The Daily Telegraph- June 18, 2022 Story on Jw's CSA problem.

Sunshower

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I saw that part- David Splane said that juries are biased- completely impugning the judicial system. So that’s why they settle out of court for millions? Because “newspaper editors” don’t like JWs? The way he was taking too- like he was addressing 90 year olds back in the late ‘70s.

He also said that parties on both sides had an interest in settling because neither party wants the facts publicized. huh??

It was the 2021 convention that he said all that inane garbage.

i'm really, really hoping that the Hines case is publicly adjudicated through the entire civil litigation system. It will show the true colors of one Gerrit Lösch.
At the time we heard that, my husband and I looked at each other with a “what the heck is this about” look. Seriously, what happened to “It is only right for me to think this regarding all of you, since I have you in my heart, you who are sharers with me in the undeserved kindness both in my prison bonds and in the defending and legally establishing of the good news.”

Only this isn’t about the good news, is it?! They don’t want the gory details of what they’ve been hiding known. And one thing about settlements is that you agree that the case is done after payout. Isn’t that swell? I bet one of the conditions is that victims are never allowed to talk to the press.
 

SpicySpice

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Davis ExSplaneD that they don’t want trials with a jury because a jury doesn’t know all the facts
It's crazy bc the point of a trial is to lay out all the facts found after an investigation, and let the accused respond. They talk so much about being fair judges, imitating Jehovah's perfect justice, honesty and integrity but they don't seem to want justice at all, not for others at least.
 

SpicySpice

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@Sunshower

I saw that part- David Splane said that juries are biased- completely impugning the judicial system. So that’s why they settle out of court for millions? Because “newspaper editors” don’t like JWs? The way he was taking too- like he was addressing 90 year olds back in the late ‘70s.

He also said that parties on both sides had an interest in settling because neither party wants the facts publicized. huh??

It was the 2021 convention that he said all that inane garbage.

i'm really, really hoping that the Hines case is publicly adjudicated through the entire civil litigation system. It will show the true colors of one Gerrit Lösch.
The same convention where they warned about dangerous apostate lies, kind of implying that any negative thing said about WT is automatically a lie?
 

Ms_ladyblue

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It's crazy bc the point of a trial is to lay out all the facts found after an investigation, and let the accused respond. They talk so much about being fair judges, imitating Jehovah's perfect justice, honesty and integrity but they don't seem to want justice at all, not for others at least.
@SpicySpice

Since they claim to be part of the 144,000, could you imagine them judging us as to whether we get life or die forever??? I can’t even imagine Jehovah allowing such a thing!

Besides, the time is coming real soon for the judgement to begin. 1 Peter 4:17 “For it is the appointed time for the judgement to start with the house of God. Now if it starts first with us, what will the outcome be for those who are not obedient to the good news of God?”
 

יהוה_saves

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The same convention where they warned about dangerous apostate lies, kind of implying that any negative thing said about WT is automatically a lie?
Lol yup. How do they even put something like that on their forum? It’s embarrassing at the very least. To treat someone like that just shows that there is no love in this organization. Zilch. Just arrogance and haughtiness.

@Ms_ladyblue that’s a very good point about them being in a position of judging others. Can you even imagine? I can’t even let my thoughts go there it’s just that repulsive. Revolting, really.
 

SpicySpice

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I believe so. it’s pretty recent, i know that. Did you see where she said it took her an hour and a half to get to the kh, one way? Oh, and she has to make sure to make cookies for them too.
i can’t.
Oh my gosh I know I was seriously begging for a fly to land in my mouth bc I'm sure it was hanging open at that point. The sisters attitude seemed so callous too, like yeah she had to ride the train from hell through crime ridden neighborhoods and she can barely see but she needed to make that effort, I live 5 min from the KH she lives 30 so...

I mean what the? Forced the poor woman to fumble her way through bad neighborhoods, constantly "remind" her that pants are a no-no, and force her to bake cookies for a bunch of people who could have just been nice to her without the cookies? That was a roller coaster 😂
 

יהוה_saves

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@SpicySpice

yeah and all to prove her worthiness to the org. How disgusting is that. such self-immolating garbage. I couldn’t hardly get through that five minute video without feeling physically sick at every turn. and this is what passes for food at the proper time, imagine that.

There is nothing good in this org/GB- not a single shred of decency remaining. Jehovah has abundantly shown us the deep corruption and darkness that prevails within it- the only thing left is its imminent collapse and destruction.
 

Sunshower

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Oh my gosh I know I was seriously begging for a fly to land in my mouth bc I'm sure it was hanging open at that point. The sisters attitude seemed so callous too, like yeah she had to ride the train from hell through crime ridden neighborhoods and she can barely see but she needed to make that effort, I live 5 min from the KH she lives 30 so...

