand and weddings on the other. In any case, Revelation is a book that does not always follow a continuous timeline, it advances and then goes back because it is necessary to unite two places that do not share the same time, which are heaven and earth within the same description. Sometimes it seems that the same event happens twice, but what it does is describe it from the heavenly perspective on the one hand and the earthly perspective. It is a book, so to speak, with a complete look at both worlds.
 
Translation:
What is the sequence that causes controversy for you? Cite the biblical texts please. I differentiate between sealing on the one hand and weddings on the other. In any case, Revelation is a book that does not always follow a continuous timeline, it advances and then goes back because it is necessary to unite two places that do not share the same time, which are heaven and earth within the same description. Sometimes it seems that the same event happens twice, but what it does is describe it from the heavenly perspective on the one hand and the earthly perspective. It is a book, so to speak, with a complete look at both worlds.
You have a point. Sealing is not a marriage. It is a confirmation in a certain role, a finality or a conclusion in reaching a defined standard of a pre-arranged outcome. The issue though is more complex because some may not be chosen, though invited. Therefore the analogy with a marriage fails, because it is inconclusive until tested. Marriage necessitates an agreed oath of fidelity, faithfulness and an unbreakable bond, except by death or adultery, both of which would not in this case, be relevant for the very reason that both the test of faithfulness and the reward are simultaneous “in the blink of an eye”. Yes those circumstances cannot come about until Christ has taken up his kingdom. Then there is a marriage; then the bride comes to the “house” of the man she is to marry. Therefore, what is the house if not the kingdom one may ask, and the groom not the master of that house? Does ruling with Christ as kings, negate the position of Christ as the “groom”? Does the wife usurp the authority of the husband, no, yet the equality spoken of exists between the two does not? I’m not claiming it’s a valid solution, just a thought!
 
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