I mean what the? Forced the poor woman to fumble her way through bad neighborhoods, constantly "remind" her that pants are a no-no, and force her to bake cookies for a bunch of people who could have just been nice to her without the cookies? That was a roller coaster 😂
I would tell them to stuff their cookies and their skirts where the sun don’t shine, but I’m still working on humility 🤣🤣
 

Paz

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Hi CyndiaS, Sadly that this judicial committee and the elders involved followed instructions from the GB that violated Christs command to ‘ give ‘Caesars thing to Caesar’ since child abuse policy is within Caesars realm of responsibility only, that ultermaly has been given responsibility by Jehovah himself till Jehovah calls time at Armageddon. These elders should have been trained to keep to pastoral matters within the congregation only & not to trespass onto Caesars domain. The moment any violation of Caesars law occurs with member or members of a congregation the elders should not get involved they should immediately refer such persons to Caesars law enforcement officers. Paz

yes I entirely agree , they have also said that a person who has a divorce in Caesars eyes may be not scripturally divorced. This also encourages elders to act as if they are above ceasars law but Christ makes it perfectly clear they are pastoral offices not within ceasars realm. That giving Caesars things to Caesar is also giving Christs things to Christ. Another example is theft, a thief should not be dwelt with by elders they should refer the individual to ceasar . Encourage them to go to law enforcement officers and confess . If a congregation member refuses then they can use congregation restrictions apron the member. Ie . Pioneer restrictions or publisher restrictions etc. pastoral disapline. Not Disfellowship that is an apostate teaching Along with the emotional torture applied by shunning (anybody).
 
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Chloe

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Yes because this offence is not just a sin, its a crime. The authorities have systems in place to deal with this. I remember saying this in the watchtower study on child abuse. Two elders immediately stepped in and said ‘yes of course but the best way to do this is ring the branch, they will advise on the way forward. ….That’s where all the problems begin.
 

יהוה_saves

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Yes because this offence is not just a sin, its a crime. The authorities have systems in place to deal with this. I remember saying this in the watchtower study on child abuse. Two elders immediately stepped in and said ‘yes of course but the best way to do this is ring the branch, they will advise on the way forward. ….That’s where all the problems begin.
wow. you know, if they (the organization) had just done the right thing from the beginning and say- hey we aren’t qualified to evaluate or investigate these criminal accusations- then they could have nipped it in the bud.

it would be no different than if a brother had committed armed robbery or burglury or a homicide, all felonies should immediately be reported to the police, shouldn’t they?

If a brother stole my car, and he drove it to the meeting and it was sitting in the parking lot, I’d report such a crime immediately. The elders reprove him or disfellow him yet he gets to keep my car? No.
 

CyndiaS

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Oh my gosh I know I was seriously begging for a fly to land in my mouth bc I'm sure it was hanging open at that point. The sisters attitude seemed so callous too, like yeah she had to ride the train from hell through crime ridden neighborhoods and she can barely see but she needed to make that effort, I live 5 min from the KH she lives 30 so...

I mean what the? Forced the poor woman to fumble her way through bad neighborhoods, constantly "remind" her that pants are a no-no, and force her to bake cookies for a bunch of people who could have just been nice to her without the cookies? That was a roller coaster 😂
Yes! It was nuts: she had to take 1 bus, 2 trains, 1.5 hrs each way in a violent, gang/crime infested area, when she can barely see and is deaf?!?! Wut the fudge? 🤦🙃 😡😵😡 😩 🤡
 

יהוה_saves

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Yes! It was nuts: she had to take 1 bus, 2 trains, 1.5 hrs each way in a violent, gang/crime infested area, when she can barely see and is deaf?!?! Wut the fudge? 🤦🙃 😡😵😡 😩 🤡
on top of that, she’s expected to make cookies for everyone. As if, as @SpicySpice aptly pointed out, people, on their own, can’t draw to her unless she makes them cookies.

What happens to these relationships if she stops making cookies?

The entire video is OFFENSIVE to the eyeball(s), ear canal(s) and nostril(s).
 

CyndiaS

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on top of that, she’s expected to make cookies for everyone. As if, as @SpicySpice aptly pointed out, people, on their own, can’t draw to her unless she makes them cookies.

What happens to these relationships if she stops making cookies?

The entire video is OFFENSIVE to the eyeball(s), ear canal(s) and nostril(s).
Agreed!
 

Ms_ladyblue

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wow. you know, if they (the organization) had just done the right thing from the beginning and say- hey we aren’t qualified to evaluate or investigate these criminal accusations- then they could have nipped it in the bud.

it would be no different than if a brother had committed armed robbery or burglury or a homicide, all felonies should immediately be reported to the police, shouldn’t they?

If a brother stole my car, and he drove it to the meeting and it was sitting in the parking lot, I’d report such a crime immediately. The elders reprove him or disfellow him yet he gets to keep my car? No.
Aren’t we suppose to report felonies to the police? Isn’t that one of those things that we pay back to Caesar? If so, wouldn’t that be a command from God they’ve overstepped?

I‘m just wondering….because by them taking serious matters such as this into their own hands,they’ve done so to protect wickedness and the innocent are oppressed and scarred for life.

As far as their made up two witness rule for something as serious as this, Deuteronomy 22:25-27 reads - 25 “If, however, the man happened to meet the engaged girl in the field and the man overpowered her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her is to die himself, 26 and you must do nothing to the girl. The girl has not committed a sin deserving of death. This case is the same as when a man attacks his fellow man and murders him. 27 For he happened to meet her in the field, and the engaged girl screamed, but there no one to rescue her.”

Were there any other witnesses to this offense?
 
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